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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Boy, so many people trying to tell us that Obama is (not) a Socialist these days.
Why are they going out of their way I wonder?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

No Popeye it is you missing the point here.Foreign Aid is necessary,now if you want to call it an evil...fine...but be realistic enough to recognise it as a necessary evil.We are not alone on this globe...America First party went out of vogue for a reason my friend.

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ORIGINAL: Steponme73

Obama leans to far to the left for me.  Socialism is just around the corner now anyway.  We don't need a president that is going to push us further in that direction.  I was against the bail out of wall street and still am.  I was against the bail out of AIG!  What a fiasco!  The free market system will correct itself.  It may be painful in the short run, but it will work itself into a better climate.  Having the government step in is a horrible idea.  They are trying to stave off the short term hurt and are not looking at the long term consquences.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
It is not part of the job description (job title, or whatever) for *our government* to be giving *our money* to foreign countries.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Strictly speaking Popeye,I don't care what 99% of the American people say when they are asked what they think of Foreign Aid....
a)phrase a question in one way and you will get the answer you desire.....yanno 4 out of 5 dentist's  prefer Trident...ask those same dentist's if gum is good for your teeth and 5 out of 5 will say no
b) we elect our leaders to at times make difficult decisions based on the common good...not some fucking polling information.....and I would be shocked if you didn't know that.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So you choose to just disregard my comments about how polls are done...okay.let me ask you Popeye,what do you think the "people will say when they are asked a simplistic question like..."how do you feel about sending your tax dollars overseas"....see how that works ,no context   = knee jerk reaction answer.And that is the basis on which you want decisions made.If you don't mind count me as part of the 1%,I would rather my elected officials gather all the information,weigh the pros and cons...look at all the angels and then do whats best for the country...without worrying about their polling numbers.That my friend is called Political courage...and it is sorely needed today.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Or, to be more precise, a Libertarian Socialist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

An alternative to Capitalism
http://www.libertariansocialism.net/

One man's journey from Libertarianism to LS.
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/wilson_1.html

The term "Libertarianism" was co-opted.

Read about the original Diggers in the UK circa 1650 or so.


Addendum: there's some funny but oh-so-true stuff here
:http://world.std.com/~mhuben/onelesson.html
"Libertarianism in One Lesson".
Om Mani Padme Om is so Sixties. The new mantra is "Government Does Not Work"
Some other great stuff there too.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So you choose to just disregard my comments about how polls are done...okay.let me ask you Popeye,what do you think the "people will say when they are asked a simplistic question like..."how do you feel about sending your tax dollars overseas"....see how that works ,no context   = knee jerk reaction answer.And that is the basis on which you want decisions made.If you don't mind count me as part of the 1%,I would rather my elected officials gather all the information,weigh the pros and cons...look at all the angels and then do whats best for the country...without worrying about their polling numbers.That my friend is called Political courage...and it is sorely needed today.

Well gee Slvemike, why don't we just cut out the middleman and have a dictatorship?
I don't understand your disdain for the American People and voters.
You seem to be saying that they are ignorant and need to be "lead" by the govt instead of telling the govt what they want "them" to do.
And, we don't elect the hired help to make decisions, it's a "messenger" position not a management position. They serve at our pleasure to do our bidding.
"Political courage?"
In the D.P.S. (dreaded private sector) if you don't do what you're told you get fired.
Anyone in politics who "votes their conscience" should be impeached.
They are there to do what we fucking tell them to do.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Not to mention bullshit meant to distract and divide....McCain is running a campaign drawn from the tried and true Republican playbook...devide,distract and most of all demonize....classic stuff this......aint working but classic stuff all the same.

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In the United States, the movement most commonly called libertarianism follows a capitalist philosophy; the term libertarian socialism therefore strikes many Americans as inconsistent.