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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 8:35:42 PM

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How interesting that the last line of my post was completely ignored. In reading the article you linked the statement that "90% of blacks are voting for Obama mainly because he is black" was part of an email sent in by a reader! There has been no poll of black voters to find out who they are voting for and why. The writer of the column then did a brief poll of her own and 3 of 4 people she asked are voting for Obama, but state it is due to his policies, not the color of his skin.

Also, the title of your thread is "Obama wins because of racism!". I pointed out that even if 90% of blacks voted for him, there would still be an automatic 4 to 1 vote against him due to racist whites. That means the election will be decided by those non-racist whites and other minorities who will vote based on his abilities, not the color of his skin. I don't know why you are arguing that racism will play a part in Obama's win (because you obviously don't have the science to back it up), unless it's because you can't stand to imagine that a black man might be the superior candidate. Now THAT's racism!

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 8:37:23 PM

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African Americans make up about 12% of the total population, so if 90% vote for Obama because he is black, you have 1% of the population voting for him. Whites make up about 68% of the population, so if 6% won't vote for Obama because he is black, that is 4% of the population who won't vote for him because he is black. That's still 3 to 1. Besides, the quote states they are voting for him "mainly because he's black" is that a fact or an inference?

I'm afraid your numbers are off. 90% of 12% is 10.8%, and 6% of 68% is actually 4%. Therefore, again assuming the stats are correct, just shy of 11% of the population will vote for Obama because he is black, and 4% will vote against him because he is black.

hmmmm you're right. OK don't let TN do the math next time.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 9:05:34 PM

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Question:

The man is half white,does that count?

I`ve noticed over my life time that someone who has a mixed race background is usually all ways thought of as the black.Usually never as white or part white.

Barack is as much a white man as he is a black man,yet he`s thought of as a black man.Cons go even farther by calling him an Arab,not one of us,"that one " and worse.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 9:20:33 PM

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I still want to know what other words ,if any,cycled thru that sweet old white lady's mind ...before she settled on Arab...

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 9:31:09 PM

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Yes Mike,

There are millions of victims like her who`ve been mis-lead.

McCain has legitimized every dirty character assignation made against Obama,wittingly or un-wittingly.

Shame on him and his goons.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 9:59:27 PM

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Therefore, again assuming the stats are correct, just shy of 11% of the population will vote for Obama because he is black, and 4% will vote against him because he is black.

If it is racist to let a candidate's race be the deciding factor in how you vote, then given those percentages there are more black racists in this country than white ones. Accordingly, therefore, to the extent that racism influences the election, it will favor Obama. On the other hand, of course, if it is not racist to let a candidate's race be the deciding factor in how you vote, then racism will not affect the outcome of the election one way or the other.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 10:41:59 PM

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The math gets a lot more complicated than what we have so far. First off, seniors vote in the highest percentages, and whites have a longer life expectancy. Then we have the much higher rates of blacks either incarcerated, or on parole and ineligible to vote.

If anybody wants to try and factor those in...

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 11:02:41 PM

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no no ..after you....go right ahead..

I`m starting to understand all the fuss about ACORN`s registering of millions of voters.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/14/2008 11:48:40 PM

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no no ..after you....go right ahead..

I`m starting to understand all the fuss about ACORN`s registering of millions of voters.

Only now starting to get it? This has been GOP strategy since Obama became the clear nominee. They know he is an admirer of Harold Washington, who became mayor of Chicago through a very efffective voter registration drive and get out the vote effort, and that he ran a voter registration drive that got Carol Moseley Braun elected to the Senate. They knew his organization was going to register lots of new voters. The GOP's only hope was to suppress as many as possible.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 3:19:46 AM

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The blacks in this country have been bought and paid for by the democrats and that's just a fact of life.

FACT of life? Well then .. where the hell is my factual check?

Hey...good news!!..Your check will be in the mail next January...I guess your not familiar with Obama's plan and didn't know that was part of the platform.

I know you guys think Fox is a horrible propaganda voice of the republican party, but all they are doing is quoting Obama's plan..Unless you can show where they are incorrect, I think what they say stands.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=196103

So let me get this straight....you assume that Soulpiercer and i aren't tax paying citizens of this country? (according to your little clip, you must) Do you also assume blacks in general don't pay taxes? And you assume to know what SP and i think of Fox news? You do alot of assuming.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 5:47:46 AM

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I think the actual point is being missed by many i think it is interesting that in general we never assume the other side of the coin. We assume that whites are racists and everyone else arent i think thats the main pointto be taken from this. It is interesting that so few people mention the other side whether its in politics or employment or whatever it is almost bigoted to assume that only white people can be racist yet it is something so many of us seem to think.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 5:57:23 AM

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Of course there is an exception here and there, and I see no sense in taking offense if you are an exception. Obama is promising to raise taxes on who he calls "the wealthy" in order to buy votes from the masses. If you are among those who Obama is trying to drive offshore this way then you are indeed among the very wealthy job providers who Obama is threatening, and not among those who he is buying...

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:00:08 AM

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Fast reply ~ I'm not sure what the point of this thread is: is it some frustrated white person stomping his foot because he feels the black citizens of this country are voting for the wrong reasons? It's amazing that MadRabbit has spoken to each and every single voter in the United States of America and that he knows what their voting motivations are. Frankly, it's nobody's fucking business what leads to an individual's voting decision, but I will say this: there is a difference between voting for someone, and voting against someone, and whilst MadRabbit stomps in indignation because people will vote for Obama, many white voters will be voting against Obama because of his skin colour. This election is a good thing: get over it.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:08:42 AM

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If we elect a black man because he's a black man, that's a slap in the face. If we elect him because he's the better candidate, then that's a real achievement. A lot of white people are voting for Obama just because he's black... what else is there. He has no real record to run on, and everything he's touched - from his work for ACORN as a Community Organizer to his twenty years at Trinity Church, etc., - has turned to shit.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:24:31 AM

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And what makes you so sure it's only his skin colour that will get him elected? The level of whining by those that are fearful of change is reaching surrealistic proportions.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:28:07 AM

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did anyone hear on the radio the street poll Howard Stern conducted yesterday on a street in NY? he polled 6 to 10 black citizens on the street.

They were asked 3 questions:
1)Are you voting for Obama?
2)Do you agree with his pro life beliefs?
3)Are you ok with his running mate, Sarah Palin?

each citizen gave the same answer to each question:
1)yes, i am voting for Obama
2)yes, i am pro life as well
3)yes, she will make a great VP

now he did this as a joke, but it does prove that some not all people are voting because of race, popularity or some unknown reason!

ha!

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:30:08 AM

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Newsflash! People vote for intelligent reasons, people vote for stupid reasons, people don't vote for no reasons whatsoever. Not everyone is as perfect, informed and impartial as you

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:31:05 AM

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well that ends our discussion then

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:38:04 AM

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his work for ACORN as a Community Organizer

Masking up your own facts again I see.

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RE: Obama Wins Because of Racism?! - 10/15/2008 6:51:23 AM

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Well, if it was conducted by Howard Stern***

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