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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 11:09:44 AM

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Sanity, prove a right or left bias in any news group? Your own bias in studying such things would then show as you claim in the case of reporters. News is news, editorial reporting is just that, editorializing. When you watch Hannity and root for the bad guys you know what you are going to hear and see. If you watch the CBS evening news you get reporting of the events. I don't believe at present,I have seen any editorials on any of the evening news, national or local. It used to be fairly common place. Asking for proof of bias is like proving a negative....not easily done and subject to the bias of the individual reporting on the bias...a never ending circle.
As far as the true topic...with Rove, couldn't happen to a nicer guy!....oops, my bias is showing!

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 11:11:57 AM

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with all the commercials - funny they can fit even one viewpoint into a segment.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 11:41:40 AM

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If as a reporter your mind is biased you may not consciensly know that your reporting is biased because of the way the human mind works. What stands out to you as "newsworthy" depends entirely on the way you see things, and reporters go where their biased noses lead them.

.......credit where credit's due. This is spot on and is journalism 101. Bias is unavoidable. Both left and right wing.....or any shade thereof. The trick is to find mechanisms that stop that bias becoming the only viewpoint presented. Something like, oh i don't know, the Fairness Doctrine?

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Bias can be intitutionalized, too. Some news organizations are notoriously biased towards the Left, MSNBC, CBS "News" and the New York Times being three of the most prominent.

.....and some news organisations are notoriously biased the other way , to the right. We have to accept that both such biases exists......and many more besides. We can't, indeed shouldn't, eliminate it.......but we do need to balance it.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 3:19:36 PM

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Sanity, prove a right or left bias in any news group?

Here ya go, for a start.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/22/study_coverage_of_mccain_much.html

http://www.newsbusters.org/

It's sad that I have to keep proving the obvious to so many people here...

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 3:21:52 PM

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Outlawing bias would be a bad idea.

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The trick is to find mechanisms that stop that bias becoming the only viewpoint presented. Something like, oh i don't know, the Fairness Doctrine?

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 3:28:17 PM

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Outlawing bias would be a bad idea.

...actually i agree. Where, i think, we differ is that i'd like to see two opposite biases rather than just one. Think of it as creating competition where a monopoly existed before

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 3:31:01 PM

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Democrats can buy radio stations, they can start programs, they have no need to interfere with the free market to get their ideas published or the opposition shut up. Congress meddling with free speech, especially while Congress (and the Presidency) is controlled by either party, had ought to be deeply offensive to every one of us.

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...actually i agree. Where, i think, we differ is that i'd like to see two opposite biases rather than just one. Think of it as creating competition where a monopoly existed before

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 3:34:23 PM

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Democrats can buy radio stations, they can start programs, they have no need to interfere with the free market to get their ideas published or the opposition shut up. Congress meddling with free speech, especially while Congress (and the Presidency) is controlled by either party, had ought to be deeply offensive to every one of us.

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...actually i agree. Where, i think, we differ is that i'd like to see two opposite biases rather than just one. Think of it as creating competition where a monopoly existed before

...well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one......(shocking i know).....but i am glad that we have at least some common ground on the issue, even if we can't find a way to wholly agree with each others position.
Both sides in a polar debate have a duty to act as a watch dog on the other sides mistakes. You keep on barking, and i'll do the same

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 3:40:33 PM

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Of course Sanity you would believe anything from a sight that espouse Exposing the Liberal Media as it's title....as for the McCain Coverage he chose to "suspend" his campaign and also to choose a woman who seems to be unable to do an interview with such heavy hitters as Katie Couric!...LMAO!
I am so glad you straightened Me out!...I was so deceived by the Liberal Media!....
I cannot help that the candidate you choose to back has the worst campaign advisor's of all time and that the media exposes the fact almost daily and that is considered negative press. McCain is a good man with the poorest of campaign strategies of all time! That is not the fault of the media and what you find obvious and wish to inform those of us who you must prove things to I find a bit laughable.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:09:20 PM

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They post video examples... not something that can be readily faked. You ask for evidence, I provide evidence. It's plain enough, easy enough for me to see it. Look at Dan Rather, lead anchor for CBS, Walter Cronkite's heir... had to resign in disgrace only after he was caught trying to throw the election for Kerry with his fake documents...

I knew that Rather was a weasel for years. Saw right through the guy. Bet you didn't though, did you? All you have to do is keep an open mind and you can see right through these phony talking heads.

A few media classes couldn't hurt either.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:13:46 PM

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.....so I guess the best thing to do is to shoot Rove and have a good day......

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:15:23 PM

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Actually, he should be brought to trial and hung in a public place, like Mussolini.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:16:40 PM

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Let's not be drastic. He could be put to good use as the janitor of a run-down inner city school. Or cleaning bedpans in an old people's home.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:18:25 PM

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What was his crime again?

Disagreeing with the left?

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Let's not be drastic. He could be put to good use as the janitor of a run-down inner city school. Or cleaning bedpans in an old people's home.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:19:43 PM

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You're cute :-) .

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:30:56 PM

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His crimes? Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Felonious Tampering With Elections, Conspiracy To Commit Murder, Intentional Misrepresentation To The Taxpaying Public, Leaking Classified Information, Fraudulent Spending Of Taxpayer Money, Collusion, and hmmmm, what else? I'm not a democrat, and I doubt anybody will hold Clinton or his boys accountable for Waco, NAFTA, or any other treasonous crimes those knuckleheads have committed either. The list goes on, unaccounted for, just like the $2.3 TRILLION that Rumsfeld admitted was "missing by some accounts" on the evening news on Sept. 10th, 2001. Interesting, n'est pas?

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:36:31 PM

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That's nothing new. Hasn't it always been considered criminal in those circles to hold any point of view that runs counter to the Socialists?

On a related note, I see where the Democrats are seriously considering a ban on Right-Wing free speech through a revival of the "Fairness Doctrine" should they gain enough power in the coming elections.

A ban?

How exactly would that work?

The Fairness Doctrine only requires a contrasting viewpoint. How does it in any way limit anyone's free speech?

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 4:42:55 PM

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Considering it was Rupert Murdoch who had the Fairness Doctrine severed in 1986 then media ownership rules widened on 3 different major occasions in the 90s, it would make sense that such a "liberal media" tycoon like Rupert Murdoch would want to "ban right-wing free speech". Yeah right!!! NOT!!! LMAO The very term "liberal media" went out the window when the Fairness Doctrine and limits on media ownership died. Now all we get is the same drivel from the same corporations. Don't expect Bill O'Reilly, Bill Maher, Hannity & Colmes or any of the other corporate mouthpieces to fade away regardless of whether free speech is suspended from either the Republican or Democrat sides. Expect more of the same.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 5:35:09 PM

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By ignoring certain stories, either deliberately or because in their mind it's inconsequential or too damning to Barack Obama... and by endlessly investigating trivial things about Conservatives, such as the cost of clothing or whether or not some plumber guy in Ohio belongs top a union, or owes back taxes...

Let's see.

Wasn't there some guy on here who posted a story recently criticizing what Obama and his wife ordered for dinner?

You wouldn't remember who that was, would you?

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 8:17:57 PM

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Think of how it would work here, on this website, if the owner of collarme were legally obligated to present opposing viewpoints - to give them equal time.

It would shut this website right down.

Which would be the whole point behind such a law in the first place. It has NOTHING to do with "Fairness" and everything to do with shutting down the opposing political voice.

Fire up Air America again, if this is about "Fairness".

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A ban?

How exactly would that work?

The Fairness Doctrine only requires a contrasting viewpoint. How does it in any way limit anyone's free speech?

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