sunshinemiss
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ORIGINAL: beeble
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sunshinemiss wrote:
heck, we do this all the time. The alarm clock rings, we get up. Phone rings, we answer it. Dog barks, we look up. Boss walks in the door, we sweat. hear a song, start to dance.
Your first three examples aren't Pavlovian. Getting up and answering telephones are conscious decisions -- consider the number of times you hit snooze and roll over, or ignore the phone. Attempting to identify a possible threat is a natural (i.e., not conditioned) reaction of almost all animals.
beeble
are you kidding? Do you know how many people answer the phone without thinking? I'll grant you that in this day and age of identifying who is calling it is less common, but not everyone has that ability. Hitting the snooze, ok YOU have a different conditioned response than I do. As for identifying a threat? Come on... we tell dogs all the time "hush" but we don't really look for a threat. If the dog is going crazy, yes, but generally speaking it's a conditioned response.
Now, as far as Pavlov. Pavlov was not a behaviorist. He was studying something completely different. He found that when people came in and rang the bell with food, the dogs salivate. The ringing of the bell, no food, created the salivating in the dogs. Same thing. And might I add... some dogs responded to the stimuli stronger than others.
The bottom line of pavlovian conditioning is to pair one stimulus with another that creates a reaction and then the original stimulus will create the reaction. Bell + food = salivation because the food creates salivation.... THEN Bell only creates salivation. The exciting part happens when the conditioned response (the salivation) happens without the pairing of the stimulus (the food) that creates the reaction. Only the conditioned stimulus (the bell) creates the reaction. Then intermittently pairing the stimuli makes for the response. That is how gambling gets you! ooo exciting!
and to the OP: Thanks for the compliment. Glad you enjoyed the profile.
Have fun but be careful.
sunshine
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