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KatyLied -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 7:47:16 AM)
I guess he was unable to handle her serious injuries and disfigurement. It does say a lot about him.

Musicmystery -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 7:52:54 AM)
Every election people whine about the choices. So get out and collect signatures next time. Campaign. Encourage people you would support to run for local office, then Congress, then...? Or run yourself. I will vote for Obama and be happy to do so. I will also happily support my State representatives (who enjoy wide support here), and happily vote for the challenger for Congress--who started down the street on the school board. No complaints here about the choices.

juliaoceania -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 7:54:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied I guess he was unable to handle her serious injuries and disfigurement. It does say a lot about him. You know, I am not a clinton fan, but at least he didn't leave his wife for a piece of tail. I always had this intuitive feeling they perhaps had an open marriage. It is like old Newty boy.... left his wife when she was dying... couldn't even wait until she kicked the bucket. I just have no respect for that.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 8:22:49 AM)
quote: You've already stated that "McCain has a record... Obama does not," which plainly voids that option as a basis for choosing between them. You are just rationalizing a choice you made for other reasons. K. You should replace that straw hat with a purple turban festooned with jewels, since you're so good at reading minds. What I said hardly voids that option. I am not happy with the choices this time, but McCain clearly has the better record IMO. I stand by what I said, and by my choice. The folks who believe Obama is a magical man that will spread hope and fix it all are deluding themselves IMO. He's a unapologetic Leftist in a moderate's clothing.

LaTigresse -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 8:30:21 AM)
It really all comes down to what you want in a leader (different for different people) and what your personal comfort zone is. Some people see less experience as a detriment, others find it refreshing, when coupled with a brain (unlike Palin) of course. I've gotten more involved in this election than any past election. One thing I've noticed more than anything else is the personality differences that are a commonality in those that support each specific candidate. It has definately been an exciting, and educational, campaign. At least for me.

Lorr47 -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 6:43:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark At least this time there is a difference in the candidates that is real enough to be seen. I think in the last 8 years my personal bias has become so large that I'd vote for anyone not connected in any way to Bush and his policies. I have seen my business start to wither and my worries increase to a point of distraction. I find myself searching for that one piece of good news that I can hold some hope in. I worry and have never really worried before. For the first time in my life I lack a bit of confidence in my ability to change my business fortunes and find it tougher and tougher to think I can. I have developed a bunker mentality and have never thought there would come a day I could not go out and conquer the business world and make the difference in what happens in my financial life and those who work for me and depend on me. There have never been outside forces that I thought I could not control and make growth happen even when times got tough. There will be no bail out for my company, no golden parachute as I lay off great people and no credit available unless I wish to sell my soul and my home...the worst part is that I have equity in my stores and still the risks are too high for anything aside from the most desperate measures. I will figure it out if there is some calm restored to the external world and I think for that to take place there must be dynamic personal leadership....needless to say I have already chosen and to whom my vote goes to. The overriding factor for my vote stems from the fact that I would never vote for McCain for anything . 1. I respectfully incorporate the above quote by reference. McCain turned into a lackey for Bush since 2000. I toyed with backing McCain in 2000 but even then there were too many unresolved questions. Couple the forgoing with a 90% Bush record and there is absolutely no way I would vote for McCain. 2. As far as his war record: Why didn't he take on Colonel Hooper in the last 20+ years. Why didn't he receive increases in grade while he was in captivity (and only minimal increase after he got out)? Why does he keep his official war record sealed? With his admiral father and admiral grand father, McCain should have retired an admiral with the monthly stipend. Some flag officers had to be furious about something he did. I conducted what I call the Thaddeus test. Accuse McCain of being a traitor or a thief (Keating 5), let the volume go from 0 to 100% and see if conservatives can come up with a defense. They really couldn't but it was entertaining. What is also telling is the explosion of his aircraft on a carrier during the Vietnam conflict. While others fought and died in the following explosions on the carrier, McCain invoked his admiral heritage and was taken off the carrier. McCain often cites his experience as a "fighter pilot." All I can find about his flying record is that he probably holds the record for most jets crashed because of arrogance and foolishness until he was shot down. I hazard a guess that there was a "thank god" uttered by the purchasing office of the navy when McCain was shot down. McCain being shot down removed the probability that he would continue crashing jet aircraft. A few more sorties and McCain could have been an ace-----in the North Vietnamese Air force. 3. McCain's real character is shown to a great extent by how he treated his first wife. For a rehash of this issue see the recent article in Rolling Stone. It was so bad that Ronald Reagan got to the point that he would not speak to McCain. Nancy Reagan was recently asked whether she supported McCain. She said "Well, I guess I have to, he is the party's candidate, isn;'t he? You should have seen the sneer on her face. His x should have made McCain a eunuch. Ross Perot paid all her medical bills for a period of time. Ask Ross Perot what he thinks of John McCain. Ross Perot has made no bones about has he feels about McCain's character and why he feels that way. 4. The Keating Five/ Savings & Loan scandal cost the taxpayers about $400,000,000,000. 00 (yes as in billion). However, McCain did save the $400,000.00 that his wife and father in law had invested with Keating. Read any explanation of the debacle and you know he was way over his head and a mere puppet of Keating who in a later biography called McCain a "wimp." McCain quickly sent $115,000 to the Department of Treasury but that doesn't cover all the other graft much less the cost to the public. Invoking the Thaddeus test got the volume over 100% but the only defense prof erred was that he was not convicted. How many Senators have been charged much less convicted? By that test: Since Nixon was not convicted he was guiltless. I can see McCain returning to the senate after his near miss and saying to the other senators: "Friends, that was a near miss and in the future we have to do our best to diminish the effectiveness of those pesky government regulations." The rest of his life he fought regulations and look what we have now Also, McCain retaining the attorney who led the Keating Five investigation was telling to me. If you want to make sure an attorney shuts up, retain him. The cannons of ethics generally prohibit the attorney from talking re a client. McCain has nothing to hide? 5. George Will has asked how we can deal with Mr. Morality. If we even have a honest difference of opinion with Mr. Morality he throws a fit; jumps on tables; throws things and generally acts like a barbarian. And, we are going to send McCain to negotiate? McCain is against diplomacy because he considers everyone else to be wrong. Those are really great credentials for president, an inability to be civil in the most basic sense of the word. Several months ago the media interviewed a few of McCain's friends who were not supporting him The gist of their statements was that McCain is light years worse than Cheney. No thanks. 6. McCain originally said that a major consideration in picking a vice president was the nominee's ability to be president. Then he picked Palin after refusing access to meaningful medical records. Too much has already been said about the choice but I picture him climbing the Statute of Liberty with a 2 x 4 in order to bash the lady in the face multiple times with that pick. Additionally, Palin is "bible thumping" pro life. I suspect that many know my opinion about bible thumper pro life people from other posts so I will let it go. The thought of more Neo Nazi justices being appointed sickens me. However, I would like to announce a scientific discovery. Pro life bible thumpers are not submissives. I have asked, requested, cajoled numerous bible thumpers to allow me to shove their bibles up their ass and all have refused---not even an abridged edition. I will vote for Biden. Maybe more than once. I have bought a Minnie Mouse outfit and numerous Dallas Cheerleader outfits.

Roselaure -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 7:25:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella I'm guessing there will be at least one vacancy in the next 4 years to be filled. I would think most likely two. Justice Stevens most certainly, and probably Justice Ginsberg as well, especially if Obama wins. The others, barring unforseen illness or tragedy are pretty solid. To address the OP. I have based my decision upon which candidate I believe most closely shares my core political beliefs and worldview. Who I think is most likely to take this country in the direction it needs to go.

caitlyn -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 7:42:47 PM)
Neither choice really excites me, nor do I fear either one. I think either could be a very good President, or a very bad one. Like others here, my choice comes down to Supreme Court nominations. The court is too far to the right. It will be better to have the potential of a dynamic leader, that will move the courts further to the left, in my view. Even Roe vs. Wade, which I heavily oppose, is the will of the people ... so needs to stay in place.

BlackPhx -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 7:48:59 PM)
I voted and so did Master. Both of us have watched since day one, examined records that are available, listened to the speeches, debates, rhetoric, and eyed the choices made in VP as for either candidate as always that is the person who will step up and fulfill the office if something dire happens. I watched as one man stayed focused, calm under attack, and professional despite provocation, throughout. I watched as another started out confident and forceful, but began to deteriorate and and behave in ways that made me wonder and have concern for his sanity. To smirk at your opponent during debate or at your own rally, is to say to me you will do so when dealing with the leaders of other countries if they are not saying what you wish to hear. I listened as one VP choice made gaffes but displayed a full understanding of the job of VP, a knowledge that in a tumultuous world no matter who became President was likely to face trial and adversity within their first 60 days. I listened as another spewed half truths and venom, while claiming to be the same as my family and I, just another struggling parent, and spent enough money in one month to support 3 families for a year when so many were worried about their jobs and homes. When my choice came down to it, it was easy and made months ago, and I have not found anything to date to change my mind. Not enough experience? There is No One save someone who has sat in the seat of President who has enough experience. Being a Senator or a Governor cannot and will not give that experience. Neither make the hard decisions about how to deal with the heads of Government of other Nations. Neither has had to make the final decision on anything that will affect an entire nation. Congress is a democracy, everyone has a vote, the majority carries. Experience 27 years ago as a pilot and POW doesn't mean you are ready today to sit in that oval office. Being President of the Harvard Law Review doesn't make you any more qualified, either. It is about character. Not Name, Not Race. Character pure and simple. Rarely are our issues addressed, but one addressed our concerns another our fears and strove to make us more fearful. Rarely do we hear more than the party line, but one said we need to hear what is going on and be informed, another was ready to blow us off. Character is being willing to listen, to admit you don't have all the answers, but are willing to work with people to find them. Character is being willing to sit down and work out problems Character is being willing to stay the course no matter how hard it gets, and keep the high ground, Morally, Intellectually and in Demeanor Character is taking the time to make a decision on your second in command and your advisors with an eye towards filling the areas you are weakest in to make sure that you are giving the people who have faith in you the best you can. Character is inspiring even people of the Opposition to support you. We can be world leaders again, we can pull out of this financial mess with effort, we may even be able to bring the jobs home, but we are never going to be able to do it by repeating the same mistakes over and over again. We need new blood in the White house, we need new thinking, not the same old ways that brought us to this point. Insanity is repeating the same actions over and over again and hoping for a different outcome. poenkitten

Musicmystery -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 7:54:47 PM)
Damn. Well done.

awmslave -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 8:09:36 PM)
I am not voting but it seems people feel obligation to choose between two candidates. There is no such an obligation. I think if one does not know which candidate he/she supports the right choice would be not to vote for president. Then the integrity of democratic vote will be preserved. Considering the democrat led congress and senat approval in single digits and republican president approval historically low there should be logically third party winning. Not in US: two leading parties have effecivly monopolized power through money and media manipulation. The presidencial election process have efficiently been turned into theater of absurd. Candidates who have some understanding about reality like Ron Paul for instance are viewed as unfit. Are we moving towards idiocracy? Will US follow the path of Soviet Union where government became so corrupt and incompetent that it was unable to govern? US government is unable to have or execute any long term plan and it follows the path nowhere the same way SU did. I have not heared a clear understanding or any realistic plan or policy about any major US problems from two sacred party candidates. Is it a secret or they do not want to say: all "change" will be complete by midnight Nov. 4, 2008?

MissSCD -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/25/2008 9:15:19 PM)
*When it gets like this, you vote for your party. I have been a registered democrat since 1977. I mix it up. I cannot vote for McCain. I will vote for Barack who I really like.* *I will get glad when t his damn election is over. I am glad it only comes around every four years.* *Regards, MissSCD*

DreamsOfSpider -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 2:50:06 AM)
I don't feel I need to study every detail of every issue to get the gist. And picking a candidate based on how often their supporters are disrespected seems... rather odd. And won't it take just as much time and analysis to figure out who's disrespecting who the most? Certainly both parties have people out to bash the other side. I'm voting for Obama because I think he might actually be good at the job.

sirsholly -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 3:06:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata . So I've decided to judge the candidates by their supporters Hmm....so you are going to tag behind those of us who think for ourselves...[8\|]

TNstepsout -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 5:31:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub For me my vote for McCain is as easy as those of you voting for Obama. He defines more of the America I love and want to maintain. I don't believe you change countries by destroying what has made it what it is today...a place where millions of people choose to come to and don't choose to leave. With all its warts and scabs, we have the best country in the world. Obama believes he has a Messianic like destiny, his "salvation" is based on his ability to change us all...that the country is built from the bottom up. Seriously, how many jobs have people at the bottom created, how many new industries have grown out of the "make work" projects of government. Sure the democrats talk about "investing" in the future of America..but governments don't "invest"..they "SPEND...after the powers that be take their vig, put pals in high paying jobs..and waste the fruits of american labor. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the future under Obama: http://www.spunkyhomeschool.blogspot.com/ It's interesting that you see it that way. I think that McCain represents what is WORST about our country and the attitude that has caused the most damage. He is the epitomy of an outdated imperialistic attitude about our place in the world, and one that has caused our country to grow enemies and lose allies all over the world. People hate us, they really, really hate us. Don't you think under current conditions that it's dangerous to maintain that same superior attitude?

juliaoceania -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 5:40:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata . So I've decided to judge the candidates by their supporters Hmm....so you are going to tag behind those of us who think for ourselves...[8\|] Hopefully he is going to side with those who do not need to get personal because someone disagrees with them politically

VonneCat -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 6:00:44 AM)
I'm a Democrat, though my views tend to lean more toward socialism. I am scared to death of a war against Iran. I wish to god (who ever he/she may be), that no one ever should have to pay a dime for health care. Every poor person deserves the same right to medical treatment as rich people. Everyone deserves the oppertunity to be well educated. No one should ever be denied the right to marry who ever the choose to love and be with for the rest of their life regardless of gender. I don't mind paying high taxes, so long as the money goes to these things. I am personally ashamed that the money I give to my goverment is spent on policing the world. I am baffled by oil wars. Especially when we can't handle any other sort of crisis here in the states (Katrina, ect.). I love my country. I support the troops. I just don't understand why my money is not being spent by my goverment to take care of its people. I don't understand why they would spend so much of it on the effort to kill people elsewhere when they could be spending it here to raise the standard of living for the people who call this country home. Your PenPal -Vonne

corysub -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 6:07:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNstepsout quote: ORIGINAL: corysub For me my vote for McCain is as easy as those of you voting for Obama. He defines more of the America I love and want to maintain. I don't believe you change countries by destroying what has made it what it is today...a place where millions of people choose to come to and don't choose to leave. With all its warts and scabs, we have the best country in the world. Obama believes he has a Messianic like destiny, his "salvation" is based on his ability to change us all...that the country is built from the bottom up. Seriously, how many jobs have people at the bottom created, how many new industries have grown out of the "make work" projects of government. Sure the democrats talk about "investing" in the future of America..but governments don't "invest"..they "SPEND...after the powers that be take their vig, put pals in high paying jobs..and waste the fruits of american labor. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the future under Obama: http://www.spunkyhomeschool.blogspot.com/ It's interesting that you see it that way. I think that McCain represents what is WORST about our country and the attitude that has caused the most damage. He is the epitomy of an outdated imperialistic attitude about our place in the world, and one that has caused our country to grow enemies and lose allies all over the world. People hate us, they really, really hate us. Don't you think under current conditions that it's dangerous to maintain that same superior attitude? I see..McCain represent the worst about our country you say...Two decades serving his country in the military, on to years of public service with a record of important legislation with bi-partisan sponsorship, fights his own personal health issues successfully, and at 72 years of age, a guy who still wants to serve knowing full well the heavy responsibilities of the office because he feels he has something to contribute, certainly not for political gain or money at this point in his life. Yea...maybe times have really changed in this country and a man like McCain does represent the "worst about our country" in the eyes of so many liberal challanged people out there who wait for the "Big Daddy Government" to show them..to "tell them" what is best for them... On the other hand, you have Barack...and you can have him. A man who all of his life has been like "flypaper" attracting a host of not just liberal, but radical leftist associates, working with a training people in organizations like ACORN which is now being investigate for registration fraud in over a dozen states, and where about 400,000 registrations out of over a million submitted are being questioned as fictitious. You have Obama who is like an oil painting...rich intense colors and beauty as you gaze at it and analyze what the artist is trying to say....damn his strokes are genious...and than, and than you move up closer and closer...and it becomes one big blur.... And that is Obama..the closer you get to the man the more of a "blur" he becomes, and people still argue about who Obama really might be under his "words" of hope and "change". You made your choice on what your values are, as I have made mine. We have an interesting week or so ahead of us..and the key here is not what you or I think, casting stones of words at each other..but what people who are still on the sidelines after all the hundreds of millions in ads, the billions of words pro-con each candidate. In addition, there may also be a "surprise" from those who are supporting a candidate now but on basically weak grounds, and might change their mind when they get into the booth as to who "represents the worst, and who represents the best, of what makes our country great....

MmeGigs -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 6:11:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 My vote is a vote of confidence in a candidate. I have no confidence in Obama or McCain. So i looked for somebody that i did have confidence in. Take a look at the Frontline documentary - The Choice 2008. You'll feel a lot better about both of the candidates.

corysub -> RE: On What Basis Will You Choose? (10/26/2008 6:15:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Nobody has time to study every detail of every issue, and there is no guarantee that a candidate will actually do what he says anyway. So I've decided to judge the candidates by their supporters, and vote for the candidates who, along with their supporters, are most often subjected to disrespect or worse. Because I have finally realized that I cannot feel comfortable voting for candidates who get so much support from people who treat their fellow citizens with utter contempt. K. Both sides have people that support them that they cringe at. I mean just yesterday this whacked chick carved a backwards B in her face so that she could claim she was attacked by Obama supporters. I would think it would be better to judge a person based upon the company they personally keep. Example... John McCain left his first wife for a rich broad that could help his career... Is that what John told you, or did Cindy let you in on their little secret. I guess McCain did not have enough of a record in his own life experience to succeed in politics. If only he had Obama's resume..Would love to see the evidence of your example....and you should share it with the Obama campaign. That's the only arguement I have not heard them make up about McCain. I do agree with your point, however, that we should judge people by the company they keep..Lets see, Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Marshall, ACORN... I only hope you are right and that most people see it the way you do. Could make for a "Truman affect" in November.

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