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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 8:19:58 PM   
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Yeah, right...  

His only crime is having an opposing viewpoint. "Thought crimes".


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His crimes?  Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Felonious Tampering With Elections, Conspiracy To Commit Murder, Intentional Misrepresentation To The Taxpaying Public, Leaking Classified Information, Fraudulent Spending Of Taxpayer Money, Collusion, and hmmmm, what else?  I'm not a democrat, and I doubt anybody will hold Clinton or his boys accountable for Waco, NAFTA, or any other treasonous crimes those knuckleheads have committed either.  The list goes on, unaccounted for, just like the $2.3 TRILLION that Rumsfeld admitted was "missing by some accounts" on the evening news on Sept. 10th, 2001.  Interesting, n'est pas?



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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 8:21:41 PM   
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Were I a major media outlet, you might have had a point.

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Let's see.

Wasn't there some guy on here who posted a story recently criticizing what Obama and his wife ordered for dinner?

You wouldn't remember who that was, would you?


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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 8:23:43 PM   
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Oh, look here - what a coincidence. Did you happen to notice the surprise endorsement made by the New York Times today...

They're backing Obama.

What a bombshell...


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Of course Sanity you would believe anything from a sight that espouse Exposing the Liberal Media as it's title....as for the McCain Coverage he chose to "suspend" his campaign and also to choose a woman who seems to be unable to do an interview with such heavy hitters as Katie Couric!...LMAO!
I am so glad you straightened Me out!...I was so deceived by the Liberal Media!....
I cannot help that the candidate you choose to back has the worst campaign advisor's of all time and that the media exposes the fact almost daily and that is considered negative press. McCain is a good man with the poorest of campaign strategies of all time! That is not the fault of the media and what you find obvious and wish to inform those of us who you must prove things to I find a bit laughable.


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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 9:01:02 PM   
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When I can't think of anything original, or on point, I search my book of quotes and stand on the shoulders of giants. This one seems appropriate. 

"The press, confined to truth, needs no other legal restraint."
                                                                                          Thomas Jefferson

I couldn't have said it better.


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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 9:12:00 PM   
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The liberal media seems to mean any kind of media that doesn't pander to right wing ideology. Have you noticed that?



lol so true.  Any media outlet that actually puts out the facts is the "liberal" media.

It  has to be put out by the keystone cops at FIXED News for it not to be liberal.

I guess now Bill O'Riley is gonna call Fox security on me  lool

::raises fist and gives kittinsol a terrorist fist bump:::    BUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA  clowns

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 9:17:19 PM   
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Think of how it would work here, on this website, if the owner of collarme were legally obligated to present opposing viewpoints - to give them equal time.



...come on Sanity......you know and i know that 'equal time' is not what the Fairness Doctrine is about. You had me do my research and i did. So continually printing a baldfaced lie does not reflect well on your brand of conservatism.

i suggested that we were both watchdogs, duty bound to keep each other on our toes.........you're in danger of being the watchdog that cried wolf...........and that does your cause no good, democracy no good.....

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 9:20:42 PM   
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Media bias - here we go. We have a hate crime. Black on white, 6'2" black guy carves a "B" in a white woman's face after he learns that she has a McCain bumper sticker on her car.

Heard about it yet? I doubt it.

Had this been the other way around though, I'm sure it would be the crime of the century by now, at the very least.

Media bias. 


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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/23/2008 9:40:21 PM   
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Said legislation was proposed not recently but in 1993.  It died.  Get your facts straight.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 3:50:00 AM   
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I just want to make sure I understand the republicans' stance on this.... they are saying that MORE speech on a particular political issue is unfair?

Yeah, right...

True, since commentators like Limbaugh took over the airwaves, they've had a pretty easy time of it. All they had to do was sue anyone who gave a direct rebuttal to one of their programs into silence, and they could continue on their merry way, lieing to the general public at worst, and presenting only one side of an argumanet at best. Most of the radio conglomerates are owned and operated by conservative corperations, headed by such "fair and balanced" people like Rupert Murdock. Is it any wonder why the opinions and ideas by the left are never presented?

The republicans are shitting their collective pants over this. IF the American public starts getting FACTS in their heads, (not just slanted opinions about "The Way Things Ought To Be," they might actually start making more informed decisions... and that simply won't do! The GOP runs on appealing to pig-ignorant rednecks. That's their base.


The first time I heard Rush, I had fallen asleep on a couch, woke up to what I thought was a bad comedy show. Swear it. You know, that fuzzy, vague, zombie like feeling you get sometimes when you come crawling off a couch at 3am because it's where you fell asleep and here's some... fanatic on the TV.

I've always tried to look at things from all sides. The "right to reply" exists now, and has existed. There's simply no market for it, or at least not enough of a market so that it makes the same kind of splash. Having listened to both sides, I can honestly say the right wingers are far more entertaining. I can't remember what the left wing radio called itself, Free America or something like that, but I listened for a couple of weeks and it reminded me more of going to a day care and watching toddlers than listening to any real commentary.

What I understand about the "Fairness" doctrine is that it will require stations to give equal time to opposing political viewpoints. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but that's the guts of it. What it really does is alleviate the left from having to create and maintain their own market. After listening to what they had to offer, I can understand the need to use someone else's air time to do so because I think they were essentially bankrupt after a few months. I don't pretend to be the brightest star in the heavens, but half the time I couldn't even follow the commentary between the idiotic sound effects and the rambling conversations.

As far as I'm concerned, people like Rush and Hannity are basically 527 groups and should fall under the same laws. Forcing a broadcaster to carry the other side though steps around the fact that if they ran a good show with some real commentary and real points, lawmakers wouldn't feel the pressure to craft more legislation that tells someone what to do with their property.

And that goes to the gist of it for me. In a free market society, there should be no reason for it. In a place where freedom is bandied about as the shining goal of society, there is no reason to create laws that tell women what to do with their bodies, nor to tell broadcasters what they have to broadcast. I despise legislative attempts that limit freedom. To me, issues like abortion aren't about a woman's rights. They are about rights in general, about keeping society and government out of what are personal decisions. There are all kinds of personal decisions swirling around right wing radio, the most basic being, turn the dial if it doesn't appeal to you and get over the fact that it does appeal to other people. Just above that lies the truth that if there's a real need for opposing viewpoints, someone will create a place for it and make money doing it. This doctrine will kill right wing radio and is targeted towards doing specifically that. Shrug. Whether you love it or hate it, that's what the doctrine is intended to do. Wrap it in any guise you want, but that is the intent.

Personally, I wish both sides would just shut the fuck up and mind their own damned business. Unfortunately, minding their own business isn't something either side is good at doing.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 4:28:41 AM   
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Media bias - here we go. We have a hate crime. Black on white, 6'2" black guy carves a "B" in a white woman's face after he learns that she has a McCain bumper sticker on her car.

Heard about it yet? I doubt it.

Had this been the other way around though, I'm sure it would be the crime of the century by now, at the very least.

Media bias. 



Oh no we all heard about it.    Too bad for you the police think she is a fraud and want to polygraph her. 

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 4:36:00 AM   
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Media bias - here we go. We have a hate crime. Black on white, 6'2" black guy carves a "B" in a white woman's face after he learns that she has a McCain bumper sticker on her car.

Heard about it yet? I doubt it.

Had this been the other way around though, I'm sure it would be the crime of the century by now, at the very least.

Media bias. 



Oh no we all heard about it.    Too bad for you the police think she is a fraud and want to polygraph her. 

K

Yeah, I saw the pic she supposedly took.

Look at her eye. See any evidence of trauma, like broken capillaries, to her eye? See any bruising on her cheekbone or brow?

I haven't looked closely at the "B" but I'll bet I can find something that appears "off" about it too.

Why does Sanity appear so eager to believe a Black man did it?

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 5:25:51 AM   
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funny that she is almost front page news on fox, altho they arent called her ashley the cutter yet,
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/23/mccain-volunteer-says-mugged-b-carved-face/comments/
Now people are talking about her mental health.
The police in Pittsburgh cannot substantiate her claim
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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 5:49:24 AM   
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Rome is burning and here we are fiddling.

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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 6:04:11 AM   
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Of course they are. She's the next Joe the plumber, the guy who dared to ask Obama the wrong question. She'll be destroyed, just  like he was.


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funny that she is almost front page news on fox, altho they arent called her ashley the cutter yet,
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/23/mccain-volunteer-says-mugged-b-carved-face/comments/
Now people are talking about her mental health.
The police in Pittsburgh cannot substantiate her claim
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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 6:13:45 AM   
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Too bad for you the police think she is a fraud and want to polygraph her. 

Nicely documented, but I can't get your link to come up. Punched herself in the eye, too, apparently.
 
Some people appear to be taking Obama's "get in their face" instruction a bit far. And the thing that is starting to trouble me, after reading a number of news stories along the same lines (house shot up in Florida, etc), is why Obama has not commented on this. The silence is overwhelming.
 
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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 6:18:06 AM   
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Obama has commented on this, he has condemned it. I don't fault Obama at all, and I'm well aware that there are kooks and crazies on both sides, but my point was the media coverage.

I had forgotten about Obama's commandment to "get in their face..."

That was pretty bizarre, on his part. Imagine the media reaction if McCain or Palin had said it...


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Too bad for you the police think she is a fraud and want to polygraph her. 

Nicely documented, but I can't get your link to come up. Punched herself in the eye, too, apparently.
 
Some people appear to be taking Obama's "get in their face" instruction a bit far. And the thing that is starting to trouble me, after reading a number of news stories along the same lines (house shot up in Florida, etc), is why Obama has not commented on this. The silence is overwhelming.
 
K.
 
 
 


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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 6:19:10 AM   
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I hope not Sanity, she is in trouble more ways than legally if she did this to herself.
Any decent person would distance themselves from taking advantage of her.
Any party.
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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 6:22:06 AM   
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Obama has commented on this, he has condemned it. I don't fault Obama at all


I wasn't "faulting" Obama for it happening. I don't imagine for a moment that this is the kind of thing he had in mind! I just haven't seen the statements condemning it that you're referring to. Good for him. I'd like to read them. Have a link or two?
 
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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 6:25:29 AM   
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There is this, from the article that I originally linked to:

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Democrat Barack Obama's campaign released a statement saying: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice."


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RE: Karl Rove, citizen arrest on vid - 10/24/2008 6:29:11 AM   
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I hope not Sanity, she is in trouble more ways than legally if she did this to herself.
Any decent person would distance themselves from taking advantage of her.
Any party.

I don't put it past somebody (not necessarily her, but who knows) to pull shit like this to make it look like Obama supporters are a bunch of dangerous crazies. But judging from the way anyone with a McCain sign or tshirt gets jostled, given the finger, called a racist, and generally abused, I don't think they need the help.
 
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