corysub
Posts: 1492
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Politesub53
quote:
ORIGINAL: corysub
I think you and others who say we should get out of Afganistan are right in your judgement. I don't really understand why Barack would focus on this country of mountains and caves, whose principle export is poppy,
and strategically no where near as important as Iraq. Usama is in Pakistan anyway, and the risk is that a President Obama would do something stupid, go in to that country as he stated, and wind up destablizing the Pakistani government, a country with nuclear capability. No sir...not my kind of President...best we get out now..before he might take the helm and drag us into something really serious focusing on weeding out some taliban in the hills or a guy in a cave and leaving Iraq, the real prize, to deteriorate and truly become even more a part of the Iranian sphere of influence they are today.
Could be lawyers have so much to learn, rules, regulations and such, that they don't spend the time to learn geography. Iraq is one of the most strategically located countries in the mideast, has immense proven and unproven oil reserves, has an energetic,proud, intelligent peoples who, frankly, I would rather have on my side than against us because we deserted them to civil war and third world status. By the way, remember Pelosi and Reid and how we lost in Iraq, the huge civil war going on there...when did you last see that headline....Like the good "ambulance chasing" lawyers they are, they are now chasing the economy...the latest leading issue in the polls. What a way to govern..! What principles! NOT!
Your post is way off target on so many levels. Firstly, it wasnt Iraq that carried out 9/11, it was that guy in the cave you mentioned. If America are truly carrying out a war on terror, Al Qaida and Bin Laden were responsible for that. If you let them off the hook, sooner or later there will be another attack on US soil.
Secondly, Iran have no real influence on the Taliban, they are mostly a Sunni group, where as Iran is Shia. Sure they may carry out deals between each other against what they see as a common foe, but thats as far as it goes. Pakistan has a much greater influence on the Taliban than Iran ever did. Infact when the Taliban announced themselves in control of Afghanistan, only three countries gave them dimplomatic recognition. Pakisatan, the UAE and Saudi Arabia, who infact donate much of Al Qaidas funds and manpower.
You talk of Iraq being a prize, both strategically and for the oil reserves. I guess that throws the excuse of freeing the people from saddam out the window then. You also overlook that the US intends to pull its troops out of Iraq by 2011. When that happens you can be sure the Shia dominated parliament will be doing more deals with Iran, and that the Saudis will be very uneasy on having two Shia dominated countries near by.
I don't think I said anything about Iraq being the criminal country that perpetrated the attack on the Towers. What I did say is that Usama is not in Afganistan, at least that's what the press and our politicians tell us, but is holed up in the mountains of Western Pakistan. My initial point was that Obama stated he would go in unilaterally and take out Usama in Pakistan if he knew where he was hiding. That such an action would probably involve the killing of native tribesman and create not only more enemies, but such an attack on the national soil of Pakistan could result in a coup by extremist groups within the military of this nuclear power. To me that comment from Obama was a naieve , immature comment from a fellow no experience on the global political stage.
I think it is wonderful that you know what sect of the Muslim religion Iran is predominantly as well as the Taliban.
Not many people are aware of the Shite' sect being dominant in Iran, as well as among the leaders of Iraq at the present time. My comment, probably poorly expressed, was that the Obama plan to withhdraw as quickly as possible..since moderated like most of his other positions, that plan would have created a vacuum in Iraq that the Iranian theocracy would jump right into...expanding the influence they already have with fellow Iraqi Shite'. My comment on Iraq was basically a statement of fact...namely, Iraq has fantastic potential with huge natural resources, a nation with a rich cultural heritage and a history of intellectual and scientific achievement, is strategically located, (compared to Afganistan) and I would rather have them as friend than foe....not as conqueror or conquered. America does is not a builder of empire. We have tens of millions of Iraqi people, something I think is kinda a nice thing we did...but some may think me wrong.
As far as leaving leaving Iraq in 2011..that is the current deal. As you know these things are negotiated and re-negotiated, and depending upon the political situation in 2011 and what President McCain decides, we may extend or not accept an invitation from the Iraqi government to remain. I hope we are there since where else would we have a better place than Iraq to watch Iran and it's growing threat to peace.
|
RE: Surge and increased violence in Afghanistan - 
Profile
New Messages
No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages
Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages
Locked w/o New Messages
Post New Thread