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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 2:18:55 PM   
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I appreciate the thoughts and responses of everyone so far.
 
I didn't start this thread to discuss abuse per se though. I know that i cant control the direction that a thread goes in but would really appreciate if we could stick to the questions asked.
 
For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?


Also and this is the delicate bit which i am trying to word carefully but know i will offend someone with, how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?



its hard to separate the two.  as someone who grew up in an abusive home, abuse was the NORMAL relationship.  oh, my first marriage was more physically abusive, but emotionally it felt like what "home" had been.  so i thought that it was what marriage was.  and since i had married the first guy i ever dated?  yeah.  normal.

he was domineering and controlling and nothing was ever good enough.  move on to second marriage and he was NOT physically abusive at all but VERY passive agressive controlling and nothing was ever really up to Mama's standards. 

when we decided to explore polyamory, i got a taste of what BDSM was about and was MUCH happier....there was a palpable difference between submitting anxiously and trying to please and getting nothing in return, and having your submission asked and being appreciated, and being rewarded for that submission by being asked to do new and strange and wonderful things in the bedroom.  and KNOWING that i was being judged only against my own self, and that i was accepted as i was and am.

now i'm in a 24/7 relationship.  i am appreciated for who i am, i am not asked for things i cannot do, i am rewarded for things that i do because i want to please him, which pleases him more.  its not so much the physical punishments....its the being taken care of and being given a list of things that need to be done that he knows i can accomplish and him understanding things i can do nothing about.

its the difference between existing and living, to me.

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 2:47:13 PM   
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I was in an abusive relationship and i know now - it was abusive but at that time, some of the dark needs in me were being met.

He was a Sadist, I needed to be hurt - I had a deep loathing for myself, a discomfert and disgust at being in my own skin and i was dead inside - pain let me feel
He controlled me totally - and at that time I wanted that i craved the almost brainwashing that i went though, to become less than human.
he WANTED me - yes a lot of what he did was twisted and i realise that now but i craved being wanted.

He was jealous, posessive, he banned my friends and hated my family and told me over and over again that i was worthless but that he could see some usefullness in me - t was that i clung to

I felt worthless, i felt like nothing - looking back i was a ripe jucy target and point of fact was although he told me over and over how worthless, fat and ugly i was he still WANTED me

No matter how much i hated myself i was good for something.

Now i'm much different - i've had councelling and a lot of soul searching.

I still crave pain but for other reasons, i still need to be lowered to nothing but now i can accept being rebuilt as well and i accept now that there is more to me than an object.

My ex Master was an abuser, i was young and niave and allowed it to happen - any attention and being wanted no matter how bad it was was better than being alone - I accept i played a part in my own abuse.

I loved him, the man was my world and i found it hard to function without him

Thing is - sometimes, when I was single and alone and it felt like my life was out of control, I'd still miss him - i knew i couldnt go back, my rl dad pleaded with me not to, said I'd come home in a box but I WANTED to although i knew he was bad for me.
He made me feel so guilty when i finally left - he told me he was going to kill himself, he'd told me that before but this time i walked away - and i still feel guilty sometimes.

I got something from it because although it was really damn bad it wasnt all bad, he wasnt always the monster, sometimes he was my Master and Daddy that i loved so very much and in every good time it was ok again.

When he did the bad things he told me i made him - if i obayed i was robotic if i tried to have spirit i was objectionable, i couldnt win and i ended up so confused by what was wanted until he came and guided me from the confusion, forgiving me, making everything alright.

It was a twisted cycle, i hated him sometimes but loved him always - i think i was sick too.

I hope that made some sort of sense

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 3:42:49 PM   
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This is straight forward for me - in an abusive relationship I felt sadness, fear, apathy, anger. The list is an endless sea of negative descriptors but in a D/s relationship I feel freed, cared for, loved, happy and sure of myself.
 
Abuse works on developing your low self esteem to create involuntary submission. A D/s relationship incorporates choice and freedom. The ability to submit freely. To accept what some may consider 'violence' because you enjoy the feelings and closeness it brings with a trusted partner.
 
At least... that's how it is for me...

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 4:52:39 PM   
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Thank you all very much for sharing your stories here.
 
Time to share my own
 
quote:

For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?


Mentally i got very few of my needs met. The humiliation of being called fat, ugly, worthless, a whore etc never gave me a buzz like it does now in D/s.
Physically i got my needs met to the max even if it was in a totally unhealthy, unsafe way.
 
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how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?


As i said above mentally the feelings of humiliation were awful when it was not bdsm. I got very few of my needs met other than the rare occasions i was beautiful to them and they told me so.
Physically my needs were more than met. As loathe as i am to admit it those beatings were raw pure sadism (dictionary definition) and a part of me loved the absolute lack of control i had over them. The high that i got from those beatings was immense, far more powerful than i get through D/s. I did even then though recognise that the situations i was in were highly unhealthy and highly unsafe.




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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 4:59:16 PM   
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Physically my needs were more than met. As loathe as i am to admit it those beatings were raw pure sadism (dictionary definition) and a part of me loved the absolute lack of control i had over them. The high that i got from those beatings was immense, far more powerful than i get through D/s. I did even then though recognise that the situations i was in were highly unhealthy and highly unsafe.





You said it far more eloquently than I but yes - thats what i was trying to say

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 5:03:10 PM   
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Thank you.
I was a little worried about starting this thread to be honest thought i might catch a few flames

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 5:32:40 PM   
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Thank you.
I was a little worried about starting this thread to be honest thought i might catch a few flames


I would hope not - you did not slam or attack anyone.

Besides - you are well respected here - that makes you flame retardent

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 6:34:11 PM   
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  how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship? 


 
An accurate description of my upbringing would be ‘benign neglect’, yet it has had far reaching not-so-benign effects.  I just didn’t matter, my thoughts and feelings were ignored and honest emotion was frowned on because it was ‘messy’. 
As a young adult, I often felt invisible.  All I ever wanted was to be important to somebody.  Would it surprise anyone that my fantasy man was Spock, from Star Trek? I attached myself to many Spock-like men in a futile effort to prove I could melt a cold and logical heart.  I was in pain and unfulfilled.  It was self-injurious behavior on an emotional level.
Fast forward to my discovery of BDSM; in the beginning my relationship issues were the same.  It did not fix me; I had to do some work on myself.  I have come to terms with the fact that I have an emotional masochistic streak that is a mile wide.  But I have learned what makes the difference, what makes it fulfilling rather than frustrating, is balance. I must believe that I am important enough to expect care and appreciation from my partner(s).  I must believe that I most certainly do matter, and to my delight, that belief led me to healthier relationships. 
The difference is that I am not cold and alone.  When R. or S. gathers me into the warmth of their arms and tell me they are pleased, I am not invisible.      


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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 7:16:11 PM   
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For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?

Looking back on it now, I can see things so much more clearly than I could then.  Now I can see that it made me feel good to be a martyr.  I loved that man and I "stood by him" no matter what.  I was the long-suffering supportive spouse who took whatever he dished out and loved him in spite of it.  I made excuses for his behavior and covered up a lot of it or tried to explain it away.  I enabled his bad habits and even joined him in them.  I was willing to go that far to be beside him.  When he slapped me or punched me or did something to degrade me, it made me feel good to know that others knew I didn't leave him for it.  And the making up - well, that was the best part of all, right?  Being soon as a "good woman" who stood by her man - that's what I craved and that's what I got.  Sure wasn't worth the abuse I took, looking back.
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how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?

They aren't.  Not to me.  When my ex-husband wanted to have threesomes, he wasn't doing it to enhance our sex life.  He was simply talking me into doing what he wanted so he could get what he wanted.  He never considered how it would affect me.  Fortunately, it was positive.  I loved the sex and didn't care why he was doing it.  However, there was some negativity associated with the fact that he played up some jealousy issues and I was never secure in such situations.  Now, with Master, we both love the idea of threesomes and truly seek a poly household.  It is soooooo different, though.  There isn't jealousy and there is no insecurity with Him.  I know my place in his bed and life are secure. 

When Master calls me "cunt," or "bitch" or something similar, He does it with love.  When my ex did, he said it with venom and to cut me in two.  He expected me to be virtually his slave without me agreeing to any such thing and with nothing given in return.  Basically, none of the feelings are similar.  The needs I seemed to have needed met back then simply don't exist in my life now.  Maybe I've outgrown them.  I'd like to think so...............luci

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 7:44:43 PM   
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For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?
 


An interesting topic, and one I might be able to share a bit on...although I'm still processing some stuff so I don't know how much I can effectively share.
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ooking back on it now, I can see things so much more clearly than I could then. Now I can see that it made me feel good to be a martyr. I loved that man and I "stood by him" no matter what. I was the long-suffering supportive spouse who took whatever he dished out and loved him in spite of it. I made excuses for his behavior and covered up a lot of it or tried to explain it away. I enabled his bad habits and even joined him in them. I was willing to go that far to be beside him.


What luci wrote (quoted above) defines how I felt in my former marriage pretty accurately. He didn't physically hurt me, so I didn't quote the whole thing. But that martyrdom, "stand by your man" mindset..."I'll believe in you, I'll have faith in you, I'll support you" - I lived that, even when the things I was believing in and supporting were really unhealthy. I would often ask why he was so mean to me. He was frustrated by life, he said, and if he can't take his frustrations out on his wife, then what's the point?

So what I got out of the marriage was a strange sense of fulfillment from carrying his burden and for trying to make life "right" for him. It fed my co-dependence.

The relationship I was in that just ended, well, it's hard to figure out, still. For some it was obvious. For me, some of the ways I was treated were the only ways I knew. It was the only language I understood. I honestly don't know if it was abusive or not. I asked for it, after all. I wanted it. I don't really think about whether or not it was abusive because I'm not so sure it matters now. I know that toward the end things just didn't feel good anymore. That familiar pain that was always fed - the pain I lived for - it stopped feeding me and instead started depressing me. I think over time I grew to want to speak a different language, and when I was limited to the original, familiar language, it became foreign to me. I didn't like it anymore. So...abusive? Who knows. It worked for me...until it didn't.


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Also and this is the delicate bit which i am trying to word carefully but know i will offend someone with, how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?



In the marriage, I always felt responsible for everything that was wrong. If I could only be better at XYZ, then we could be happy. I felt really incompetent and pretty worthless at times. In my slavery, I had a purpose. And I could see and feel that I was pleasing, which gave me great satisfaction and boosted my self esteem. I was encouraged to grow, unlike in my marriage, and praised when I did well. I could see my life improving - I was reunited with my family, was allowed to have friends, was allowed to go back to school, was allowed to go travel and explore - all things I could not do in my marriage. But one familiar thread did run through both relationships - If I could just give more...if I could give endlessly, knowing no bounds...maybe he'll love me and show it. I believe that's the thread that kept me just short of being totally fulfilled in my slavery. If I looked the other way and ignored it, which I often did, then I was blissful. But ignoring it didn't make it go away.

Now I'm in an interesting place. The things that used to greatly appeal to me no longer do. Even the thought of being humiliated or degraded (something I used to live for) makes me cold inside, and stiffens me. The thought of being someone's "toy" or property...well it doesn't even feel good to fantasize about it. But I know I'm in a place of transition, and what I feel today will probably be much different than what I feel next month. I do know this, though - there is an abundance of love in this world, and I want some of it, and I don't want to have to guess as to whether I have it or not. And I think if I experience that, well maybe the rest of the things I used to like will return to my "Yay List", too. Time will tell.

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 8:44:02 PM   
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My very first relationship (he was my first everything ) was abusive, he never hit me, but the threat was ever present, and he would force sex on me regualrly which most times would leave me bleeding, crying and feeling like shit, however there was the odd occasion it stirred something else in me. We broke up and I went off the rails a little, using guys the way my ex did to me, then I ended up back with said ex. We discussed what happened the previous time and put it down to us being young and confused. We started to incorperate a  bit of kink into our relationship although at the time we didnt realise it, but slowly the threats of physical abuse crept back and him punching the wall about an inch from my head (to this day dont know if it was meant for me and i happened to move in time) was the last straw and I left.

But the consensual and non consensual roughness I recieved from him definately fed my desires, it didnt create them however they had been there for a very long time (perhaps partly the result of a less than stable upbringing)

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RE: A delicate question - 10/16/2008 11:40:26 PM   
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quote:

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I appreciate the thoughts and responses of everyone so far.
 
I didn't start this thread to discuss abuse per se though. I know that i cant control the direction that a thread goes in but would really appreciate if we could stick to the questions asked.
 
For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?
***no needs were met - but the abuse came sneaking up on me, as it does on many women - step by step - day by day - being told how worthless i was - being yelled at - he spoke his mind - slapped me around, and left - came home smiling...not understanding why i was still upset...so NO needs were met - and i finally found my backbone and left***

Also and this is the delicate bit which i am trying to word carefully but know i will offend someone with, how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?

***being hit without reason - constantly told how amazingly stupid i am - etc...is not a good place to be. Not being kicked, raped and left in pain - curled up on the floor, either. Still..when i found my first rt Master - He brought out a few of those feelings in me - the shame and the fear - but He understood them - taught me the difference between abuse and Dominance and showed me that the differences are worlds apart when it comes to the mental aspect of it...He could slap my face to snap me out of a panic situation....LIGHT slap, that is - or simply change His voice...and after a long time - i learned that He was not out to harm me - He cherished me - and the day i was on the floor again - had been through a rape scene which included whips, ropes - blindfolds....and warm, gentle hands lifted me up - held me close and talked me down - was the day i left my past - and accepted that rough dominance was a natural part of my life - and i needed the light fear/pain to truly feel alive...and - i was in control...s...and i was bursting with pride as of how i got through the scene - and also how much i had truly enjoyed it - because i knew i was safe***



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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 5:55:41 AM   
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But that martyrdom, "stand by your man" mindset..."I'll believe in you, I'll have faith in you, I'll support you" - I lived that, even when the things I was believing in and supporting were really unhealthy. I would often ask why he was so mean to me. He was frustrated by life, he said, and if he can't take his frustrations out on his wife, then what's the point?

So what I got out of the marriage was a strange sense of fulfillment from carrying his burden and for trying to make life "right" for him. It fed my co-dependence.

Exactly!  You summed it up so well.  I look back on things now and I pity him.  His life has been one long fuck-up and in my co-dependence, I enabled him to just continue on with the same.  My mistake was truly believing that if I loved him enough and offered him something better than what he had had previously (in relationships and life in general) that he'd suddently "see the light" and change.  Eleven years of that and nope...just imagine....he didn't change.  Wanting it didn't make it happen.  And as unhealthy as it always was, it did make me feel all warm and fuzzy sometimes knowing that I was sticking with him no matter what and knowing that OTHERS knew it too.  How sick, huh? 

As you say, the things that used to fuel me and that I craved now leave me cold.  I wouldn't enter into a relationship like that again for anything but, at the time, it did fulfill me in some twisted way.  Never again.  Congrats to us both for getting out and moving on!  luci

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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 6:19:48 AM   
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I like this question. I think the core of it goes back for a lot of people, not so much in terms of physical abuse, but mental as well. I think too that the definition of abuse isn't always accurate, pariticularly when it comes to things that are mental and emotional. From my own perspective, I grew up in an abusive household. Corporal punishment was a way of life. Probably where I varied from some of the rest is that I knew I wasn't the one wrong. The time was wrapped up in a weird maze of fundamentalist relgious beliefs, a father who was rarely there because of work and who worked you like a slave when he was, a mother who was strung out on prescription drugs. It wasn't the best mix for anything, much less raising children. The whippings, beatings if you want to call them that, encompassed every instrument from having your face slapped around the other side of your body to long sessions with wire coiling around your skin. By the time I was about 6, I quit crying. I refused to. I just stood and looked at them while they did it and as I grew older, began asking when they were tired, are you done yet? Of course, that brought more but what I wanted them to know was that there wasn't anything they could do in that respect to break the will. I doubt there are many here who have carried more wounds and bruises from play than I did as a kid simply from standing there and staring them in the face while they did it.

I suppose that should have made me a masochist. What it made me was one who absolutely depised abuse in any form. It also gave me a rather unique perspective on pain. Wry smile. Even more though, it let me separate the physical, mental and emotional types of pain and it gave a reference point to what they were. One of the driving aspects of D/s types of relationships is that pain in and of itself, also encompasses things that are emotional and mental. Over the years I've run across people who needed to feel humilated, needed heavy play where they had absolutely no control, some who simply needed to be taken out of the present and put in a place where they could just feel and do so with someone they could trust to respect their boundaries, other's who needed those boundaries pushed and pushed and pushed, some who needed absolute control. Many of those came from either households where they were abused in some form, or relationships where they had been abused. The question often put to me is why is there a sense of arousal from it?

And I guess the question that stuck with me about myself for a long time was, how can you come from that kind of background and enjoy, need, to do what you do when you're with a submissive? That answer is fairly simple for me, although it took a long time to get there. Pain is a vehicle, not a destination. I use it to put my submissive in the place I want her. If it's squirming across my lap when I spank her OTK, lying coma like in some hallucinatory, subspace induced vision, dangling limp wristed in suspension while a whip carresses her back and ass, or trembling in that excited, drippingly aroused place of "I don't know what he's going to do to me next, but I know I need it" kind of space... it's where I want her that day. What I don't want is the negativity of emotional and mental pain going with it. That's where the trust comes in, where she knows what I do to her is not just to her, but for her and for me. It's about building that relationship to the point where both recognize it as a need, not just as a want, not just as something kinky, but a need that exists in both AND doing it in a way that supports her, teaches her that submission isn't an excuse for abuse nor something she has to be ashamed of. I have a real problem with the "I love you too much to spank you" folks because that logic is completely backwards to me. Seems to me that if you did truly love someone and they did need it, you'd spend the time to provide for that need while you worked towards figuring it out.

I think people who come to BDSM from abusive backgrounds, particularly those who were in emotionally manipulative households or relationships have the most risk of running through domineering types rather than dominant types. They are different and while one can encompass the other, often they do not. The risk at that point is the need that lands someone here isn't.. discovered, but rather simply used in a way that is often just as abusive as where they started.

I think recognizing it in someone is important. I think often people who have migrated from abusive backgrounds often do not see themselves as worthy of much of anything. I think teaching them they are is important in respect to long term things that are healthy for both sides. And that takes time. It's not one of those domly commands one can issue where you insist the other spill out all the things that went before. Hell, it can take years and come at times during conversations where the mind-walk that led them back originated from something that had nothing really to do with anything abusive. Minds file things in drawers where the links to them aren't always apparent. Stumbling across those links can happen at any point. That doesn't mean there will be fallout, but there could be. It's something anyone who would control another should understand and should be prepared for.

People can analyze it anyway they want, but what I want with my submissive is for it never to be emotionally or mentally destructive. Nor do I want her to think she is somehow broken. I see in healing terms actually, in ways where both exist in a type of harmony where you feed off the other, where you can feel what your body tells you that you need to feel without guilt, without that sense of falling off a cliff you don't understand into a chasm that's deep, dark and fearful in emotional terms. I read threads here and other places all the time about discipline. To me the true discipline comes from knowing the other is disappointed, not in physically doing something to them.


I'm rambling now, but that's just my 2 cents.

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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 8:24:38 AM   
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For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?

Also and this is the delicate bit which i am trying to word carefully but know i will offend someone with, how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?

its an interesting question, because in it may lie the reasons why so many stay in an abusive relationship.

ive never analysed it before, but here goes:

in the most abusive relationship i had that was physical, sexual, and psychological, i believe my needs were met through his control of me (fear based much of the time but not always) and his use of me sexually which was not violent (because i always submitted to it) but totally one sided - basically just relieving himself, one up from a wank and i have a big problem with anything like that now.

another one was more emotional abuse.  He was very D, nurturing oddly enough and caring, but a bastard the rest of the time.  i loved him deeply, i probably still do.  it was in many ways a D/s relationship and possibly therefore doesnt count.  but my needs were met with him pretty much completely through giving up on my own feelings and emotions in order to make room for his - and i still do.

fear, resentment and emptyness are the differing feelings.  i still feel fear, last wednesday leaps to mind but it was consensual and i could have stopped it at any time if i really really really really had to.  He says otherwise, but we both know that isnt true.. lol.

i have felt resentment too, as a small burning indignation where ive kept my mouth shut and my eyes down and just burned silently.  not the sort that left me hating that person so much i imagined pushing a knife into their chest.

i have never felt emptyness - maybe a need for an aftercare cuddle that never came cos id been so awful i didnt deserve one - but never so much that i had nowhere to go in my head because the present was hell, the future seemed hopeless and the past had no refuge for me.


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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 9:09:37 AM   
MaamJay


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I am humbled by the transparency of these stories and the insight people are finding into their psyches and how abuse and D/s are related. Thank you all for sharing so richly and honestly.

I count Myself fortunate to never have been in a physically abusive relationship. However, My parents were emotionally toxic and I would count My second hubby as fairly emotionally toxic too. This might explain why humiliation isn't one of My kinks, either as sub or Domme and why I seek to build others up rather than to tear them down.

To all of you who shared ... My sincere wishes for fulfillment, growth and healing in your new relationships.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 9:49:40 AM   
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Hi there folks,
well there are stories in my world, but I am very private and don't tell them.  It took me a number of years of therapy, self defense classes and 2 degrees in psychology before I could face my truths.  I used physical, emotional, and intellectual means and now those broken places are for the most part healed.  Occasionally I find myself a little bit falling back into the abused child mentality, but rarely. 

For me now it is the obedience boundary that is difficult.  One of my family members has always bossed me around, and I have finally stopped always doing what I'm told.  It had just been easier than standing up for myself.  Now, I don't do what I'm told if it is not safe or healthy for me. 

For example, my father was having serious surgery, and I knew I couldn't live with myself if I didn't give him the opportunity to make peace with me.  So, I booked a flight and went out to him.  Immediately before I left, both he and my older sister called me and told me not to go.  He didn't want me there.  I was determined though.  This was for MY health.  I was very clear with them that he never had to see me if he didn't want to, but I would be available to support the people who were supporting him.  I went out there because I HAD to FOR ME.  I may have disobeyed my father and sister by going there, but in the end it was the best thing in the world.  (He refused to see me, he called me horrible names, and he said some very ugly things to the nurse about me, which I could hear from the hallway.  I got so clear.  My father doesn't love me and I am not a part of his world.  It healed something in me.  I couldn't MAKE him care about me.  THAT was very freeing)

Blind obedience to people who bully me has just been easier for me, don't rock the boat kind of thing.  But now, even that is being stripped away.  I am learning how I do need to be led and controlled, but by people who will care for me.  Someone dominant who understands the RESPONSIBILITY of that dominance is the only one good enough, worthy enough, trustworthy enough for me to obey.

Well wishes,
sunshine

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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 10:19:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

I appreciate the thoughts and responses of everyone so far.
 
I didn't start this thread to discuss abuse per se though. I know that i cant control the direction that a thread goes in but would really appreciate if we could stick to the questions asked.
 
For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?


Also and this is the delicate bit which i am trying to word carefully but know i will offend someone with, how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?


I was never abused in a relationship, however I was unfortunate to have been a victim of an abusive situation.  Now I have someone I love deeply, and if she were to basically re-enact the situation as well as the acts, I would be in heaven, because it would be for the enjoyment of someone who cares about me.  The difference is quite simply, the feeling of helplessness and bonafide fear, versus the feeling of trust and love.

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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 10:32:54 AM   
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quote:

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The idea that BDSM is a healthy way to channel their needs compared to the unhealthiness of having their needs fulfilled in an abusive relationship.

For those that do feel the way i have described, i have to wonder to what extent did they get their needs met in an abusive relationship?   When emotionally, psychologically and mentally abused... my exdom filled no needs.  I stayed because of my low self esteem. 
 
Also and this is the delicate bit which i am trying to word carefully but know i will offend someone with, how were the feelings involved in an abusive relationship compared to the feelings in a BDSM relationship?
I remember one experience when with the exdom, it was set up so that another dom would "punish me" for disobedience.  What I was disobedient for, I will never know.  I dint do belts (hard limit) because my mom abused me as a child physically with one.  I remember begging for more of the doms belt cause I hurt so much emotionally and had such a low self esteem.  My thoughts during that hour went something like this...the more he belts me the better I will be.  Where as when beaten by my mom, my thoughts were, I don't deserve this, I cried to myself, as I cowered in a corner.  



 
I am in a healthy relationship now.  He uses the crop 2-3 times and not hard when I dont seem to learn my lesson.
But it is hard enough for me to realize if I am truly submitting to his control, I must change my behaviour.

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RE: A delicate question - 10/17/2008 11:02:09 AM   
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    myself I never got anything useful out of my abuse and it was both mental and physical as well.  Was shamed puzzled scared and very depressed.   "Was it my fault?   What did I do?   Why am I worthless?   WHY is THIS happening??"

several years after that started training as a sub and it was so different and so pleasing to me. strange as it sounds I wasnt being abused but was being trained.   I was being paddled, flogged for a purpose that I understood and could accept!

   Not being randomly and unexpectdly hit and harmed for no reason.   Strange as it sounds my real life abuse prepared me for the abuse I choose in the style...but it wasnt abuse to me.   hope you can understand that?

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