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MissSCD -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 8:06:08 PM)
*This is bizzare. This is the same country that the brother had his sister beheaded.* *When freedom of speech becomes offensive, I think it is wrong. In the times we are living with, I had rather be hanging out with people who have faith than people who will just do anything.* *Like it or not, that is the way I feel.* *My name is MissSCD, and I approve this message.* *Regards, MissSCD*

MzMia -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 8:07:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's just the commercial space on London buses - religious groups buy it to promote their message, and since atheism is a belief of sorts... it's only fair. I wonder whether Christopher Hitchens contributed to their war effort [:D] . I think what I dislike most about atheism is not the disbelief in God.. but the mocking of other's hope. The Amazing Randy will love it. Also the desperate attempts of some atheist's to attempt to persuade believer's that what they believe in is NOT true, and fruitless attempts to make believer's "prove that there is a GOD." [:D]

Trystan89 -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 8:07:42 PM)
quote: . *When freedom of speech becomes offensive, I think it is wrong.* Not as wrong as when you take it away.

Usako -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 8:18:11 PM)
Even though I'm athiest, I think this is silly. "You do it so we'll do it too! Nenernener!" Just don't allow ANY religious groups to post such bus ads; stops all the bickering on that subject. But hey, at least they're allowed to post the ad at all. I'm sure plenty places here in the USA the people will be near stoned to death for even thinking up the idea. [8\|]

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 8:34:30 PM)
Why is it that people thank god that only 3 were killed in the accident? Why did god allow the accident to happen in the 1st place? Why is it that both teams ask god for help in winning right before the game? Does god pick sides? And what's wrong with asking for proof of god? Someone here has a sig that sates we'd be about 1,500 years ahead without religion. I don't know about 1,500 years but I'm pretty sure the Dark Ages would have been a bit shorter. But that's just my opinion... ~Dave

MissSCD -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 8:37:53 PM)
*You got it MzMia I feel uncomfortable around Athesist because they mock Chrstians. I don't waste my time with it, but thanks for bringing that to our attention,* *Regards, MissSCD.* quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia quote: ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's just the commercial space on London buses - religious groups buy it to promote their message, and since atheism is a belief of sorts... it's only fair. I wonder whether Christopher Hitchens contributed to their war effort [:D] . I think what I dislike most about atheism is not the disbelief in God.. but the mocking of other's hope. The Amazing Randy will love it. Also the desperate attempts of some atheist's to attempt to persuade believer's that what they believe in is NOT true, and fruitless attempts to make believer's "prove that there is a GOD." [:D]

knees2you -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 9:24:11 PM)
quote: Even though I'm athiest, I think this is silly. "You do it so we'll do it too! Nenernener!" Just don't allow ANY religious groups to post such bus ads; stops all the bickering on that subject. But hey, at least they're allowed to post the ad at all. I'm sure plenty places here in the USA the people will be near stoned to death for even thinking up the idea. *Usako* Nothing wrong with being an athiest, as long as you do not believe in anything but God. I just happen to be an athiest to everything but. quote: "A change has to come, or the End will be here sooner, then when the Beginning had Begun."Anthony E. Always, knees[sm=cactus.gif]

Venatrix -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 9:30:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 Why is it that people thank god that only 3 were killed in the accident? Why did god allow the accident to happen in the 1st place? Why is it that both teams ask god for help in winning right before the game? Does god pick sides? And what's wrong with asking for proof of god? Someone here has a sig that sates we'd be about 1,500 years ahead without religion. I don't know about 1,500 years but I'm pretty sure the Dark Ages would have been a bit shorter. But that's just my opinion... ~Dave Hmm. That's a good point. I'm an atheist, but I still say things like "thank God" out of habit. Maybe I'll substitute "boo boo" for "God" from now on. "Thank boo boo," "Oh, boo boo, that feels good," "boo boo damn it" . . . .

OrionTheWolf -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 9:43:47 PM)
Not a paradox at all. Are they using force or persuasion? If they are using force then they are violating different rights. If it is persuasion, then that is what language was designed for. Social pressures are what we as social animals need and use. If I use Free Speech to convince someone to shut up, I have not infringed, I have convinced them to exercise Freedom of Choice and shut up. They could just as easily keep talking and suffer whatever I may threaten. Freedom of Speech is based upon not having the government infringe those rights. quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Free speech? You mean not having the government infringe upon that? Do you mean someone else using their ability of Free Speech to complain to the Bus company and threaten boycotts? ....very important point you touch on here. Is a society based on free speech if citizens are free to infringe other peoples free speech? Clearly there's a paradox, and one that's not easily resolved. (edited for a silly typo)

myotherself -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 9:51:08 PM)
what a lovely start to the day - it's about time those of us who don't believe in a god get to have our say publicly.[:)] I'm only disappointed that they have to use the word 'probably'. The religious folk are allowed to say there IS a god, and to hell with our feelings (excuse the pun!), but we aren't allowed to say there isn't because the religious folk might be offended. Surely if their faith was strong enough they'd cope? [8\|]

philosophy -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 11:00:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD *I feel uncomfortable around Athesist because they mock Chrstians.* quote: I think what I dislike most about atheism is not the disbelief in God.. but the mocking of other's hope. ....and how are the two preceding statements any different to the intolerance you decry in others? Sweeping statements that only describe a part of the real situation. Or, are you suggesting that an aethist, such as myself, who does not 'evangelise' mocks Christians by my very existence? If so, there are a few Islamic terrorists who'd recognise that sort of dynamic. quote: Also the desperate attempts of some atheist's to attempt to persuade believer's that what they believe in is NOT true, and fruitless attempts to make believer's "prove that there is a GOD." [:D] (my italics)......at least you qualified it. A bit.

philosophy -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/22/2008 11:08:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Not a paradox at all. Are they using force or persuasion? If they are using force then they are violating different rights. ...agreed. quote: If it is persuasion, then that is what language was designed for. Social pressures are what we as social animals need and use. If I use Free Speech to convince someone to shut up, I have not infringed, ....true, although a number of posters here have suggested that aethists who exercise that sort of persuasion are mocking Christianity. quote: I have convinced them to exercise Freedom of Choice and shut up. They could just as easily keep talking and suffer whatever I may threaten. ....threaten? So violence after all? Possibly a poor choice of word. quote: Freedom of Speech is based upon not having the government infringe those rights. ...ah, now on this we disagree. Freedom of speech is a societal construct, like freedom of worship or freedom to protest. If an individual attempts to curtail those rights they are just as guilty as if a government does so. i'd argue that if a society actually values freedom of speech then the individuals within it have to respect that right in others. Abdicating the responsibility for safeguarding that freedom to the government is a cop out. i've seen you argue for personal responsibility in other contexts......why the different stance on this subject?

RCdc -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 12:01:11 AM)
I don't see it as mocking christianity. If anything it's not a good projection on atheists and humanists. The phrase implies that there may be a god, and that athiests sit around all day wondering the whatif and don't get on with life. I find that pretty poor. the.dark.

meatcleaver -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 3:37:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: TheBanshee quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's just the commercial space on London buses - religious groups buy it to promote their message, and *since atheism is a belief of sorts...* it's only fair. I wonder whether Christopher Hitchens contributed to their war effort [:D] . isn't that a contradiction of terms? ...strictly speaking, no. As the existence of God is neither empircally provable or not provable, any position vis a vis the existence of God has an element of belief in it. That is like saying not believing in Tinkerbell is a belief because it is not empirically provable that she does or doesn't exist. It's sophistry at best, idiotic at worse. Not to believe in something that is stated to exist without the minutest piece of evidence that that something exists is a rational stance to take and not one of belief.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 3:47:02 AM)
MissSCD " *I feel uncomfortable around Athesist because they mock Chrstians. "* You know what, SCD? I only mock Xtians because they can't stay out of my face. They can belive whatever they want. I don't care. But when they try and tell me I'm not worthy of holding land, or a Job, or having a family, because I'm some sort of un-Christian Heathen, well, I say, get the FUCK out of my face. I am restraining myself. Peace, you all.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 3:55:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Not a paradox at all. Are they using force or persuasion? If they are using force then they are violating different rights. If it is persuasion, then that is what language was designed for. Social pressures are what we as social animals need and use. If I use Free Speech to convince someone to shut up, I have not infringed, I have convinced them to exercise Freedom of Choice and shut up. They could just as easily keep talking and suffer whatever I may threaten. Freedom of Speech is based upon not having the government infringe those rights. quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Free speech? You mean not having the government infringe upon that? Do you mean someone else using their ability of Free Speech to complain to the Bus company and threaten boycotts? ....very important point you touch on here. Is a society based on free speech if citizens are free to infringe other peoples free speech? Clearly there's a paradox, and one that's not easily resolved. (edited for a silly typo) What I read you to be saying is that if you intimidate by threat of violence, you have asserted your "Freedom of Speech". So, if I put a bullet into your head, I have asserted my Freedom of Speech. is that right?

Dnomyar -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 4:11:12 AM)
There is a movie called "God is my Co Pilot." I drove in a passenger seat on a trip over the weeken. So that makes me a co pilot therefore God. So I do exists.

sirsholly -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 4:12:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dnomyar There is a movie called "God is my Co Pilot." I drove in a passenger seat on a trip over the weeken. So that makes me a co pilot therefore God. So I do exists. does this mean we have to call you Dog?

meatcleaver -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 5:13:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dnomyar There is a movie called "God is my Co Pilot." I drove in a passenger seat on a trip over the weeken. So that makes me a co pilot therefore God. So I do exists. Hmm If I was you I'd stop watching Hollywood films and start reading a few books.[;)]

Rule -> RE: There's probably no God...... (10/23/2008 6:18:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 Why is it that people thank god that only 3 were killed in the accident? Why did god allow the accident to happen in the 1st place? Since they and you are confusing the characteristics of the Divine with those of some of the incarnate gods, your question is meaningless. One might as well - suffering from the misconception that the Sahara is a sea - ask the equally meaningless question to what depth pinguins dive in the Sahara. quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 Why is it that both teams ask god for help in winning right before the game? Does god pick sides? Nope. But it is likely that those who do not ask, do not win. quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 And what's wrong with asking for proof of god? To be able to define the parameters of the evidence, first the hypothesis must be defined. For example if the hypothesis is that plants grow because they somehow gather energy, then we can go look for evidence of such energy. So how do you define the concept God as used by you? (Never mind, as long as one thinks that the Sahara is a sea, one is not qualified to distinguish between the Divine and the incarnate gods.) quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 Someone here has a sig that sates we'd be about 1,500 years ahead without religion. I don't know about 1,500 years but I'm pretty sure the Dark Ages would have been a bit shorter. Actually, we used to be thousands of years ahead with religion, even traveling to the stars according to mythology. Our current - and hopefully better - civilization is merely reinventing what we have lost before.

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