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Termyn8or -> RE: At what point do we turn (socialist) ? (10/20/2008 11:14:06 AM)
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I agree Mus, it just that we should admit it and take kindly to certain types of intervention.
For some unknown reason some assholes can bomb the WTC and turn this into a damnear police state as they take away Citizens' rights. But things that can have a much greater impact on our well being are left in the hands of greedy maniacs who would step on their Mother's throat for a dollar.
The first step is for people to realize that we are not equal, nor the same, and that the qualified are not always placed correctly. If I were CEO of AIG about six tears ago I would have issued a letter stating that we are no longer buying any debt without certain qualifications. Fukum, we are making money anyway.
Carl Tenk, ex boss of my Father (Austrian immigrant). His son was being groomed to run the company and he committed a faux pas. Carl's words to his namesake "Carl, ve are in business to make money, not to LOSE money".
That was a small business though, perhaps grossed five or ten million a year. They had to stand on their own, and Carl, an Austrian immigrant would probably go without food to avoid taking a handout. Where are the people like this ?
I'll tell you where, in unemployment lines and behind the counter at the grocery. This is because the government made it more attractive to outsource to China Inc than to produce anything.
Remember old stereos ? Old pre-Chatsworth Marantz stereo equipment. Highly coveted if you have one that works. They were made here. They cost good money and haven't really depreciated. Yes you can go to eBay and get a Marantz reciever for cheap, but it is a post Chatsworth Marantz. It still had it's merits because of superior design, but is still a foreign product. When you look for a real US made Marantz, forget the checkbook, get a credit card out.
You don't see many model T Fords driving around, but you don't see any Czeckoslovakin Skodas driving around at all. Chrysler imported them in the 1950s. Why ?
I'll tell you something else that you might find hard to believe, but some simple research can bear out the facts. And what exact point this proves, I will leave up to you.
In the days of slavery, there were plenty of US Citizens willing to work. They were starving or just barely eeking out an existence. There were no jobs for them, but there were. When you hire a Man for a job, you pay him and so what, everything is fine. People would travel for good jobs just as they do now. Some say the White Man did not want to pick cotton, but the fact is they would have done anything to feed themselves and their families.
Overall, it was cheaper just to hire people rather than to hire slaves, but someone sold them on the idea. When you hire a Man, if he gets sick he does not come to work and therefore does not get paid. If you own a slave you must pay for the medicine or whatever or lose your investment. Not to mention that you have to beat some of them half to death to get them to answer to "Toby" instead of "Kunta Kinte". You always had the possibility of runaways, and there was just about a plethora of problems associated with owning slaves.
Just like now, they are sold on the idea of having everything made in China. They make more money now, but in the long run it is a bad idea. Technically it is the same thing.
Slavery was brought to our shores by people who could sell that quick buck, and I also believe they had an ulterior, more sinister motive in mind. Other than making money, there is more.
When people are enslaved they are uneducated. The uneducated are easier to manipulte and control. The slave traders were operating internationally and saw it as an opportunity to get ahead while making money. In that they were pioneers in social development.
In any civilized country they knew that slavery would eventually be abolished, and folks, the US was not the first place this has happened. As the ruling class practices eugenics, they delight in the fact that we miscenigate (sp) and overall, with their money we are easier to buy.
In essence, all the companies that make your toys are slavers, it has just become more sophisticated. We don't need the Chinese grunt here, just put the factory over there. Then we can pollute their land and do pretty much what we want. There is not much difference.
How different is it really ? Now the American worker has discovered that here, good performance is not rewarded, in fact sometimes quite the opposite. What did you expect people to do ? They actually responded in a logical way. If I can make the same money as the next guy and produce less, why shouldn't I ?
These factors all combined are what got us into this mess, and when the idea became making money off of money, of course people jumped at it. Do you blame them ? Hard work doesn't pay off, being smart and honest doesn't pay off, loyalty defies the laws of gravity because when it goes up it does not come back down, so what are they suposed to do ?
They speak of American laziness and glut, but when you stop rewarding achievers and denying those rewards to those who are not, what conclusion can be drawn ? The only conclusion is that achievement does not pay, so why waste the time on it ?
You see, these problems are very deep rooted in society, and that makes them very hard to solve. Of course people didn't say no. But why was the question asked ?
These problems are also deep rooted in our own mind. I say I am the top earner where I work, and I don't know anyone who doesn't think the same of themselves. They say "I did twice as much work as the other guy", but then you talk to the other guy and find out it was a bunch of crap. That is our mentality ?
I AM the top earner at our shop because I work on things that cost five grand, not five hundred. I got numbers, but again and again people tell me they are the best employee the company ever had, which is simply not true. They might see it that way, but that doesn't make it true.
But that was spawned by so many bad decisions it is not funny. People came to this attitude because success was not properly rewarded and failure was not properly punished. Over decades they learned that it's not what you know but who you know. Idiots promoted ahead of competent people, relatives getting into the board of directors when the guy who really makes the company work is given a three percent raise. How would you respond to a situation like that ? And after years of subjugating them to this type of system we now wonder why the American worker is not as productive as he could be.
Give me a break, what did you expect ?
And now, we are pretty much lame. We might build a car, but it has many foreign coponents.We can't build a TV or an ipod, or it seems almost anything else, except paper clips. The strawbosses over in China will not attack the paperclip industry because paper is becoming a thing of the past.
China, a slave nation pretty much eh ? Lots of cars on the roads there, lots of TVs and toys in those huts or houses or whatever those primatives live in.
One thing though, a few years ago the head of China's equivalent of the FDA took a bribe and allowed a drug on the market, about a half a dozen people died from it. They executed him. In the US he would have been promoted. Got to keep those slaves in good shape, now that we produce nothing just about, where is their incentive to protect us ? Because they certainly don't and that is why I have a gun.
Get it through your head, it is us and them. If you think you are them because you make a million a year, think again, you are dogmeat. You are nothing. That is how the world works. Get used to it.
In other aspects, keep yourself alive because I think what happens next is going to be quite interesting.
T
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