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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/4/2004 5:17:23 PM

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You know what is divisive? One part of the USA looking down on another part. Last night I watched Last Comic Standing. There was an African American comic who grew up in New York, lived in Los Angeles and his whole line was visiting the University of South Alabama (in Mobile) and how afraid he was and how backward the south is. I'm quite tired of it. Went on a cruise a few years ago. One night the entertainment was a comic whose whole line was how pathetic the south is. Very funny. Yes, we have a lot of poor people here. Are there not poor people in other parts of the country? Yes, we have a lot of poorly educated people here. I find that everywhere I go.

As far as the school system, they are doing the best that they can with what they have. The main problem is children spend most of their time with their parents. Parents have far more influence on children's choices about learning and behavior than the school does. I used to work with a man who graduated from college and yet he talked and wrote as though he had never had a grammar lesson in his life. He talked like his parents. That over-rode any lesson any teacher gave him. He could have changed it if he had been motivated enough. However, there was no need for him to change since he was my supervisor. He was as high in the government as he was ever going to get. Perhaps if a promotion had depended on his ability to express himself well, he would have been motivated to work on it.

I agree that some posts are so filled with poor writing and spelling that I just skip them. Some people are from other countries and they are doing the best that they can. I'm pretty much impressed that they can handle two languages at all, much less well. But I'm also impressed by someone who writes clearly and well. I have yet to be disappointed in a post by sfgrrl. They are always well organized and well written.

And that is my 2 cents worth.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/4/2004 5:57:59 PM

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Discrete, extream etc are just simple words but spelled wrongly too often. FYI the correct spellings are discreet and extreme.

dis·creet ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-skrt)
adj.
Marked by, exercising, or showing prudence and wise self-restraint in speech and behavior; circumspect.
Free from ostentation or pretension; modest.

dis·crete ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-skrt)
adj.
Constituting a separate thing. See Synonyms at distinct.
Consisting of unconnected distinct parts.
Mathematics. Defined for a finite or countable set of values; not continuous.

www.dictionary.com.

They are both correctly spelled words which mean different things.

The problem is many people want a discreet relationship with a discrete individual. Not vice versa. Well, I suppose they could want vice versa if they wanted one relationship with somebody or somebodies who dont kiss and tell.

It is all so perplexing.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/4/2004 6:00:55 PM

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quote:

fora

Word processor?

Are the postings on fauna too?

I agree with you, sorta. There is a difference between an occaisonal trypo, or Bitish spelling of colour and really uninteligable stuff.

Still I think if you are going to suggest using a word processor to splelll check, maybe you'd does that youself.

Anyway, your glass house makes a real tempting target for rock throwers.

Yes, M'Lady, I'm going to bed. Just installing a firewall and it is taking forever.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/4/2004 6:00:56 PM

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I'm not equating literacy with intelligence, I can see the intelligence out there, I just can't make sense out of it all

Yesterday, our local paper had a headline "Bush seeks Intelligence Czar."

Ironically, somebody months ago had put a sticker on the news stand
so all you could see was

"BUSH SEEKS INTELLIGENCE"

I almost died laughing.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 8:30:47 AM

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and that says a lot for the state of schooling today

Part of the problem here in the USA is that the politically correct crowd has gotten hold of the reins, so to speak. If little Johnny cant spell, well, we cant correct him because that would hurt his self esteem, and we wouldnt want little johnny to feel bad about himself. Pbbbffffttttttttt <shaking head in disgust>

It is my feeling that little Johnny would have much greater self esteem in the future if he had a good grasp on the basics of spelling and grammar and therefore could communicate in an intelligent manner.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 9:20:29 AM

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I couldn't agree with you more Thanatosian. There are some high schools who have done away with The Valedictorian because it would make students feel bad if they weren't nominated. It seems the biggest dopes these days are our educators.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 9:23:54 AM

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Or just the opposite!

Around here the high schools regularly have twenty or more valedictorians! Lots of straight A's, I guess.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 9:26:16 AM

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I think it all depends on the state in which we live. How much they are willing to devopte to education. In California we have taken a great many hits here the past few years.

Whatever happened to that lotto money anyway?

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 10:47:38 AM

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In reply to sub4hire.. .I think the same goes over here re schooling/political agenda as well. I'm sure our government put it high on their last manifesto as well as health as well as... ad infinitum.. but there's only so much money to go round and they divert it to err.. less healthy projects.

And we have the same type of problems with truancy that you mentioned, except we don't really have any hillbillies .. just sink estates and general apathy.. and yes, that's generalising somewhat but there seems to be a lack of motivation in certain areas, certainly in the UK.

I know if anyone at my old school had attempted to truant, their parents would have made sure it never happened twice! There's really no easy answer when families priorities lie elsewhere I suppose but it is a sorry state of world affairs... *sighs*...

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 10:50:51 AM

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Thanatosian

We have the same do-gooder politics over here in the UK, there's no discipline of any kind in our schools either. Teachers are afraid to admonish verbally, never mind physically, and if they do tell off a pupil, they can end up in court for.. yep, hurting little Johnny's feelings. No matter if little Johnny is the biggest thug out, he's a kid so he's sensitive...

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 11:49:39 AM

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I'm not sure I'm going to agree that the problem with the education system is the "Government", or the "system" at all. My father went to the third grade. Yeah, one of "those" stories. lol He is a very successful, incredibly wealthy, and socially respected man. When I would come home from school every day he would have me sit down immediately to do my homework. I would then have to go over it with him. He also required me to do handwriting excersizes. With both hands. I was required to learn five new words a day, and use them in a sentence.

I don't believe we can just send our children to school and say, "Here are my children, educate them." We must be realistically interactive.

Re Little Johnny...Oh he's a mean little boy! lol

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 12:04:12 PM

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This is mostly off the topic of the thread, but my personal pet peeve is "nouning" adjectives. I am not a submissive. I am a submissive woman. I do not have a Dominant, I have a dominant partner.

However, I can't spell, and I have no problem using "Sir" as a proper name in some circumstances.

Heh, I guess we each have our personal issues.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/5/2004 12:56:20 PM

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I gotta disagree with the knee jerk conservative response. I have 12 year old son and an 8 year old daughter. In first grade and kindergarten "creative spelling" was a way to tell the child it is not correct without calling the child a moron. Both children now spell things more normally, but if Johnny never can get "P" on psychiatrist or grows up spelling "afrodisiac" is reason for telling my daughter she's fucking idiot, everyone knows it not spelled "skool".

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/6/2004 3:20:27 AM

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I don't know about other parts in the US. I've only worked with children in DC, Philly, Brooklyn and Trenton. In my limited experience, a major problem (not necessarily the be-all and end-all) in education/literacy is a vicious cycle that rotates around lack of resources. A lot of public schools just don't have the resources to provide quality education. Even if the teachers have all the motivation, there aren't enough to provide the attention and guidance needed to each individual when there are 63 students, who are often severely attention-starved already (parents each work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet).

The teachers i've worked with, who are among the most patient and giving people i've ever met, often complain that they are required to spend so much time on discipline and bureaucratic miscellany (can't afford administrative staff) that they have scanty energy and time to actually teach. Add to that all the other woes of inner-city problems, and it's really not a pretty environment to learn in.

Better-off families can usually afford to send their children to richer-districts' schools or private schools, so poorer communities' schools are left to slide into a rather dire state. Then these poorer schools are pestered time and again by authorities who want 'better stats', but who do not or cannot deliver the assistance needed.

Lowering standards for GEDs or graduation is of course not a solution. Even the people who only pass because of such lowering know that. If anything, the poorer districts suffer from such standards, because whatever authorities there are can thus easily pass them by, and pretend to not notice the rat-infested corridors, leaking ceilings, and all that jamble. Problem is, what is the solution, if there is any? I really haven't the inklingest.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/6/2004 3:32:04 AM

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Then again, if I was an old-school speller, the uncapitalized i in your post would give me fits, and so would the C/cyberprotocol.

Hopefully i haven't given any old-schoolers fits. I chose to use lowercase 'i' a long time ago, before i even had an email account, or knew about D/s jargon, simply because it seemed somewhat absurd to capitalize the first person singular pronoun, and none other. Capitalizing second or third person pronouns was too cheesy, so this stubborn pseudo-semantician de-capitalized 1st-sing. instead. Otherwise i'm pretty old fashioned in terms of grammatic conventions.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/6/2004 2:08:14 PM

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I agree. We need more resources were they matter.

Now the sarcasm not aimed at you.

The only way to get more resources to the school is move the bureaucracy higher up. First we create a state department of education, then a federal one. I got an idea! Let's name an education Czar getting $200,000 a year with a full staff and maybe he can figure out why there is a lack of funding.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/6/2004 9:31:33 PM

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spell checks are great if you know the freaking work your trying to type, but guess what at times it gives you more then one possible spelling and if you don't know the differeance between them your out of luck big time.

so to me spell checks are good if you can spell to start with, but if you can't spell the word in the first place then for-get-it.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/7/2004 9:03:34 AM

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Vix,

The topic has been hashed and rehashed here. If I'm echoing others' sentiment, do pardon me. I haven't read the entire thread.

Yes, I agree that it would be nice to see better grammar. Just this morning I made a post about the difference between "prostrate" and "prostate." You will find there are a number of people on this very forum who are so committed to their own version of english grammar that they are difficult to understand. I figure they don't really want to be understood so I usually don't read their posts.

I would like to tell you that the whole Y/you stuff makes me nuts. It's too difficult to read and not standard usage. I'm not a participant in the "referring to dominants is always in caps" stuff either. As I've said before, I write for business and have no interest in retraining myself to use poor sentence structure simply for the BDSM political correctness of it all, only to have to retrain myself every day at work.

As sherri would say, "How do you say Y/you anyway??? Is it a stutter?"

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/7/2004 9:16:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyBeckett

I don't believe we can just send our children to school and say, "Here are my children, educate them." We must be realistically interactive.

Well said.

One of the reasons I spell as well as I do (and I certainly reference a dictionary often enough and still get it wrong) is because both of my parents were prolific readers themselves. I grew up with reading being modelled to me. Also, when I was very young my parents tried to spell things to each other they didn't want us to know. That didn't last very long at all.

When my son got old enough to start balking at a bed time I made a deal with him: You can stay awake as long as you like as long as you are in bed and reading. I don't care what you are reading (and I meant that...and yes, he tested it) as long as you are reading. He fell asleep with his light on maybe three times. Then the newness wore off, he'd read until he was tired and turn his light out and go to sleep. He is still a prolific reader (he'll be 25 in December), spells rather well and his grammar is better than much of what I've seen online.

Neither he nor I went to high school at all. We both were 'difficult' adolscents and got our GEDs as soon as we were old enough to do so.

<shrug> Go figgah.

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RE: Come on Dominas, Doms, subs, slaves etc - 8/7/2004 9:21:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: NightDaughter

spell checks are great if you know the freaking work your trying to type, but guess what at times it gives you more then one possible spelling and if you don't know the differeance between them your out of luck big time.

so to me spell checks are good if you can spell to start with, but if you can't spell the word in the first place then for-get-it.

It's probably obvious in my posts but I never spell check. I do go to the dictionary a lot, though. That way I can get my spelling and an insight into whether I'm using the word correctly.

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