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RE: God in your play? - 10/22/2008 7:16:53 PM

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I have to disagree with the whole nihilist train of thought. Just because one does not believe in a diety, or an afterlife it does not mean that they believe there is no reason to live. Some see the absence of an afterlife as the most important reason to live, and live well. If the only thing that will ever reflect on one's life or passage through it are the impacts we have on that life ... well, then leaving a legacy is even more important.

I wasn't fully articulate in my meaning (which is the down side of simplifying an entire philosophical train of thought). Many nihlists subscribe to the thought that there is no point (because nothing lasts, not this life, not any legacy that you leave, nothing), however, you should still live. There's a diverse culture within it... and agenda was the wrong word to use.

I'm also interested in seeing people's ideas of invoking the dominant (or even the submissive) as a deific persona, either conciously or subconciously. I've heard it said that a dominant can become 'like a god' to some submissives, among other things.

Haha, sorry about random psychobabblings. Please please continue to give opinions and such, though!

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RE: God in your play? - 10/24/2008 7:01:49 PM

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i think my search and exploration in this life style honors 'god' in that i seek to know my self and express my true nature. (yes, i'm a fan of kierkegaard)

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RE: God in your play? - 10/24/2008 9:03:47 PM

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But the Nihilist agenda disagrees entirely with the idea, postulating that there IS no diety, no afterlife, and therefore no reason to live...

I have to disagree with the whole nihilist train of thought. Just because one does not believe in a diety, or an afterlife it does not mean that they believe there is no reason to live. Some see the absence of an afterlife as the most important reason to live, and live well....

That's been my feeling. If this is it, better appreciate the gift and seize the day.
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may, you know.

But, concerning the first question, yes, sort of. I certainly can find my lover, and love and sex quite divine, and yet very human. Anyway, better to revere her than an abstract deity that is most likely a psychological projection.

I just saw a little film by Maya Deren called "The Divine Horsemen" about voodoo in Haiti. This thread gives me an excuse to use the notes I scribbled down (as it is somewhat related);

"Voudon has given woman...exclusive title to that which distinguishes humans from all other forms; the capacity to conceive beyond reality, to desire beyond adequacy, to create beyond need.
Voudon salutes woman as the divinity of the dream, the Goddess of Love, the muse of beauty.
She is identified with the Virgin Mary as the mother of man's myth of life. In a sense, she is that very principle by which man conceives and creates divinity.
To man himself, she is as mistress."

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RE: God in your play? - 10/24/2008 9:16:12 PM

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I do not have any external image of God as I follow a path through life shaped and influenced by Theravasda Buddhism.. Therefore there is some omnipresent omnipotent form and this form exists within me as it exists within everyone and everything else. I refer thus to my Soul and it is the voice of this Soul which speaks to me, and it speaks to me and I hear its voice and I respond accordingly.

I write from my own submissive perspective..

I am alive, living and part of the material and physical world and part of me consists of matter. But I am also spiritual, that which cannot be touched, seen but which can be perceived and felt, and this is my spirit, my Soul, that part of me which leaves my material, physical body at some point during the process of my death and moves on.

I perceive the experience of living very much in the same way as smoking a cigarette - it is satisfying a very deep craving which comes from deep within your Soul to live. Natural death for me is that time when your craving is fully satiated and you are prepared to let go and move on, at that time when the life force is spent.

This belief comes from my observations and experiences in life, and a theory of universal law which sees matter consuming matter and energy being released, used, and transformed through a wide ranges of metamorphoses and natural processes. I too am part of this world and subject to the same processes.

When it comes to play the only thing which concerns me is the same as with all my interactions with other people - that flow of energy between us, that it is positive, that it leads to a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction for ideally both, but at least one of us.

For this is but one more thread or silky strand as I am like the spider and building my web of happy memories, astral bonds and positive experiences through humanity and the cosmos in time for when I die.

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RE: God in your play? - 10/24/2008 9:26:35 PM

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IF, and only if..........

A girl has the right sort of ass,

I got that Der Ring Das Niebulungen written all over it. You can fuckin' quote me.

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RE: God in your play? - 10/25/2008 12:18:00 AM

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Life IS spirit for me. So, yeah, I include it...in everything.

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RE: God in your play? - 10/26/2008 4:56:08 PM

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I'm with Wickad. I've thought about it carefully, and realised the world makes much more sense if you assume "God" doesn't exist. It means what I do here and now is far more important.

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RE: God in your play? - 10/27/2008 12:13:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wickad

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ORIGINAL: aravain

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But the Nihilist agenda disagrees entirely with the idea, postulating that there IS no diety, no afterlife, and therefore no reason to live... but we should have the courage to live it anyways.

I have to disagree with the whole nihilist train of thought. Just because one does not believe in a diety, or an afterlife it does not mean that they believe there is no reason to live. Some see the absence of an afterlife as the most important reason to live, and live well. If the only thing that will ever reflect on one's life or passage through it are the impacts we have on that life ... well, then leaving a legacy is even more important.

I think you are both saying the same thing. There is a certain nobility in the face of understanding it all means nothing yet still living the good life.

One thing I am absolutely certain of is that love/desire/sex/bdsm are real and if I find that during my life the memories will always be there even if they are reduced to random electrons blowing in the desert sand on an uninhabitable planet.

< Message edited by ExSteelAgain -- 10/27/2008 12:15:20 AM >

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RE: God in your play? - 10/28/2008 6:15:22 AM

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How do I separate spirit out from anything?
I see all life as interconnected, cut from one cloth.
If it is in all things, then it is in play as well.
Why would it not be.
When two (or more ~ Grins) people connect on such a deep level.
I have to believe something sublime is involved.

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RE: God in your play? - 10/28/2008 6:34:12 AM

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I have a hard time with this one --

On the one hand I wish to find God within my Master and say so. And at times I do feel it. Ephesians 5:22 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."

I realize we are dealing with a wide pantheon of religious beliefs here and that a biblical interpretation is not for everyone, not even all Christians.

I have been known to say some pretty... bad curses involving the name of God, Jesus, etc and have been trying to tone that down the whole time I've been with my Master as he finds his religion very serious. Oddly though, the only place I have been *able* to definitely hold my tongue completely (I still say disparaging words under many circumstances) is in bed. I am capable of not screaming "Oh God" in bed (but it's amazing how hard it is). It's not that he's asked me not to and we've never discussed that, but I feel that he is happier this way.

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RE: God in your play? - 10/28/2008 7:44:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kana

How do I separate spirit out from anything?
I see all life as interconnected, cut from one cloth.
If it is in all things, then it is in play as well.
Why would it not be.
When two (or more ~ Grins) people connect on such a deep level.
I have to believe something sublime is involved.

i agree!

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RE: God in your play? - 10/28/2008 7:09:21 PM

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I love religious play. *sigh*

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