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alternative sexuality... or "what king of freak ar... - 10/20/2008 5:53:29 PM   
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I find myself writing this article for no one. I don’t even know why, other than thoughts of alternative sexualities have been on my mind lately, and I feel like talking about it.
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p.s I've done a shit job at punctuation throughout. I'll try to fix some of it. if it bothers you, let me know and I'll edit it better.

It occurs to me that a shit load of people have the same sort of questions about life that I do. I know that it would be unbelievably pretentious of me to say that I have the answers. I know that by writing the sort of thing that I have been thinking about that many people will insult my work and say that it’s the ramblings of a pervert and a fool. I understand that. I don’t write because of understanding. I write because I believe. I believe that people are at their most basic self, similar. There is a question that anyone who isn’t normal asks. Yes, I’ve just admitted I’m not normal. Actually there are lots of questions. I’ll start with one that interests me a lot.

Why does sex define so many things?  This is one question that I don’t entirely have a handle on yet. I suppose once I do, I’ll become a very rich man. Sex sells. That is a truism that I’ve heard since I was a child. I have never heard anyone ever argue with it. Almost any other maxim or little nugget of wisdom can be argued with in some way. Man, if I had the answer to the reason why sex is the thing which defines our roles in life, I could sell that knowledge for more money than the pope has.  I imagine that the pope has a lot of money.
 
Sex defines who we are as it relates to everyone else. It inspires every single human emotion.  Why does sex inspire love? Why does it inspire jealousy?  Laughter? Agony? I think its because it’s the single most important thing on earth. Sexuality is the largest industry on earth. How much advancement of the technology we use on a daily basis was inspired by the need to distribute porn? Money and power go hand in hand with sex. It’s the go-to cliché for making a story interesting (for making a commercial interesing... or anything on TV). When a love story is “toned down” to represent an 'ideal' life to children, it’s the sexual element that is removed. It’s the absence of it that we feel that makes it blander. Just as there are billions of dollars spent in adding sexuality into our daily lives, there are billions spent to remove it. Still, we acknowledge that adding it, or subtracting it, sex is what is in focus. Whether or not you have sex in your life defines "you". How much you have, and how much you make other people think you have and how easily other people see through your pretenses is just the beginning of how others define you through your sexuality.  That is "how" sex defines things. "Why" does it? Well, why do we let it? Why do we want it to? Everyone wants to be attractive to the people that they want to attract. It might be the people that they loath. It might be their spouse. It might even be someone that they feel guilty about being attracted to.

Guilt! Now there is a word that takes the cake when it comes to how we define sexuality, and how it defines us. How many combinations are there? Feeling guilty when you shouldn’t? Feeling guilty when your partner doesn’t? Not feeling guilty about something that society says you should? There are a myriad of helpful, and destructive ways that people deal with guilt. There are sexual subcultures devoted to the removal of guilt, by means of ritual-like pain and submission. There are other groups that get around the feelings of guilt by saying that they will only sleep with one person through the rest of their lives in front of an audience of family and friends. Even those rare groups of people who embrace an “alternative” lifestyle, such as polyamorous (aka ‘poly’) which, while it litterally is supposed to describe units of people who are in a committed relationship with multiple consenting persons, is really more of a description of a single person, and their own view of sexuality. There can easily be a monogamous person who is dating someone who is open to the poly way of life, but chooses not to, in order to please the other person.  Swingers and the poly lifestyle are not the same thing. Just as D/s people and gorean people are not the same thing. Though it occurs to me that most every set of sexual subgroup (and the more specific you are with naming a subgroup, the stricter this rule applies) has its own code for behavior.  Everyone has their own rules. Rules to make themselves comfortable with the people with whom they share a kink. It tends to serve mostly as a “Assholes need not apply” sign. Some groups are leaner on the rules than others, but many spell them out rather consistently. For instance R.A.C.K. means risk aware consensual kink. Rack seems to be the banner shown to everyone who goes looking for answers about bondage online. As of this moment, there are 9010 hits for that combination of words on Google. It has its own Wikipedia page. Oddly it reminds me of another group that deals with feelings of different  sexuality and experimentation. Also they deal with a lot of guilt. That group is the psycodelic leavings of the 1960’s known as ravers. The acronym used by hundreds of thousands of drug-popping always-happy all the time kids across the country is PLURR. It stands for peace love unity respect and responsibility. Try yelling it out of your car window next time you see someone in gigantic pants chewing on a pacifier. Now what does Plurr and Rack have in common? The word ‘responsibility’. Whatever sort of sexual fulfillment you are trying to procure, the thing that everyone else wants you to do, is to not be a raging douche bag. There are places you can go. There are thing you can do to get laid without ever hurting anyone so long as you don’t have anyone to hurt. If there is someone who would get hurt because you are going to have sex, you’re not the sort of person that the sub cultures will embrace and respect. Now I didn’t say that you wouldn’t get laid. People get laid all the time. Long term satisfaction? Well, that all depends on your motivations. But I digress. The term responsible is thrown around as much as the term ‘clean’ is. One in four people has human papillomavirus aka HPV. It’s a sexually transmitted disease that could cause cervical cancer and other side effects. Responsible people get themselves tested so that they don’t spread viruses amongst the rest of the community. Responsible people don’t go beyond what their partners have asked. Responsible people listen.
 
 There is nothing that someone won’t try someday. I believe this to be true with all of my heart. I’ve tried everything I’ve ever wanted to. Do you have a kink? Is there something that you want? It doesn’t matter what it is. Someone else wants to do it to. Do you want to stomp on some guys balls, or nail them to a board? People are doing that right now! Do you want to learn how to enter a life style where a subservient woman will serve you day and night? (It is called ‘Gorean’, and I highly recommend you subscribe to the philosophy before you try to enter the culture.) I’ve read WebPages and forums where that sort of thing is talked about openly by both men and women in both sets of cultures. There is nothing that is "out of bounds" philosophically speaking. Of course there are laws. Of course there are bounds which I personally believe ought never to ever even be considered to be crossed. The reality of life is, however, that people will cross it. Large amounts of people will move toward the same sorts of sexuality. Always have.  Why do they do it? Why are there groups of people who like the same thing? In large populations (of sub groups), when the people are open enough about it to the rest of us to allow themselves to be polled people being to claim to see patterns. One of the few examples that I remember reading about was a poll that seemed to show that most of the growth for the bdsm community was in fact divorced women in their 30-40’s. Later, correlations seemed to me to show that women in their early to late thirties (especially divorcees) were making more new relationships from the safety of an online community than any other demographic. This is a simple observation, but it is a powerful one. When exploring what defines you, sexually, knowing where a community of people like your self are, is a good thing. Population changes with in every sexual culture has to do with the primary group of that culture experiencing similar things. The rave scene would not be getting or maintaining its population if it weren’t for teenage angst.  Niche is important. Niche is a subset of a subset. Yiffs are a perfect example of a niche group when it comes to sexuality. Whether you are in a niche group is defined by A) the size of the group and B) the amount of cross over between your group and an larger subset. Yiffs are the sexualized niche of the cultural (nonsexual) subgroup called Furries. A more appropriate term may actually be plushie, especially if the target of the sexualization, isn’t another person, but rather a stuffed doll. Don’t be taken too aback by this sort of deviation. How much different is the man who fucks a stuffed rabbit then the woman who fucks a carrot? You protest? Then I will admit that you were right to protest. The difference is in the culture. A plushophiliac worships the stuffed animal. The connection between himself and the thing he is putting his penis into is much deeper than masturbation. Yet, his connection is fulfilling to him. A psychologist might consider his sexual self definition to that of a zeta male. Someone who has found himself at the bottom of the food chain. He didn’t want to chase tail anymore, so he bought a bugs bunny doll and fucked it. That sort of answer in a bottle is what makes self definition for sexual subculture so important. There are others like themselves. There is community. Because in the end, after the orgasm, what is left? That immaculate emptiness that come post orgasm must be filled with something. Community is the answer. Communication between others that you identify with is the lull of post orgasm and the calm before the chase. After one has taken so much time and effort to be identified in a specific way, communication with other who have done the same is natural. This is answering why its important to identify yourself sexually and identify others, be it a tstv chat room, or an abstinence class at your church. What isn’t explaining is: “why it is that we let sex define some many of the characteristics of our lives.” I think its because we all want sex.  The way in which we get sex defines our community, but the fact remains that sex drive puts us squarely in our place. Whatever that place might be. 
 
I would like to propose that if we can recognize that sexuality is the driving force behind so many of our choices, that we make an effort to understand those choices beforehand. Here are a few rules that I live by which I made for myself after realizing my choices were driven by a singular motivation with respect to chosen community.
1.       I will have kink, but I will never have fixation
2.       I will always hate guilt, but I will remember that it serves its purpose.
3.       I will ask you to listen only once. Take it or leave it.
4.       I will never allow myself to be in a situation where I want to cheat.
5.       I will learn more about you than you will learn about me.
6.       I will listen
7.       I will not act as an intermediary for anyone with a failing relationship
8.       I will not ever date a virgin again
9.       I will not ever date anyone who has the word ‘princess’ on anything he/she owns.
10.   I will not date anyone who owns more than two cats.

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 6:00:27 PM   
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Paragraphs are your friend.  Looks like you covered a few topics here, maybe in the future you could find one topic for one thread?  Or...are you trying this out for your profile? 

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 6:03:14 PM   
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Dang - have you heard of paragraphs??????????????

It would make your post a lot easier to read.

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 6:16:04 PM   
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K so normally im pretty stuburn about reading long posts even if just to get all the information given in order to over an opinion. in this case i just couldnt

i  understand how daunting it is to try  and share your thoughts about a topic but if its something you feel strongly about as this ( i think i cant really be sure to be honest ) then is suggest writing it in notepad first... when your starting a thread your starting it on your own time.

unfortunitly i go to agree with the above posters ( not just cause their girls neither ) paragraphs are your friends. id also suggest working  on keeping your rapid thought process in check . i got to your piece about PLURR ( something i hadnt known having never been a raver or alive before 79 ) and had to stop. i couldnt  keep up with your train of thought. if it was infact a train and not a herd of cattle spooked by a dog.

i would be extremly interested in reading thos post again if and when it recieves some of the TLC the english language deserves

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 6:16:48 PM   
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sorry, I had paragraphs in the word document when i pasted it over

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 6:22:51 PM   
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how do you indent with out the tab button?  ugh, sorry this is such bad form. I'ts been a long time since I've been a forum poster anywhere. There are probably rules against  double posting as well. I'm sorry. to all. thanks for trying to read my hacked up article.
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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 6:28:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Darias

K so normally im pretty stuburn about reading long posts even if just to get all the information given in order to over an opinion. in this case i just couldnt

i  understand how daunting it is to try  and share your thoughts about a topic but if its something you feel strongly about as this ( i think i cant really be sure to be honest ) then is suggest writing it in notepad first... when your starting a thread your starting it on your own time.

unfortunitly i go to agree with the above posters ( not just cause their girls neither ) paragraphs are your friends. id also suggest working  on keeping your rapid thought process in check . i got to your piece about PLURR ( something i hadnt known having never been a raver or alive before 79 ) and had to stop. i couldnt  keep up with your train of thought. if it was infact a train and not a herd of cattle spooked by a dog.

i would be extremly interested in reading thos post again if and when it recieves some of the TLC the english language deserves

Darias



Ya lost me half way through. the question is. Would you read a post that long? try it and get back to me.

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 7:05:22 PM   
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Vonnecat - From how I see it, we humans are drawn to seek pleasure in many different and variable ways and sex seems to be one of the easiest routes to experience pleasure. I'd even go as far to say we are driven to experience one form of pleasure or another. Granted we are genetically programmed to procreate through sex yet most often we seek sex simply for the fact it feels good and we (generalized) continually seek more.
   Yet there is a large segment of people where the standard vanilla sex isn't as good and we have this desire to discover many different ways to feel pleasure through other methods. For some it's pleasure through pain sensations and for others, it's having some element of danger in order to reach that state of pleasure we so enjoy. Granted these are just a couple examples and the variations are almost endless.


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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 7:15:46 PM   
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I totally did not read any of that. I skimmed then saw the word "yiffs" and laughed. Totally and probably nothing related to the wall of text written but I have never heard anyone called a "yiff" I've heard furvert an such but last time I checked yiff was a verb (like fuck) or a noun (like sex) but I've never heard it used to described a perverted furry. Perhaps I'm just out of the loop since I don't like to usually dip too much into that part of the furry life and missed that term...

Oh well. I'm guessing the wall of text has a point? Anyway to sum it up in one paragrap to at most four/five? People will be more likely to read it that way.

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 10:01:36 PM   
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point taken. is there anyway to lock my post so it doesn't continure gleaning the same reaction from everyone???

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/20/2008 10:16:17 PM   
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I got through most of it, Vonne.. and aside from the lack of paragraphs (I understand the fail on the copy and paste thing...) and a few misspellings, I liked it..

I admit I didnt get through it all... but what do you have against multi-cat households??!!??!!  LOL




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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/21/2008 7:45:50 AM   
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Hi, Vonne----
I got through a good portion of it and will give it another look. 
Same question as Greedy Top on the multi-cat household piece. One can be both crazy and a cat lady and that the terms be mutually exclusive, lol!  And, no oneowns cats, they own us. 
Now to the whole fixation of sex thing.  I'm going to jump back to a much maligned Sigmund Freud on this one: eros and thanatos, life and death...sex is one side of the yin yang construct that makes our Universe as sometimes sentient beings spin, imo.  We have a crazy, whacked out society regarding both concepts, really, though the negativity about sex is more irksome than the peculiarity about death as that affects people more obviously on a more pervasive basis, I would argue. 
In readingyour list at the end, I am a little uncertain what it has to do with sex in most cases but it's your list and I definitely respect your right to have it. 
  Davan

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/26/2008 5:40:11 AM   
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in my experince, though it may have been a coincedence based soley on my experience, a girl who owns more than two cats needs something to look after. That sort of behavior seems to transfer to the boyfriends she picks. I want a girlfriend, not a mother... or worse... some one who wants a "fixer-uper"

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/26/2008 6:34:35 AM   
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Crikey - even I've never written one that long!

But why is sex so important - because our root drive and purpose in life is to procreate - by whichever means our particular psycho-sexual make up prefers; even lesbian woman and gay men are driven to procreate, it being only their particular physical realities which prevent conception, in the same way that infertile heteros are prevented.

It then follows naturally that sex and gender will be a focus for us, its very important we identify viable partners (male or female), as will be discernment as to with whom we would prefer to procreate (healthy, well formed and presumably fertile partners). The same focus and discernment occurs even where our drive and purpose is displaced into the likes of bdsm, where to most intents and purposes the sex/gender or sexuality of our partner shouldnt matter a great deal.

But as to the question of "what kind of freak are you" - I'd have to say that with a few notable exceptions, the whole human race is freaky if we consider our sexuality as a purely utilitarian thing. Everyone, from the church minister who prefers his female parishioners to turn up in heels and finery (and those parishioners who know their appearance has certain effects), to those he might condemn as the most debauched amongst us - these latter being those in whom the procreative urge is displaced to the greatest extents into apparently non productive sexualities.

E (confirmed freak in so many ways)

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/26/2008 6:43:08 AM   
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but you're OUR freak, E, and we love you ;)

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/26/2008 6:52:02 AM   
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s'funny though GT - I consider the rest of you lot as the freaks, you know?

its me thats normal - I have to be since the world revolves around me and is only there for my benefit, do you see?

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/26/2008 7:03:08 AM   
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but.. but.. I thought it revolved around ME!!! *smooch*

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/26/2008 7:55:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VonneCat

Why does sex define so many things?  

Sex defines who we are as it relates to everyone else. It inspires every single human emotion.  Why does sex inspire love? Why does it inspire jealousy?  Laughter? Agony?

Evolution... its a basic biological drive.  Without it, it is questionable whether our species would have survived and thrived as it has.  The variety of emotional responses came about to reward us for specific successful behaviors.  Women and men have somewhat different drives, because of the differing needs each had.  That is...
Love... reward emotion for responding to a sexual partner, offspring, family members, etc.
Jealousy... defense emotion intended to aid in the survival of your own DNA over that of others.

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Guilt! Now there is a word that takes the cake when it comes to how we define sexuality, and how it defines us. How many combinations are there? Feeling guilty when you shouldn’t? Feeling guilty when your partner doesn’t? Not feeling guilty about something that society says you should? There are a myriad of helpful, and destructive ways that people deal with guilt.

Guilt is a consequence emotion to acting contrary either to various biological or cultural imperatives.  For example, guilt for cheating on a sexual partner violates both biological and cultural imperatives.  You are correct, people find very creative ways to cope with, avoid and escape guilt.

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Why do they do it? Why are there groups of people who like the same thing? In large populations (of sub groups), when the people are open enough about it to the rest of us to allow themselves to be polled people being to claim to see patterns.

Because we are all influenced by our environment, we are in part products of that environment.  Is it really so surprising that other people were influenced the same as you?  If there are deviants in a society, they are as much a product of some aspect of that common environment as those deemed normal.  The more pervasive the influence(s) or circumstance(s) that produced said deviants... the more deviants you get.  If those influence(s) and/or circumstance(s) become pervasive enough, the behaviors they produce become the norm.  Society resists this by resisting differentiated behaviors and influences.  There is a biological drive behind this as well... we are communal beings who work best together when we are similar, we more closely identify into groups, tribes, families, etc. when we are alike.  Contrary to PC myth, diversity is not strength in a community, it tends to cause the community to fracture into subcultures if its large enough or else disentergrate entirely, particularly in smaller groups.  We are attracted to those like us because it helps us form groups which in turn (particularly in evolutionary terms) help us survive.

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RE: alternative sexuality... or "what king of frea... - 10/26/2008 3:49:03 PM   
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thank you all for every one who read it. thank you more to the people who commented :-D promise I'll make the next one shorter and mono-topical.

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