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one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 9:48:43 AM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		One of my hopes for an Obama Presidency is that it has a profound and lasting influence on black youngsters in general - and in particularly on young black lads over here and around the predominantly white world.

Its one of those "dirty subjects", and its something that has to be tiptoed around it seems, to even bring up the subject of young black people - predominantly boys - performing poorly in our education system in the UK.

From age 5 when they start school, to about age 12, black students here show no significant difference in performance compared to students of the other various ethnic backgrounds we have in our schools. After about age 12, their performance drops very significantly compared to others, and for black boys it drops more spectacularly than for their female counterparts.

There are many factors that are taken to occasion this, but they boil down to a sense of disenfranchisement in our society which no interest in or performance in education can overcome for them. This then becomes a vicious cycle that self perpetuates and strengthens over time.

I hope that Obama becoming President goes a long way towards saying to these young black students that they can achieve, they can break into the wider society, can accomplish and succeed on their merits just the same as anyone else - and that for this coming generation of black students this vicious cycle will be broken forever.

And thereby that our country and countries around the world will start to finally throw off the ridiculous and shameful racist undercurrents that linger, and with our people enabled to participate equitably in the socio-economic life of our nations, we can finally turn the page on disunity for the most bizarre of reasons.

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 9:52:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		In that regard, I hope it takes away the "because I am black" excuse factor.

However, my greatest hope is related to my primary reason for voting for him, improved foreign relations.

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 9:56:52 AM   
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One of my hopes for an Obama Presidency is that ...... 
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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 10:17:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		My great hope is we can say those damn Republicans...or those damn Democrats and the skin color have no influence on anyone.

ps...those Damn Republicans...

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 10:18:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes RS58, thanks for your mail on the other side.

I wish people wouldnt post distracting and off topic snippets to threads too.

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 10:26:32 AM   
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Yes RS58, thanks for your mail on the other side.

I wish people wouldnt post distracting and off topic snippets to threads too.

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*guilty,,but you know  I adore you*


I'm hoping for the same thing here, E...

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 10:42:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		My husband is a teacher in  a school that is 70% African-American and says that the effect is already being seen.  He says the change in his students the last 2-3 years since they've heard of Obama has been profound.  Each class is better than the last.


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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 11:05:41 AM   
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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 11:13:10 AM   
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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 11:43:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

In that regard, I hope it takes away the "because I am black" excuse factor.



while I try not to be Racist, that Pisses me off "I am black, (Asian, Hispanic etc) and so because I am you need to hand the world to me because I have been oppressed for so long"

A good friend of mine from many years ago was a black police officer, and he told me that the whole "I am black" thing sickened him. That he would go into black neighborhoods and immediately be labeled sell out or "Uncle Tom" because he was doing his job.

He told me that he had a young black man tell him that "The Man was keeping him Down" and he looked dead in his eyes and told him, "The only person keeping you down is YOU!"


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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 11:43:59 AM   
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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 12:36:56 PM   
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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 12:47:03 PM   
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I seem to recall that the highest performing students are Asian girls.

I would be thrilled to hold an asian gal up high and watch her perform...oops, off topic...lol.

Seriously; Ellen makes a good point...role models can go a long way in proving a possibility of success.

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 12:47:23 PM   
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Too many young black males grow up in households led by mothers and run wild without a father to discipline them.
See, *Discipline* is important!

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 12:50:24 PM   
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I seem to recall that the highest performing students are Asian girls.

They are also very fun to watch perform.

I mean ... ummm...

As for the hopes for an Obama presidency, maybe he'll fool me and not be like all the others.  I still fear that he will prove no different from any of the others.  Say good stuff to get into office then forget about it all.

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 1:14:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

In that regard, I hope it takes away the "because I am black" excuse factor.



while I try not to be Racist, that Pisses me off "I am black, (Asian, Hispanic etc) and so because I am you need to hand the world to me because I have been oppressed for so long"

A good friend of mine from many years ago was a black police officer, and he told me that the whole "I am black" thing sickened him. That he would go into black neighborhoods and immediately be labeled sell out or "Uncle Tom" because he was doing his job.

He told me that he had a young black man tell him that "The Man was keeping him Down" and he looked dead in his eyes and told him, "The only person keeping you down is YOU!"



that attitude turns me off as well.  No one is 'owed"  show me the money. 


I am glad that a good role model is here.  Black men have had a hard time and backed into a corner. If you tell a person they are bad, BAD BAD..after a while that is the expected outcome.

I view alot of talent that has been unrealized. Not only for the Afircan American race, but for humanity as a whole.

We should never assume that we have discovered all there is to discover, ..that no other ethnic can show us a better way.   Quite the opposite.

I dont think whites should be afraid of an Obama presidency.   Thats my outlook.

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 1:21:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good role models will inspire people for years.   I am encouraged by the more active participation of younger voters in this election.

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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 1:26:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

In that regard, I hope it takes away the "because I am black" excuse factor.

However, my greatest hope is related to my primary reason for voting for him, improved foreign relations.


[takes a deep breath..., exhales slowly..., counts to 10...]

I sometimes wonder if there are ANY black people on these message boards with the guts to challenge some of the racial and racist BS that passes for commentary on here.

I've done my share.  Not my job.  It's somebody else's turn...

Life is too short to use it up trying to disabuse white people of their fantasies of superiority.

I would hope that an Obama presidency would take away the "white privilege" factor, but even Dr. King couldn't dream THAT dream!



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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 1:49:18 PM   
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RE: one of my hopes for an Obama Presidency - 10/18/2008 2:27:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

In that regard, I hope it takes away the "because I am black" excuse factor.

However, my greatest hope is related to my primary reason for voting for him, improved foreign relations.


[takes a deep breath..., exhales slowly..., counts to 10...]

I sometimes wonder if there are ANY black people on these message boards with the guts to challenge some of the racial and racist BS that passes for commentary on here.

I've done my share.  Not my job.  It's somebody else's turn...

Life is too short to use it up trying to disabuse white people of their fantasies of superiority.

I would hope that an Obama presidency would take away the "white privilege" factor, but even Dr. King couldn't dream THAT dream!





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