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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/17/2008 9:12:56 PM   
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Belief in the spiritual power of killing other humans, and then using their bodies or parts of their bodies for magical purposes is something that appears to have been widespread across many cultures, and still exists in the modern world, sometimes even in the most modern of societies.

Whether the victim is hanged or otherwise despatched (with for instance, fire) as a sacrificial offering to some higher power, or they are killed to be eaten (the consumers thereof believing they will inherit the victim's life force), or they are killed for some part of their bodies believed to be especially potent for some other purpose, this belief is found throughout even our own white history - when Charles I was executed by beheading in the 17th century in England, handkerchiefs soaked in his blood were much sought after relics. Before that there was the widespread cult of more solid remains of Saints and others (bones etc) that were believed to carry power. And since there have been still more examples, wherever white culture has settled, even into the 20th century.

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/17/2008 9:38:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Belief in the spiritual power of killing other humans, and then using their bodies or parts of their bodies for magical purposes is something that appears to have been widespread across many cultures, and still exists in the modern world, sometimes even in the most modern of societies.

Whether the victim is hanged or otherwise despatched (with for instance, fire) as a sacrificial offering to some higher power, or they are killed to be eaten (the consumers thereof believing they will inherit the victim's life force), or they are killed for some part of their bodies believed to be especially potent for some other purpose, this belief is found throughout even our own white history - when Charles I was executed by beheading in the 17th century in England, handkerchiefs soaked in his blood were much sought after relics. Before that there was the widespread cult of more solid remains of Saints and others (bones etc) that were believed to carry power. And since there have been still more examples, wherever white culture has settled, even into the 20th century.

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Well done.  Well executed.  Kudos.

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/17/2008 9:39:31 PM   
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Well thanks. Just trying to get it back on track after the "snail episode" though

Wondering if anyone is starting to get it yet? (maybe you got it?)

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/17/2008 9:52:33 PM   
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It has been the white European culture that has been of greatest world influence in this current period of history - lets say the last 500 years. Over this time, European culture has not only been exported worldwide by settlers and conquering imperialists, but has through its prosperity, drawn in (in one way or another) peoples of all other cultures to live and work within predominantly white culture.

Over that 500 year period, white culture has developed in itself too though, never remaining for long the same it has evolved to suit the imperatives of the day. And yet, despite the most remarkable nature of this evolution, coming as it has alongside enormous technological development, some stubborn primitive beliefs have remained even from before this period of renown and influence.

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/17/2008 10:11:23 PM   
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But alongside those stubborn primitive views that have remained, there has also arisen another belief from all this period of power in the world - a belief that white culture and the people from whom it derived, were somehow special. That their success was somehow evidence of the rightfulness of their culture - and more than that, the inherent wrongness and backwardness of other cultures, and by the same association mechanism, the wrongness and backwardness of the peoples from whom these other cultures derived. Combined with the primitive beliefs that abided, this came to represent a cruel and sometimes murderous attitude towards other peoples, even those whose ancestral fate had secured them well within the sphere of a European culture that they had themselves also adopted.

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 12:47:51 AM   
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E? have I mentioned lately that I adore you?

I have an  issue with ANY society trying to impose its values on other cultures (case in point:  the US trying to impose an American styled democracy on cultures that have been in place for eons longer than the US has been in place).

ok, stopping now.. I'm tired, semi-buzzed and plotting my move to th4e UK......






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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 2:03:46 AM   
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I think LadyE is being disingenuous in that all cultures or socio political groups tend to think that their way is superior.

It is PC thinking in extremis to turn a blind eye to the fact that this belief may well be untrue. 
 
If I see a culture that produces magnificent buildings, high level science/maths etc etc etc and so much etc it becomes larfable and then compare that with a culture that produces spears and mud huts I say those cultures are not equal.

It is also true that belief in majik and superstition seems to be a universal phenomenon. Not surprising really considering the profound mystery of life.

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 3:09:08 AM   
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awww! same here GT - you'd better be coming to live in the W Mids!

Having been up all night apart from the two hour snooze I just woke from (with my Tessy puss, from whom I also had two cuddles during the night - first in months!), I'm now trying to remember the skilful steps with which I was trying to get this thread to the desired conclusion.

Oh well, I'll leave it a while and see if anyone responds to any of the steps above first - nothing like having a conversation with yourself

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 5:19:23 AM   
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It is not always about cultures forcing their behaviour on others. IF you look at the UK...and the NEtherlands..for example..invasions (ok that is forced) made other cultures move into the country.
Later these people stayed....and cultures mingled and habbits were taken over.

ps. White European culture..is a bit double...we only have/had white people here from origin ;)

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 5:42:55 AM   
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E.. thinking Wales..

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 5:44:48 AM   
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Its not far GT, but its no good for popping round of a Saturday afternoon!


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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 5:52:42 AM   
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not even in your snazzy new car, E?

No worries.. if I go to Wales, I'll make sure to plot time to visit you regularly....

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 5:57:00 AM   
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Well, I have it on very good authority that the Welsh, living as they do in squalor and poverty to provide me with the money for a second hand Jag, would kill me if they actually saw the instrument of their oppression running down the roads.

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 6:16:45 AM   
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*snort*

no worries, E...  They'll be too busy focusing on the bloody yank to worry about you ;)

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 6:21:12 AM   
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Anywhere in mind in Wales?

I keep getting this nagging feeling this thread was about something else? Ingrained racist attitudes or something.....

still, its all good!

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 6:34:18 AM   
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Welshpool, E...

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 6:38:35 AM   
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Hey! Good choice! Been there?

Its about an hour from here to there, straight up to Shewsbury then on to the west.

Beware the bin on the way down to the canal basin though - thats where I dumped my offspring's vomit the last time we were over the border; they both got sick the day we were coming home and we'd taken a bowl with us in the car.

I also fought a battle down at the canal basin (well, on the hill behind) when we used to do reenactments. Damn long walk into town from there though

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 6:41:26 AM   
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Havent been yet, E.. but in the process of planning a trip for early next year.

*makes note.. stay away from the bin...*

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 6:48:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Tata for now.



Inflatable tatas and plastic orifices to awaken flaccid cocks reflects the profound malaise at the heart of the culture that invented them. It's like a "no-life meets death". A bon entendeur, salut.

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RE: ritual murder in South Africa - 10/18/2008 6:56:27 AM   
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Its a nice little town - and it has a bypass of sorts so you dont have the tourist traffic blocking the place - well, except on the main road in off the dual carriageway where the canal basin is. Never been shopping there, but it looks alright - and Shrewsbury is a half hour one way and you're about an hour to Chester (very rich people in Chester, so lots of good shopping, even in the charity shops!). Also just over an hour to the Welsh coast and Snowdonia where people speak Welsh as a first language - if you hear the word "saes" (sounds like sayz), theyre talking about us English! (we're still Saxon - "Saesneg" - as far as they're concerned). You also have one of the stations for the steam railway at the end of town, the other end from where the canal basin is - it runs about 15 miles further into Wales, but as you'd be living there you wont of course be going on it more than once!

Now, the Welsh name for Welshpool - you'll have to learn this one - is "Y Trallwng". Give it a go, its really not that difficult LOL!

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