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hereyesruponyou -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/19/2008 6:33:53 PM)
This thread at first brought on all the typical reminders of times i thought i was stupid for going along with someone's lies even when i knew they were so much more than improbable. But then it reminded me of a time even before that whe i was just starting to date in the vanilla world. To set the stage, i had met my first real love at 17 and we were married when i was 20, had a child at 25. When i was 32 he was diagnosed with End Stage Renal Disease, went on dialysis and passed away when i was 34. So my first dating as an adult occurred a few years later. To say i was ripe for the taking is an understatement. I met this awesome guy who swept me away. He wrote like a romance novelist, a true wooing type of person. 2 hours away meant alot of online and phone contact. But when we got together it was the perfect date weekend. We kept things going for a few months, but always with these little things niggling at the back of my mind. If i questioned him, he had the best answers for anything. Eventually i just couldn;t take it and set up a profile of his "perfect person" and contacted him. Sure enough he started talking to this woman and wooing her in the same way. I let this go on for a few weeks, really letting him dig himself in deep and not confronting him until he was forced to choose who to see one weekend and chose me. I was so psyched to confront him and throw all these things in his face. His reaction? Ok I'm a dog, i admit it, but look what you've done to prove it??? In the end we laughed about both being stupid, had a little fun and moved on. Stayed friends kinda for a bit online, wishing each other well. Now how does this apply to the thread? Well i have to say i learned more from this experience about myself than i maybe wanted to know. I found out i was good at being vindictive. Wow what a great trait to have. I could set a trap and catch a liar. Awesome for me. It really made me take a look more at who i wanted to be rather than who i was at the time. It shaped who i am now, someone who doesn't abide liars, but who does not need to sink to their level to "show them up." I hope it made me a better person. Forgiving yourself is often the hardest part.

Padriag -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/19/2008 6:52:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2 One of the biggest questions many of us are left with, is why? Why would somebody be so less then honest? What could be the possible motivations behind such behavior. Truth and lies. Game playing and lessons learned and how does this fit into D/s or BDSM relationships. To be perfectly honest, I could care less why they did it unless knowing in some way helps me avoid such people in the future. I'm not the least bit interested in empathizing with them, understanding them, fixing them, or allowing them to further impact my life, happiness or judgement. About the only thing I would be interested in, if it were possible, would be inflicting a harsh consequence on them for their actions. But given the nature of the internet, I'll settle for block/delete/ignore. That's about all the effort on my part such individuals warrant.

WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/19/2008 7:24:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2 One of the biggest questions many of us are left with, is why? Why would somebody be so less then honest? What could be the possible motivations behind such behavior. Truth and lies. Game playing and lessons learned and how does this fit into D/s or BDSM relationships. To be perfectly honest, I could care less why they did it unless knowing in some way helps me avoid such people in the future. I'm not the least bit interested in empathizing with them, understanding them, fixing them, or allowing them to further impact my life, happiness or judgement. About the only thing I would be interested in, if it were possible, would be inflicting a harsh consequence on them for their actions. But given the nature of the internet, I'll settle for block/delete/ignore. That's about all the effort on my part such individuals warrant. Trust me, I understand where you are coming from. I recently feed a liar game player a little attention on this site. The bottom line is that they lied or did not get the truth straight. The downside was that their lies actually caused more of a problem at the time. I could care less as to why they lied. They actually are not part of my life, I'm not involved with them and I'm just ingorning their bullshit now. In fact, I've not even wasting my time with anything they have to say. One of the facets I was expressing here, is what if you were involved with somebody for a matter of months and they were less then honest with you. Where you had already made an emotional connection and placed an investment of yourself into, then what? Is it so easy to, block, ignore and delete such a person from your life without asking the question why first? Sure you can always shoot and ask questions later, or just shoot and never ask questions. How many people ask questions first before simply shooting somebody? This is the context and nature of my thread in many regards. I tend to stay clear of somebody who is obviously playing games early on in the stages of getting to know them. It's really easy to ingore, block and delete somebody at that stage.

Padriag -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/19/2008 8:02:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2 One of the facets I was expressing here, is what if you were involved with somebody for a matter of months and they were less then honest with you. Where you had already made an emotional connection and placed an investment of yourself into, then what? Is it so easy to, block, ignore and delete such a person from your life without asking the question why first? Knew a gal for two years online... finally we meet, we get involved... an then I find out all the things she had been less than honest about.... like the fact she couldn't really play violin... her talent at singing was debateable... her literary talent wasn't as advertised... and despite finding out she had formerly been a prostitute, she wasn't all that great in bed and had almost no talent for giving a blow job. I had to teach her to cook & clean house neither of which she was particularly good at. Then there were her fantasies and obsessions about being degraded and humiliated in distinctly unhealthy ways... There's more but you get the point. I tried for about six months to sort things out in the middle of one of the most stressful times of my life... and admittedly in part because I was too stressed out otherwise to really deal with the situation... so I ignored it, used her and six months later kicked her out. And no... I didn't ask why. I know her well enough I probably can guess why... I just don't care. With the speed she moved in with someone else, apparently she didn't care either. The whole situation sucks... and what's worse its not an isolated case... I've been fooled before and its entirely possible it could happen again. But I've realized that a big part of why I was fooled was because I was seeing what I wanted to see, rather than what was there. So I've become meaner, more aggressive, more of an asshole (not that I was a saint to begin with, but for the most part I've always been a "nice guy")... but its really about trying to cut out the emotional crap that blinds me to the truth... so I don't get fooled again. You asked a question... why did they do this? Maybe the better question is... why did you believe them?

WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/19/2008 9:08:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2 One of the facets I was expressing here, is what if you were involved with somebody for a matter of months and they were less then honest with you. Where you had already made an emotional connection and placed an investment of yourself into, then what? Is it so easy to, block, ignore and delete such a person from your life without asking the question why first? Knew a gal for two years online... finally we meet, we get involved... an then I find out all the things she had been less than honest about.... like the fact she couldn't really play violin... her talent at singing was debateable... her literary talent wasn't as advertised... and despite finding out she had formerly been a prostitute, she wasn't all that great in bed and had almost no talent for giving a blow job. I had to teach her to cook & clean house neither of which she was particularly good at. Then there were her fantasies and obsessions about being degraded and humiliated in distinctly unhealthy ways... There's more but you get the point. I tried for about six months to sort things out in the middle of one of the most stressful times of my life... and admittedly in part because I was too stressed out otherwise to really deal with the situation... so I ignored it, used her and six months later kicked her out. And no... I didn't ask why. I know her well enough I probably can guess why... I just don't care. With the speed she moved in with someone else, apparently she didn't care either. The whole situation sucks... and what's worse its not an isolated case... I've been fooled before and its entirely possible it could happen again. But I've realized that a big part of why I was fooled was because I was seeing what I wanted to see, rather than what was there. So I've become meaner, more aggressive, more of an asshole (not that I was a saint to begin with, but for the most part I've always been a "nice guy")... but its really about trying to cut out the emotional crap that blinds me to the truth... so I don't get fooled again. You asked a question... why did they do this? Maybe the better question is... why did you believe them? I think LA must have been onto something with the Whole reference about The Who songs. Such as "Won't get fooled again". It's true that we want to see what we want to see at times. At times when we want to see the good in somebody we see it, if we really want to see the bad in somebody we will see just that. Both cases, it's anything but the reality or truth of the matter. I've done it where I wanted to see the good in somebody, wanting to believe things were good when it was not, wanting to believe things were or would change. That everything would work out. Turning a blind eye to the ugly truth, then in the end turning around and blaming them, for me turning a blind eye to the reality. I had a heaven and hell relationship with somebody, she was literally my best friend and worst enemy. Normally we are our own worse enemies, however she had me beat even. I was constantly trying to prove myself, validate my Dominant role, and being tested left and right. No matter what I did, it was never good enough or right enough. That was one of the buttons that she was pushing and counting on. Somebody made a post about being constantly challeged and tested. I went through this crap once before, never again, never again... not to those levels. I don't mind a little testing at moments, however, it was pushing me past my own limits. In fact, she was pushing me to literally engage in verbal humilation for real in the middle of disagreements, she wanted me to take and use force sex as the solution to fights or disagreements. It was pushing me into directions that I did not want to go in. If anything it pushed me to maintain greater self-control. In the end, I was worn out, exhausted. I had tried, I had done everything in the book. My only sanity was grounding myself in my past good relationships in thought for awhile, about how much different and more positive they had been. Admitting to myself that the relationship I was in was unhealthy, that there was no way in hell, that there was any way in Hell my actions alone would change anything. She was looking for somebody, that I was not. I finally ended it for good. She then found what she was looking for and realize it was not what she really wanted. She found that asshole control freak type that would drop her to her names, and treat her like shit. I got a phone call from her about how I never treated her like that, and how aweful this guy was. Hey, not my mistake! Her choice, her actions, her bullshit. The fact remains, that it changed nothing about what had happened. I was no longer blind to it all, and I was not ready to go back. I had to shut her completely out of my life. The same thing as Block, Ingore and delete them from my life. Kinky sex, and playing out D/s for a few weeks then having it majorly tested for a whole week afterwards to crazy off the wall limits is not my idea of fun. It was a rollarcoaster ride, Up and Down. When it was Good it was Amazing when it was Bad is was living hell. I'm equally responsible for it's effects upon me as she was. Because I was turning a blind eye to things and seeing what I wanted to see. Spent four and a half years dealing with a Heaven and Hell relationship. It took a toll on me. Part of the reason why I refer to myself as having dented up, dingy, dirty armor. I'm not a white knight, I'm not all that clean. I have tried to fight the good fight before to prove myself, pfffffffffffffftttt... I'm a little tired of fighting and having to prove myself repeatedly over and over again. I want and need some peace of mind in life. I'd rather be single and alone compared to going through this again. Then again, I'm responsible in part for not having broken it off sooner. I'm responsible for having seen what I only wanted to see. I swear some relationships need to be looked at like having "no fault" insurance coverage, where it really does not matter who is to blame, because if it's not right, it's simply not right. The thing is such, that for the longest time, I myself have not said to myself, self you are responsible to yourself for the pain and suffering you caused yourself for having turned a blind eye. I'm glad to see such an honest post from you Padriag. There are limits we need to have when dealing with the Games and lies that we put up with or even attempt to understand. My last relationship I found myself confronted with similar issues, I had a choice to turn a blind eye and see what I wanted to see, or see the reality of the ugly truth. I made the choice to see the truth, and end it. I realized there was a limitation to what I could humanly do and deal with. I really could not see myself sticking it out with somebody who got drunk, would blackout and get crazy violent and angry when they were drinking. She's one of those people that should not even drink at all. It's something that would only drag me down in the end. I'm sorry, my armor is already beat to hell and well... I want to keep what I have left of it for a good fight that is actually a right fight to be in. I'm sorry, but somebody best better be damn well worth my remaining armour for the condition it is in. LOL... Oh lord... Some is probally reading this thread shaking their head, or laughing their ass off at me. Guess what, I'm standing there right besides you doing the same at myself right now. I'm laughing my ass off at myself and shaking my head in disbelief. As I have openly expressed before, I have no problems with BDSM and Kink. In fact that's really easy and natural for me. If anything I have had to face issues in the relationship department in general. Talking about flogging techniques, bondage styles, humilation ideas, and how to use a sub/slave for personal pleasure, really bores me at times, because I have that shit down pretty damn pat. Talking about Relationships and D/s relationships and things related in that area, really is where I have the most to gain. Even more so if it makes me a better person and a better Dominant. I don't mean better at being Dominanting over somebody either.

Padriag -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/20/2008 4:09:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2 Some is probally reading this thread shaking their head, or laughing their ass off at me. Guess what, I'm standing there right besides you doing the same at myself right now. I'm laughing my ass off at myself and shaking my head in disbelief. You'll be fine... and if it helps any, I look back at my life... the crazy shit that has happened, the stupid things I've done and laugh all the time. I've been far from perfect, far from a saint, and at least 15 degrees off center. I've been human... all too human... yet still striving to be something nobler. Its all a daily process, a never ending journey. My own personal journey into the wood (and a pat on the back to anyone who get's the references buried in that). quote: Talking about Relationships and D/s relationships and things related in that area, really is where I have the most to gain. Even more so if it makes me a better person and a better Dominant. Most of us can gain something from it. Even if its just figuring out what won't work for us by virtue of someone else's example. If someone learns something from my failings... then at least some good came of it. Might as well be honest about them... I doubt anyone really believes I'm perfect anyway. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s4.gif[/image]

LadyPact -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/20/2008 11:57:22 AM)
I've read this thread a few times over in the last couple of days. Thanks Ower4, for starting it and to all the folks who have contributed to it. You know, it's easy to come on these boards and blow smoke up the collective readers asses about how honest a person is in their dealings with others. How good it looks on the screen to be holier than thou in being 100% perfect in the truth department. That the writer is brutally honest to a fault. To hell with the fallout of what comes from it. Everything will be fine as long as you tell the truth about it. I'm sitting here with Myself and a thought just went through My head. Maybe even the truth isn't just black and white. I'm not talking about things like are you married, how old are you, or what do you do for a living. I actually find those to be the easier truths. I think those are the kinds of things that are more obvious to discuss in the beginning of a relationship and if someone disqualifies you as a partner on some level, it's easy to move along at that point. We're not too involved with another person when those kinds of basics come up. I'm not talking about the mistakes we make as children. (Yes, Owner4, I still consider the mistakes we make at 17 to still be part of the growing up process.) As an adult, we make a conscious decision, based on the lessons we already know in life if we chose to lie at the onset. We know the mess we are going to make if we do that. Chances are, for example, if you're married, and you tell that person sitting across from you that you're meeting for the first time that you're not, you probably have a pretty good idea of the chaos that could ensue. Actually, I do think that is the time when the truth is easiest. Prior to any emotional investment or maybe even just a casual one. When the truth doesn't have a potential for hurting anybody, it's a lot easier to tell it. What happens when that is no longer the case? When that person sitting across from you isn't someone you're just meeting, but rather someone you know and care for and have some idea that truth could do them a great harm? Is that 100% perfect truth still so easy? What about how that person has received truth from you in the past? Does that color your judgment? Case in point. I play casually. This isn't news to anybody, I've probably mentioned it a hundred times here and made it very clear to the people that I know in My life. It's something that a person has to accept about Me. This very same fact has had a different effect on different people. My husband hasn't had an issue with this to an extensive degree. It's how it's always been since I got re-involved in the lifestyle. In ways, My playing casually with others was actually easier than certain aspects of some D/s dynamics I've had. My sub, by comparison, was different. Before he was ever collared, I was very specific that I was going to continue to play casually. In fact, I had met clip and started out with him as a play partner. Yet, once a bond had formed, and he saw Me more as a Dominant for him, rather than just a Top, there was a point that this same truth was harder for him. Without boring anyone by going into the methods of how this was handled, let's just say that for clip, this is something that he accepts much easier these days. As I said, two different people, two different ways of dealing with that very same truth. Where My husband might be thrilled that I had an excellent scene with someone, want to watch and hear every little detail, and basically just be glad that it's not his ass that I'm bruising the hell out of at the time, there was also a point in the dynamic that the same wasn't true of clip. At one time, he had feelings connected with why wasn't he the person on the cross having that scene. The one who got to enjoy space with Me and the intimacy of aftercare with Me. Due to the two different perspectives, feelings, and emotions involved, I'd handle the same truth in two entirely different ways. Where I might babble for an hour in excitement to My husband about how fantastic the whole thing was, I'd probably say a lot less to clip about it. That doesn't make it any less the very same fact. It means I talked more with one than the other about it. One could receive it better than the other. The question that follows would be, did I tell the truth to one by being completely honest, and a lie by omission to the other because I didn't express all of My feelings about it or mention every detail so he wouldn't be hurt? Way back in this thread, the concept of motivation was mentioned. It might have something to do with that. Even people reading this post are going to see the question differently, because they are individuals with different perspectives on the matter. Maybe, even the truth, isn't just black and white.

subintrainingnc -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/20/2008 12:22:39 PM)
very good post and i am sure we have all dealt with lies on both ends at some point. you would hope most have a good reason for doing so, but if you know someone is blatenly telling people he is someone he is not, even giving a false photo to girls, you just have to wonder, why? they must have no intensions of meeting them (only mentioning this because i found out someone is doing this now and it has been bothering me).. atleast on your end you were brave enough in the end to come clean, sadly you lost her, but there was always that chance that maybe she would understand and you took that, which says a lot about your character.

WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/20/2008 1:03:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subintrainingnc very good post and i am sure we have all dealt with lies on both ends at some point. you would hope most have a good reason for doing so, but if you know someone is blatenly telling people he is someone he is not, even giving a false photo to girls, you just have to wonder, why? they must have no intensions of meeting them (only mentioning this because i found out someone is doing this now and it has been bothering me).. atleast on your end you were brave enough in the end to come clean, sadly you lost her, but there was always that chance that maybe she would understand and you took that, which says a lot about your character. Thank you for this post. I guess for so manys, I've been really hard on myself for some of my past mistakes. A little hard for me to acknowledge or let's say I've been a little less accepting about my character. This was an extremely difficult moment in time for me. To come clean. In many regards, internal resentment towards myself for this without any pity. Actually, many times, I don't want any pity from anybody including myself when I've fucked up to these levels. Mmmmmm... then again, I have been wanting to see what I wanted to see. When I look back upon this moment, I say to myself "What an asshole". I think the post Padrig made about seeing what we want to see applies to even ourselves just as much as it does other people.

subtee -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/21/2008 1:43:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa quote: Some of the worst lies, the lies that can hurt the most are told at a time when the lier is going trough huge amount of emotional turmoil. Colouredin, How true this statement is. Not an excuse, but certainly a better understanding of what makes us mere mortals. I wish there was such a thing as a time machine, I've a feeling quite a few of us would use it. how true that is about told at a time of turmoil ....I have been there done that and would ended up hurting a person in a way I have never intended... things just sort of snowballed in a way I never imagined possible.. and I found myself panicking and made things even worse and I would have gladly used the time machine to go back a change things ..unfortunately we can't Yes, absolutely to all of you. I think it's best to assume the other is doing his or her best until/unless you find out otherwise. Viewed from that positive, it seems to me at least easier to evaluate motives and decide if it's something you can handle or not.

Jeptha -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/21/2008 7:33:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross There's not much The Who can't help with :) In terms of life fuck ups, really that wasn't so bad. You're almost expected to do that sort of thing at that age. Speaking as someone who willingly and repeatedly cheated on her ex's, there's a state of willful ignorance and self serving masquerading as goodwill that would be beautiful if it weren't so disgusting. One of the things that is attractive to me about wiitwd (and, for me, I'll include along with that considerations of polyamory), is that it doesn't assume a specific norm which might actually be a rather difficult ideal to achieve. Things are more often discussed in detail, rather than merely being assumed. While I tend to favor monogamy, for example, I don't expect people to adhere to it strictly and forevermore, throughout eternity. Things can sometimes happen. I want to create an environment where those things, should they occur, can be faced and discussed without inordinate amounts of fear and trepidation before they are acted upon. Who knows, it may bring about a parting of ways; but maybe there will be some way to incorporate it into the present structure. To create more viable options than merely suppression or lying is the main objective.

Jeptha -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/21/2008 7:52:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2 Mmmmmm... then again, I have been wanting to see what I wanted to see. When I look back upon this moment, I say to myself "What an asshole". You know, sometimes that's how empathy is learned; by going too far and then suddenly realizing that you HAVE gone too far...but previously you didn't know enough to do better than you did. That's experience for you, sometimes painful. When I was younger I really had few social skills. My first experiences in relationships were like I was socially retarded. I committed the "break-up by avoidance" thing with a really great girl (which really sucked). I just had no clue how to communicate what was going on inside my mind back then. Possibly I could have just spluttered it out, but I'm not even sure if I knew what the problems were for me back then. Whatever my emotional malaise was, it might have remained in some pre-verbal state because I just didn't have the skills or awareness to do anything else with them or work with them in any way. Waddaya do? I can't really fix that pain, but I can try to make it better next time.

faithbunny -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (10/21/2008 9:00:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lateralist1 And even if they say they want monogomy that can change. So were they lying when they said they did? Checking and rechecking that people still feel and think the way they did two minutes ago is pretty damned difficult. Isn't that why we have safe words or actions? *I used to do that with my beloved, out of insecurity. Now that I have more faith in myself, I just trust, knowing that I really won't die if it all goes south. Now if I do lie to spare someone's feelings am I wrong? I find it really hard but I have stopped lying even for those reasons. People really don't like it. In fact they hate me. Society is built on lies. It seems it's the only way people can get on with one another. So should I go back to being nice ie lying to people? *Nooooo! I don't want to be the only blunt, straight talking hardass female on the planet. ; ( ~faith

Ariella10 -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (11/1/2008 8:28:52 PM)
Hi. i too started off my now relationship with a lie. i'm not proud of myself, but i finally fessed up once my Master caught on. i said i was younger than i was and some might say, 'hey, what woman doesnt lie about her age'. That wasnt the point, he figured it out, confronted me ,and then took the appropriate action. Trouble is, i'm not a liar by nature, but i just couldnt accept my age myself. Period. That is the only blatant lie and will be the only one i ever tell him. He told me i was to be punished, and he did punish me for it. Asked me how many strikes of the whip i think i should get, and then doubled what i said. i will never, ever forget this, and i love him for it. With every strike on my ass it took away the guilt and shame i felt for lying to him. After it was over,i asked for forgiveness, he gave it and said it would never be mentioned again. As a newbie to this world i think i have found a true gem and someone in whom i can confide anything and everything. i know some of you might think, boy, this is nothing, but to me it was a huge weight taken off my shoulders and we started with a 'clean slate'. i adore my new Master and try to please him as much as i can. Thanks for 'listening'......

califsue -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (11/1/2008 10:19:56 PM)
I think at one time in our lives we have all lied to save face or any number of reasons. I don't like being lied to and I try to be honest in my dealings with everyone. However, dealing with aging parents and health issues I might coat what the doctor tells me when I speak with them related to their health issues. I am trying to be honest, give them information they need to know in order to manage the issue. At the same time I don't want to cause them more anxiety or worry than they are already have about their failing health. Now, regarding the omission of truth statement. Is it a lie if one hasn't asked and the situation did not ever come up in discussion. Sometimes, we fail to ask a specific question. Does that mean someone 'lied'? I am not sure and something I am currently struggling with internally.

WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Game Playing, Lies, Truth, D/s and lessons learned. (11/4/2008 1:54:49 PM)
I want to thank everybody that has contributed on this thread. I was going through a bit of an issue with trust with My Girl. You see this is the downside to doing the long distance thing at time. When you are still in the process of getting to know somebody. Here's what Happened. I logged onto CM one day, noticed a picture on a PROFILE that looked a lot like My Girl. I read this profile, and She mentioned about people stealing her pictures and using them. Her and Her friend. Anyways, this sort of Alarmed me! Made me stop for a minute and wonder if I am not being Played Yet again by another Fake! I have already had somebody pull the wool over my eyes before. Where I was trusting in the pictures they had shared with me. OH NO!! Not again!! So I responded to this persons profile, shared with them 4 pictures! They wrote me back! Claiming that the picures were of Her, Her friend Sara and another girl. Grrr... my Heart Literally Sank... Anyways, now what? What to do? If my Girl is lieing to me is it something I could or could not deal with in the END? After so many months of talking, I honestly felt that she was not all full of bullshit. Anyways, I started to Explore this in thought some. Hence my thread posting here. Now for the kicker, The Girl with the profile up Made a post about me, That she would be laughing so hard she'd live forever if I called her a fake. She even said openly as a remark to me good luck with the fake. Anyways, Needless to say. A lot of crazy doubts and shit was going on for the next 48 hours. Then I spilled everything to my Girl. WOW... this was not a great thing for her to deal with. LONG story short, the girl on this site that one that Lied about My Girls pictures being her's is a not good honest person. It damn near wrecked things between my Girl and I. Some people on this site are indeed not honest, and it can be a little hard knowing what the fuck to believe in at times. Anyways, I'm well past this issue now. My Girl is and has been honest with me. However, I was fearful just in case she was not. I got in touch with my own past transgressions inorder to find some empathy in the manner to how to deal with and handle things should my Girl be the one stealing pictures. My girl was not very pleased or happy that this had happened. She actually was a little amazed that this happened. All this because her and I have not meet FACE to FACE in person. If we had NONE of this would have happened. So instead going through some issues at times to time. I want to thank everybody who posted to this thread. Oh yeah, I did feel a bit like some insecure ass in the end of this process. However, this issue has been gone and over within 48 hours of making this post. Beware of those making claims that people are stealing their pictures, they themselves might be the biggest game players.

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