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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 1:18:31 PM   
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I didn't see the OP as talking about emotional needs though... only play or SM or BDSM or scene desires or needs really. The idea that you'd top someone when you didn't feel like to satisfy them.

I know, I know, I'm being very picky here about dividing up things into SM and Ds, topping vs domming, but that's how I read the OP.


Yes, but the OP is written by a person with a lifestyle and viewpoint that doen't necessarily apply to all of us.  Akasha doesn't do the maintenance topping because she also doesn't do other forms of maintenance.  The daily lives and emotional wellbeing and needs of her bottoms are not her concern.  She doesn't live with them, she's never going to live with them, her sexual pleasure in them is a completely dispensable luxury, and no single one of them really "matters".  They are party favors.  She can take or leave them.  If one of them blows the popsicle stand, there's always another.

I do not have this relationship with my submissive--or with any man in my life.

When your dominance is completely tangental to a sub or bottom, not central, and their submission is completely disposable in your life--then of course you should only meet and play when "the mood" strikes.  "The mood" is the only basis for the D/S, top/bottom relationship at all.

Sorry, but not all of us have this nice neat D/S, top/bottom split in our lives.  Akasha's daily physical and emotional needs are tended to by her husband.  By her own accounts, he isn't a masochist per se and has no needs as a bottom--in fact, he's the one who struggles to meet HER needs as a top, when he does bottom to her.

If her husband had masochistic and submissive needs, and those needs were more frequent than her own urges--I'll bet she would top him for maintenance occasionally.  She'd be crazy not to--he's the one who matters to her. 



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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 1:35:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
I didn't see the OP as talking about emotional needs though... only play or SM or BDSM or scene desires or needs really. The idea that you'd top someone when you didn't feel like to satisfy them.

I know, I know, I'm being very picky here about dividing up things into SM and Ds, topping vs domming, but that's how I read the OP.


Yes, but the OP is written by a person with a lifestyle and viewpoint that doen't necessarily apply to all of us.  Akasha doesn't do the maintenance topping because she also doesn't do other forms of maintenance.  The daily lives and emotional wellbeing and needs of her bottoms are not her concern.  She doesn't live with them, she's never going to live with them, her sexual pleasure in them is a completely dispensable luxury, and no single one of them really "matters".  They are party favors.  She can take or leave them.  If one of them blows the popsicle stand, there's always another.

I do not have this relationship with my submissive--or with any man in my life.

When your dominance is completely tangental to a sub or bottom, not central, and their submission is completely disposable in your life--then of course you should only meet and play when "the mood" strikes.  "The mood" is the only basis for the D/S, top/bottom relationship at all.

Sorry, but not all of us have this nice neat D/S, top/bottom split in our lives.  Akasha's daily physical and emotional needs are tended to by her husband.  By her own accounts, he isn't a masochist per se and has no needs as a bottom--in fact, he's the one who struggles to meet HER needs as a top, when he does bottom to her.

If her husband had masochistic and submissive needs, and those needs were more frequent than her own urges--I'll bet she would top him for maintenance occasionally.  She'd be crazy not to--he's the one who matters to her. 




Fortunately for me, yes, my husband is wired more vanilla than masochist, and his kinky drive is nothing compared to mine - yet, he has a very deep desire to serve/sacrifice for my pleasure, so that rubs me in all the right ways.  He might miss the *attention*, especially if I am topping other men (he gets jealous, but we're working through that), but he doesn't wake up with masochistic hungers, and he finds great fulfillment in keeping me happy in all ways, not just sexually/BDSM-ily.   He gets an admitted rush from the adrenalin and the closeness that comes from intense and unpredictable power exchange, but he does not have any interest in submitting to other women or viewing any kinky porn on the topic - so yeah, it's not really in his wiring.  Devotion is. And being the courageous object of cruel and intense lust - he doesn't mind that one bit.  He likes the attention, and he likes being the oject of desire capable of pleasing me that way.

But, I started this thread really reflecting on several of my past relationships, not as top/bottom but as girlfriend/boyfriend, and yeah, some worked fine, and others felt smothering when a bottom wanted way more attention than I felt like giving, and I can't manfacture that kind of lust authentically.  But most of all, as I admitted earlier in this thread, a lot could have been maturity issues; we're talking guys in their early 20s. And a less mature me, in my late 20s.

However, still, as selfish as it sounds, I can't see myself ever faking topping if I am not in the mood with a partner. But the kind of subs that I tend to click with don't like that either - so it comes down to good communication. I've had so many years to analyze how my desires fluctuate - from running on an "idle" type speed which is all the time to the 'rev up' points where it's ravenous and exciting.  I like it when it's raw and real.  Some subs want more constant attention.  That's simply bad chemistry.  Still, if a bottom/submissive can recognize that good things come to those that wait, it's always been better for both, in my experience. I can't help the way my desires are wired. I don't dominate for "fun." I do it from a more animal place. I prefer to let that hunger tell me when and where, rather than just try to put on a face and go through the motions.

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 1:41:33 PM   
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I have and will again, done things in a moment that I wasn't into because my spouse and submissive needed something, but I quickly get into the mood!  I enjoy what I do.  Now, if he is manipulating the situation... it will be a very cold day in a very hot place before I give him what he wants.  I will first address his manipulation and if it is something he repeats... I am considering that as a problem and one that will be addressed and stopped or we stop.  That is an insult to the relationship in my book and a lack of respect if someone I am with thinks they can and should be able to get away with manipulating me.

I love my submissive.  I want him happy and well adjusted and balanced.  If he needs a spanking say, and I wasn't in the mood or whatever... I know he will suffer if it goes on for too long.  So yes, I will spank, but like I said... once started... I am all there! lol

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 3:12:27 PM   
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Just getting to reply to you now AAkasha,

"But don't submissive men WANT us to be 'selfish'?  Wouldn't they rather have us lustful and selfish and organic about our dominance, not service topping? Don't they want the acts to be fresh, authentic, dripping with lust and need -- not manufactured?

I am a selfless *lover*.  I want him to feel good. I am willing, if need be, to put aside my own pleasure because I adore him and he deserves it, and it's fun to be giving.  However, with dominance, no way. I just can't swallow that.  Dominance at its best is animalistic and natural, from the core.  To just go through the motions ruins it.  Yes or no? "

Akasha

I would never just be going through the motions. Its more a point where I have to prioritise some time. Living, working and raising a daughter together sadly has gotten in the way recently of the lighter side of our D/s dymanic (lighter = play) and its time I addressed this. So thanks for your post - its made me focus.

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 4:11:52 PM   
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Why is it so difficult, Lockit?  Won't just giving him lots of orders keep him happy? 

Do subs start out getting turned on just by being given orders, but find that they need progressively more and 'harder' domination to get the same buzz as they had originally? 


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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 4:15:32 PM   
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Why is it so difficult, Lockit?  Won't just giving him lots of orders keep him happy? 

Do subs start out getting turned on just by being given orders, but find that they need progressively more and 'harder' domination to get the same buzz as they had originally? 



I think that we all might go from one thing and then need a bit more to keep that same rush or excitement to some degree.  I haven't met many submissive's that are just into taking orders and wish for nothing more.  I like to evolve.  I don't want to do it all in six months.  A long slow dance is often very nice...hehe

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 5:04:46 PM   
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Ignore my question, Lockit.  I'm probably just weird. 

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 5:07:16 PM   
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LOL.. I didn't mean to ignore your question... having an off day here... lol  I do not think that just giving someone orders will make them happy in the long run.  Did I answer your question?  lol  As for your weirdness... well... I don't think you are weird, but if you are... it's a good weird. hehe

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 9:34:06 PM   
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However, still, as selfish as it sounds, I can't see myself ever faking topping if I am not in the mood with a partner.


I think there is more to it than a simple dichotomy of "faking/not faking".  There is a pretty broad range of emotion between "GOD No, Absolutely Not" and "On Your Knees Now, Boy".  Looking back on my own history, I find that the times when I found myself participating in sex which I did not necessarily initiate were not at all incidents of "faking it"--it was more a matter of being seduced, of "the mood" being created.

What can I say?  There are buttons.  Some men know how to press them.  And then things happen. 

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/21/2008 9:59:40 PM   
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However, still, as selfish as it sounds, I can't see myself ever faking topping if I am not in the mood with a partner.


I think there is more to it than a simple dichotomy of "faking/not faking".  There is a pretty broad range of emotion between "GOD No, Absolutely Not" and "On Your Knees Now, Boy".  Looking back on my own history, I find that the times when I found myself participating in sex which I did not necessarily initiate were not at all incidents of "faking it"--it was more a matter of being seduced, of "the mood" being created.

What can I say?  There are buttons.  Some men know how to press them.  And then things happen. 


Being seduced into it is one thing (and hot). Being whined to about it, or being passive aggressive, or needy about it in an unsexy way is another thing. I'm all for seduction.  I just don't like passive aggressive behavior, hints, neediness.  I think I've started a dozen threads on "seducing dominants" over the years that specifically address it.

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/22/2008 3:41:12 AM   
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Yes I have topped when I didnt really feel the desire to do so.. a friend who I cared about and respected ..had a submissive male type friend who lived to far from her and he was big into spanking I  was learning to ropes literally.. so she asked would I mind spanking him inexchange for a willing submissive type to practice my rope work on..he never knew that she and I had made an arrangement there was some level of enjoyment on my part but on a certain level it became tedious. I mean I would whallop the daylights outof him after tying him up, I moved and eventually he stopped calling... itsnot something I would ever do again.

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/22/2008 8:14:56 AM   
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If one is being seduced and helped get in the mood how is that equal topping to maintain the relationship?

I see that as each person being responsible for self and other.

Fox and I talked about this thread last night. He smiled and said "You don't have to do anything just to maintain our relationship but be you. If I have a desire, Mistress, I know you well enough to know how to stir your interest and then you decide what we do, when we do it and how."

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/22/2008 12:22:50 PM   
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There's always a choice as to whether I respond to attempts to seduce.  I am never powerless.  If I genuinely won't or can't put other things aside for the sake of intimacy with my partner--nothing is going to happen, no matter what he does/says/wants.

Maybe it's just me, but I have a broad range of concerns in life; when I'm working or concerned about my family, it may tend to put me in a non-sexual frame of mind.   But the fact that I'm not chasing someone around with a whip doesn't mean I can't be moved--and the fact that it wasn't  my idea, and that my partner initiating play is motivated by his own needs, doesn't mean I am "faking" it or being "topped from the bottom".

Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating a sub having poor relationship skills:  whining, moping, and passive aggression or resentment are NOT the way for anyone to get their needs met in a relationship.  But if the only answer for a sub is to sit around and wait silently for me to initiate play, that boy is going to have a long wait sometimes.  I'm not a teenage nymphomaniac who is independently wealthy and devoid of other concerns.  I have a million things tearing at my mind and my time on any given day.  Sometimes my loved ones have to fight even for their rightful share of my attention.

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/22/2008 8:41:59 PM   
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I've never done any long or intensive sessions when I'm not in the mood. (Unless you count the few times I tried to when I was learning the ropes. Those didn't end well). A few times I've started not yet in the mood, but intending to get in the mood by playing.
I will, however, do little dominant things here and there - smack his ass, pinch his nipples, give him a "look," etc - when I'm not necessarily in the mood. Maybe that would be more like maintenance teasing? I guess a few times it has been partially because I hadn't dominated him in a while, but it's more often out of habit, I think.
So no, I guess I don't really "maintenance top," but I wouldn't really be opposed to it if I felt it was necessary. One thing I'll almost definitely do, though, even if I'm not in the mood, is let HIM serve ME. *wink* After all, I don't have to do anything, he enjoys it, and so do I, provided I'm not sleepy, stressed, or have a headache.
Anyway, thanks for posting this topic, Akasha. It seems to have made a lot of people think about their relationships and communicate with their subs/slaves/dommes/doms/lovers/etc

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/22/2008 9:18:07 PM   
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Ya know, thinking about this some more, I realized that I was failing to differentiate "in the mood" from horny. I used to think domination was only a sexual thing for me, and it often is, but I'm seeing lately that it doesn't have to involve sex. For example, I can think of a couple times when I punished my boyfriend (ie: cropped/spanked) when I wasn't in the mood, neither for domination nor sex. Obviously it didn't make me horny, but I did get a sense of power/accomplishment from it, which I suppose I might consider "the mood."
When I think about it, I begin a lot of things (sex, play, etc) before I'm actually in the mood, but I want to be, and I know there are things that will do the trick. This applies to power exchange and arousal. I'm not sure if that makes sense, it's sort of like a "pre-mood" feeling - I'm in the mood to be in the mood.  I suppose I do this for my boyfriend sometimes - he's in the mood, so I want to be, too. But I don't know that it's necessarily maintenance, because it doesn't feel like an obligation. It's almost more like envy, if that makes sense. I'm "jealous" that he's in the mood and I'm not, so I do (or make him do) the things that put me in the mood.
Does this make sense to anyone, or am I just strange?

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/23/2008 2:37:35 PM   
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You're just strange ;)


I can say these things when there's an ocean protecting me...

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/23/2008 3:29:11 PM   
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Just remember I do have that naughty list, Mr. Snide McCheekypants. And in less than 2 months the ocean will no longer protect you... can't wait!

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/23/2008 3:54:00 PM   
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I must admit I'm struggling a little with that one too, GG.

I can think of a couple times when I punished my boyfriend (ie: cropped/spanked) when I wasn't in the mood, neither for domination nor sex.
 
If you weren't in the mood either for domination or sex, what mood were you in, exactly? 

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/23/2008 4:34:11 PM   
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If you weren't in the mood either for domination or sex, what mood were you in, exactly? 


Sometimes I am in a mood to be in a better mood. 

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RE: Maintenance topping - 10/23/2008 4:53:32 PM   
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