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comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 8:04:07 AM   
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i went basically from a top to a slave in one jump. i never had actually submitted before. i find as a slave i am awfully bratty and continually screw it up b/c of the turmoil w/in myself, so i am going back to trying subbing,lol, yeah i know, i should have done that first.
anyway i guess my question is ---has this kind of reaction to something ever occurred with in yourself duing your struggle to find your place and what you were comfortable with?

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 8:15:50 AM   
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Ypur gone from being in total control to no control. Ofcourse you will not settle in fast...

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 8:37:29 AM   
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i definately have not made the transisiton smoothly,i am fighting this burning belly bigtime

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Ypur gone from being in total control to no control. Ofcourse you will not settle in fast...



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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:01:32 AM   
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i went basically from a top to a slave in one jump. i never had actually submitted before. i find as a slave i am awfully bratty and continually screw it up



I can't so much that I've ever been a top as far as this goes. But after all these years of being called a slave, and finding out that i was nothing but a sub. Because after talking to some on here, and what they might allow, or require. I am so far from being a slave. I've always understood there was a line between the 2. But I had no idea it was more defined. I was under the impression it was a thin line. The more I read this forum, and communicate with others. I'm finding out that line is thicker. Slave just seems to be easy to call some one than sub.

Some to most of the duties fall under the same category, but there's more to slavery in BDSM than that I was led to believe. Though some think there's no differance, I'm one that sees there is. And I don't expect all to agree with me on this either. This is just my lonely opinion.

But i find myself screwing up here and there too. But with the right person showing me when i do screw up and is patient with me. I see myself slowly being able to move closer to the line of slave. And one day i'll be able to proudly call myself a slave instead of a sub. A day I eagerly await for. But not in a hurry, because the learning is sooo much fun along the way... LOL

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:04:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

i went basically from a top to a slave in one jump. i never had actually submitted before. i find as a slave i am awfully bratty and continually screw it up b/c of the turmoil w/in myself, so i am going back to trying subbing,lol, yeah i know, i should have done that first.
anyway i guess my question is ---has this kind of reaction to something ever occurred with in yourself duing your struggle to find your place and what you were comfortable with?


Hmm, very much so. I married at the age of 22 to a very sadistic Dominant. When he fell ill, I had no choice but to become the one in charge. It was a terrible shift in roles for me, but one that I eventually found peace with. Years later, after his death, I found myself once again having to shift roles...from being in charge to giving up control again. It was an extremely hard time for me. Thankfully, the person I was with at that time, understood that patience was needed with me, and guided me slowly.

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:13:19 AM   
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But after all these years of being called a slave, and finding out that i was nothing but a sub. Because after talking to some on here, and what they might allow, or require. I am so far from being a slave. I've always understood there was a line between the 2. But I had no idea it was more defined. I was under the impression it was a thin line. The more I read this forum, and communicate with others. I'm finding out that line is thicker. Slave just seems to be easy to call some one than sub.

Some to most of the duties fall under the same category, but there's more to slavery in BDSM than that I was led to believe. Though some think there's no differance, I'm one that sees there is. And I don't expect all to agree with me on this either. This is just my lonely opinion.


You see a distinction because people *told* you there's a distinction?

There are no hard and fast definitions - this is Human Relationships here! Be what you feel. Don't let others' opinions create another One True Way-er. If you felt at the time that you were a slave, and were in relationship with someone who called you *their* slave - then you *were* a slave! No matter what others may require in *their* relationships.



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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:14:12 AM   
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This is really, really long -- and I apologize in advance for any that it might not be useful for, but once I started writing, it all came out in a blur of words

I came to where I am through a long, circuitous path. None of it was easy, and being who I am, I have to sometimes remind myself that I am where I am for a reason, and that the part of me that recognizes one's responsibilities and strives for peace and lives through compassion -must- have a home where I am in this lifestyle -- because the Universe put me here, unequivocally.

I've spent most of my life in control. I am a Virgo, and the tendency to map, plan, shape, direct, and mold run deep in me. When I first entered service, I was still somewhat young -- barely over 20 --, and it was required by the spiritual path I'd chosen. I was thrown into it, as a novitiate acolyte, and there was no coming up for air, unless I decided to quit. I knew I couldn't quit, so I had to figure a way through it. I spent 10 years in various levels of this exploration, before I ever came to the lifestyle.

Many times, I felt resentment, anger, and frustration at being in the position that I was in. Every time, the thing that got me through was the reminder that I had commited to this, and had dedicated my life to it. I released my resentment to empower the goal, and found myself freed of the need to fight back and struggle against my bonds. When I stopped struggling, slowly, the bonds stopped "chafing", and they became.... hmmmm... perhaps jewelry would be a good word -- they became beautiful reminders of the dedication that I'd commited to.

When I moved into House Bladewing, I came there as a slave. It was different, in that I wasn't expected to yield to the ideal anymore, but to actual PEOPLE. Again, I felt that resentment rising -- the expectation that they should be giving me something tangible for everything that I was doing for them. Again, the bonds of my servitude chafed. I often got angry, in private, and felt mis-used... couldn't they see how valuable I was, and how much I wanted to serve? Didn't it matter that I wanted them to use me in so many ways that they were -ignoring-?

In the end, just like at the monastary, I had to let go of my preconceptions of what my slavery to this household -should have- been like. I had to go all the way back to taking each and every moment and cherishing it for what it -was-, rather than for my expectation of what it -should have- been. Over time, fulfillment came, not from getting everything that I wanted, but from learning about myself and finding out that even in this place, where the ideal was represented in physical form, that it was still something inherent in me that recognized the call to serve... and this was when I earned my elevation to alpha... when I understood that, even in leadership, there is service and responsibility.

When I could work from that place all the time, and the petty frustrations and disappointments in life didn't either make me feel guilty (I should have done more) or angry (How could they do this to me???), another change happened, and I was released from my indenture to the House and welcomed as an Owner. If you'd asked me if I was ready for this, I probably would have told you you were crazy to even think that anyone would give me the chance. After all, I'd learned that responsibility to one's service is an inherent part of my nature. I had never -not- seen myself in service to the spiritual community and household that I was a part of, and thought that that would always keep me in the title of "servant", even if it was "alpha servant".

One of the most difficult things for me, in the course of my becoming an owner, was the whole idea that, as a leader, service changes its form, like ice becomes water, and then becomes steam... Service, now, means taking full responsibility for other lives -- the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful, and the heart-wrenching. It means being cautious with the gateway to the House, protecting all of those who are already in its shelter from my bad judgements -- at the same time, it also encompasses having the ability to direct those who rest their lives in my hands to the things that will fulfill them -- things that they cannot even see, or are not even aware could exist. I have to have enough experience to have vision beyond where they are able to see, in order to direct our communal course.

Are we ever ready for profound change? No..probably not. All of us, I think, struggle with whether we are where we need to be, and what to do to get there. Seek your bliss. If you know what you are looking for, the right hands will come to help you to get there.

Lady Zephyr

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

i went basically from a top to a slave in one jump. i never had actually submitted before. i find as a slave i am awfully bratty and continually screw it up b/c of the turmoil w/in myself, so i am going back to trying subbing,lol, yeah i know, i should have done that first.
anyway i guess my question is ---has this kind of reaction to something ever occurred with in yourself duing your struggle to find your place and what you were comfortable with?


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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:14:34 AM   
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Why did you change your role in the first place?

Be well,
Julie

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:20:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist



Hmm, very much so. I married at the age of 22 to a very sadistic Dominant. When he fell ill, I had no choice but to become the one in charge. It was a terrible shift in roles for me, but one that I eventually found peace with. Years later, after his death, I found myself once again having to shift roles...from being in charge to giving up control again. It was an extremely hard time for me. Thankfully, the person I was with at that time, understood that patience was needed with me, and guided me slowly.



This is were I too relate as well. After my former Master went back to vanilla life. I found myself a single mother and having to take control and take charge of everything about my whole life and the life of the whole household. Now that the years have past and everyones gotten older and more independent, not needing as much anymore. I find myself ready to move back to where I feel more at home and comfortable.

This transaction is slow in coming about. Because i still have "live ins" so to speak and it makes time frames and others things a little hard at times to agree on or be available. On line or off line. But I try the best I can on these things.

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:40:42 AM   
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well i dont get angry in private, i get bratty,i never even knew i had brat in me till now.i find every excuse in the book to try to keep a master distant from me b/c my inner slave is scared of all of it, the giving up control , the bond that i want, the trust needed to have it..i am fighting it kicking and screaming.....and it hurts.
thank you Lady Zepher for your words....


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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

When I moved into House Bladewing, I came there as a slave. It was different, in that I wasn't expected to yield to the ideal anymore, but to actual PEOPLE. Again, I felt that resentment rising -- the expectation that they should be giving me something tangible for everything that I was doing for them. Again, the bonds of my servitude chafed. I often got angry, in private, and felt mis-used... couldn't they see how valuable I was, and how much I wanted to serve? Didn't it matter that I wanted them to use me in so many ways that they were -ignoring-?


Are we ever ready for profound change? No..probably not. All of us, I think, struggle with whether we are where we need to be, and what to do to get there. Seek your bliss. If you know what you are looking for, the right hands will come to help you to get there.

Lady Zephyr

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

i went basically from a top to a slave in one jump. i never had actually submitted before. i find as a slave i am awfully bratty and continually screw it up b/c of the turmoil w/in myself, so i am going back to trying subbing,lol, yeah i know, i should have done that first.
anyway i guess my question is ---has this kind of reaction to something ever occurred with in yourself duing your struggle to find your place and what you were comfortable with?




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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:43:17 AM   
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i wasn't fulfilled as a top, my bottom was training me to please him.in essence i did it out of service b/c he was actually the dominant one

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Why did you change your role in the first place?

Be well,
Julie




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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:47:30 AM   
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he understands why i do it and in the meantime i still fight the slaves belly but perhaps subbing is more in order. i have a good Sir that help me through this..i just dont understand why the hell it was so hard when it was something i had wanted...trust and control are much more to me than i thought perhaps it is the level of submission that i fight. just kind of at a loss right now and needed advice from others who have had similiar experiences to share....thanks

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist


quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

i went basically from a top to a slave in one jump. i never had actually submitted before. i find as a slave i am awfully bratty and continually screw it up b/c of the turmoil w/in myself, so i am going back to trying subbing,lol, yeah i know, i should have done that first.
anyway i guess my question is ---has this kind of reaction to something ever occurred with in yourself duing your struggle to find your place and what you were comfortable with?


Hmm, very much so. I married at the age of 22 to a very sadistic Dominant. When he fell ill, I had no choice but to become the one in charge. It was a terrible shift in roles for me, but one that I eventually found peace with. Years later, after his death, I found myself once again having to shift roles...from being in charge to giving up control again. It was an extremely hard time for me. Thankfully, the person I was with at that time, understood that patience was needed with me, and guided me slowly.



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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:51:58 AM   
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You see a distinction because people *told* you there's a distinction?

There are no hard and fast definitions - this is Human Relationships here! Be what you feel. Don't let others' opinions create another One True Way-er. If you felt at the time that you were a slave, and were in relationship with someone who called you *their* slave - then you *were* a slave! No matter what others may require in *their* relationships.






Well I did say someone was going to disagree with me on this.

It doesn't matter what someone told me. It's how I see things now. And as I stated, there's are different ways people look at this. Get down to it, vanilla's look at it as slavery and will lecture the aspect that it's against the law.

It's nice to have the freedom to agree and disagree with someone.

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 9:54:03 AM   
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quote:

he understands why i do it and in the meantime i still fight the slaves belly but perhaps subbing is more in order. i have a good Sir that help me through this..i just dont understand why the hell it was so hard when it was something i had wanted...trust and control are much more to me than i thought perhaps it is the level of submission that i fight. just kind of at a loss right now and needed advice from others who have had similiar experiences to share....thanks


For me, it's hard to let go because the reality is that I am still responsible for another ( family wise ). He understood this, went very patiently with me, and in doing so I was able to relinquish that last bit of control. ( I would like to point out that he understood this without a word every being spoken by me about it. He took the time to get to know me, my past, my present, etc..)

It sounds though that you are with one who understands this in the same way than mine did with me also. Eventually, the trust and respect that you feel for him will override your instincts to fight ( provided he continues in a patient manner with you ). Believe me when I say that when that moment comes, it is the most beautiful feeling in the world, and though it may not seem like it now....well worth the fight and the wait.

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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 10:05:05 AM   
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i have the family responsibilities as well as an instructor/mentor/advocate for the downtrodden sort of job.i give others strength in their life...the tools so to speak to have it...to make changes.
i do need to clarify, i am not w/ a Master anymore, i could not submit to complete control in order to please him as he needed.i still have my mentor,who is a master and my sister who helps me greatly but
i am back to Sir,who is patient and understands that i have to experience submission slowly or i will kick and scream, all the way
in many ways i feel a failure as a slave...but i am not feeling as a failure as a submissive.
but it boils down to comfort levels i guess....

**edited for typos, the brain is faster than the fingers

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 12/10/2005 10:06:58 AM >


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RE: comfort levels in a role - 12/10/2005 10:18:21 AM   
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i know for myself, i have felt as a slave, i was just no good at it,when i wasn't at his feet.he will always own part of my soul,no matter what but i was not ready for it.the conflicts of my life as is now, my past, my schemas...all of what makes me...be me...i fought the slave emotions b/c it terrifies me to belong to someone now matter how badly i yearn to crawl to him and beg to be his.

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
But after all these years of being called a slave, and finding out that i was nothing but a sub. Because after talking to some on here, and what they might allow, or require. I am so far from being a slave. I've always understood there was a line between the 2. But I had no idea it was more defined. I was under the impression it was a thin line. The more I read this forum, and communicate with others. I'm finding out that line is thicker. Slave just seems to be easy to call some one than sub.

Some to most of the duties fall under the same category, but there's more to slavery in BDSM than that I was led to believe. Though some think there's no differance, I'm one that sees there is. And I don't expect all to agree with me on this either. This is just my lonely opinion.


You see a distinction because people *told* you there's a distinction?

There are no hard and fast definitions - this is Human Relationships here! Be what you feel. Don't let others' opinions create another One True Way-er. If you felt at the time that you were a slave, and were in relationship with someone who called you *their* slave - then you *were* a slave! No matter what others may require in *their* relationships.






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