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starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:10:00 AM)
Greetings..~smiles~ I would truely hate to think that making the commitment of becoming M/s is based on "if somebody comes along that can do something better" your out the door. I can understand if either or decided they no longer wished to live this life (which happens). The only reasoning Master ever gives to me of being sent away is if I stop serving. If it's a question of someone doing something better than I that He'd enjoy, then my training in that "area" would increase to improve or another option would be to extend the family to include another slave more proficient in that or those areas. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:12:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned I would truely hate to think that making the commitment of becoming M/s is based on "if somebody comes along that can do something better" your out the door. My relationships wasn't BASED on it, but it was a perfectly understood part of the relationship. If the owner wanted to sell me or give me away permanently, he could. And if someone else came along who was a better fit and slave, it would have been a very viable option.

Webmaster60 -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:18:23 AM)
quote: Why does a slave care about being held above all others? If a slave came around who could do a better job of it, wouldn't she just be replaced? Actually it was something from one of the books, but it wasn't above all other slaves, it was above all other "women". Its about value. if she becomes less valuable through word or deed or other circumstance, then yes, she may be replaced. But why place your normal gloom and doom on the D/s M/s Side of it? Reality? Nilla, M/s whatever. If you have made an investment in someone and there is no ROI.. You end it. Simple.

KnightofMists -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:19:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned Greetings..~smiles~ I would truely hate to think that making the commitment of becoming M/s is based on "if somebody comes along that can do something better" your out the door. I can understand if either or decided they no longer wished to live this life (which happens). The only reasoning Master ever gives to me of being sent away is if I stop serving. If it's a question of someone doing something better than I that He'd enjoy, then my training in that "area" would increase to improve or another option would be to extend the family to include another slave more proficient in that or those areas. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin there are those that value on a slave is based on the tangiable usefulness of a slave... it is not my way but it does exists... I suggest one be very careful in this path.... for everyone's usefulness will degrad with the passage of time. If a person truly is believing that the value of a slave is on their usefulness... then consider yourself expendable as well. Myself, the value of slave is on their character, which is never expendable, but can be empowering.

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:29:53 AM)
It has been explained to me that the value of the slave is their willingness and want to serve. In that..this is the usefullness. I guess I can't imagine a Master that can't be imaginative enough to find alternate ways of using a slave He's already invested time into to train as long as the willingness and desire to serve that Master is there and going strong in the heart. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:37:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Webmaster60 But why place your normal gloom and doom on the D/s M/s Side of it? Reality? Nilla, M/s whatever. If you have made an investment in someone and there is no ROI.. You end it. Simple. Not sure why you think that it's my "normal doom and gloom"?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:40:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned I guess I can't imagine a Master that can't be imaginative enough to find alternate ways of using a slave He's already invested time into to train as long as the willingness and desire to serve that Master is there and going strong in the heart. If he wanted to. For me, a boy can have all the good intentions in the world...he can WANT to serve with every breath in his little lungs. But if I don't see actual service being accomplished, you aren't going to be a submissive to me. And selling or giving a slave away is a great alternative- it could give you a lot of liquid assets to work with, or something else you really want, whether it's physical return or something intangible like being in someone's good graces.

Sensualips -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 10:54:12 AM)
quote: But, when the pudent choice as been made... then intensity of action, thought and feelings are indeed a treasured quality. Intensity is often confused with just emotions, but it can be viewed in other lights as well. Thank you for clarification. Interesting.

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 11:05:38 AM)
quote: For me, a boy can have all the good intentions in the world...he can WANT to serve with every breath in his little lungs. But if I don't see actual service being accomplished, What I see from this statement is poor training from the Owner. I find it very difficult for a slave to "want and desire" to serve a said Master (taking this strictly from the standpoint that this slave has already been in the service for some time of said Master), and the failure to thusly see results with that "want and desire" as a poor reflection on the training they received. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 11:13:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned What I see from this statement is poor training from the Owner. I find it very difficult for a slave to "want and desire" to serve a said Master (taking this strictly from the standpoint that this slave has already been in the service for some time of said Master), and the failure to thusly see results with that "want and desire" as a poor reflection on the training they received. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin It COULD be that. Or it COULD be some other thing. A person can be a fabulous partner for me and not at all a good submissive. For example, if a sub has a particular hard limit that clashes with my own...it's not due to my failing or theirs that they can't be my slave. They might WANT to be my slave as deeply as possible, but if they've got some key hard limit preventing the relationship as a whole to function and be fulfilling, then there's just no point to it.

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 11:27:54 AM)
Okay, but now your changing the scenerio to reflect one of "not" having already owned this slave for sometime, and them being in service to you. If your not then it's not good that you wouldn't of already known what their "limits" were before you took Ownership of them. That still has no real relevancy to "booting" a slave out because a perceived better slave caught your fancy. In that stance it just seems very much like a game or the persons involved not wanting to invest in a commitment. To each his own I guess :/. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 11:36:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned Okay, but now your changing the scenerio to reflect one of "not" having already owned this slave for sometime, and them being in service to you. If your not then it's not good that you wouldn't of already known what their "limits" were before you took Ownership of them. That still has no real relevancy to "booting" a slave out because a perceived better slave caught your fancy. In that stance it just seems very much like a game or the persons involved not wanting to invest in a commitment. To each his own I guess :/. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin OK so tweak it- I own a slave. For whatever reason, my priorities change. Or perhaps their priorities change. Or perhaps some yucky bad disaster happens. They are no longer the best fit to serve me. The slave still wants to serve, but is unable to do so, through no fault of mine or theirs. Giving the slave away, trading, or selling them is a perfectly viable option and in fact might be the best course for everyone involved.

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:10:58 PM)
quote: OK so tweak it- I own a slave. For whatever reason, my priorities change. Or perhaps their priorities change. Or perhaps some yucky bad disaster happens. They are no longer the best fit to serve me. The slave still wants to serve, but is unable to do so, through no fault of mine or theirs. Giving the slave away, trading, or selling them is a perfectly viable option and in fact might be the best course for everyone involved. If your prioritys change..if they are your slave then your prioritys become their prioritys as well and you teach them. If your talking about it going against initial limits they had..um well then guess that would fall under "them no longer wanting to serve you" because you renigged on your initial commitment of honor. If it's just you want more, and has nothing to do with their initial limit agreements with you..then it still goes one way or the other..they want and desire to serve you still, or they do not. This still falls under what I said of it being logical and acceptable of being sold or traded if the slave is no longer wanting to serve. If their prioritys change..then as your slave, if that change does not coincide with your willing to address them..then again, this would fall under "them no longer wanting to serve" you if they can not accept your ruling. If the Owner has that little of value to place on a slave that they make that important of a commitment to Own in the first place as to dump them somewhere else because they lost an arm or leg due to a no fault of theirs or yours in an accident, and the Owner is that shallow and unimaginative to have given value to that slave to find alternate ways to allow them to continue serving..well imho it just doesn't say much about the Owners character. Not much of a Master if they have a slave in service that can no longer perform a certain service but can do many other things, and is very willing and wanting to do so, if they just toss them aside because another slave came along that can perform that one service. Again though, if the slave knows they have no real value to begin with before entering into this ..then thats all that counts. I think it just is different as we seem to see what the idea of "serving" entails. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:28:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned If your prioritys change..if they are your slave then your prioritys become their prioritys as well and you teach them. It's a nice theory, but not always applicable to reality. Sometimes it really would be the best choice to trade/sell. quote: If it's just you want more, and has nothing to do with their initial limit agreements with you..then it still goes one way or the other..they want and desire to serve you still, or they do not. My point is that wanting to serve and being able to serve are two different things, and not being able to serve is sometimes not at all to do with training or time. quote: If their prioritys change..then as your slave, if that change does not coincide with your willing to address them..then again, this would fall under "them no longer wanting to serve" you if they can not accept your ruling. A slave can still desire to serve and know that serving within that relationship is not the best thing for them. A master can desire a slave to serve them but know that serving within that relationship is not the best thing for them. quote: If the Owner has that little of value to place on a slave that they make that important of a commitment to Own in the first place as to dump them somewhere else because they lost an arm or leg due to a no fault of theirs or yours in an accident, Since when is trading/selling the same as dumping? You're putting your own values there. quote: and the Owner is that shallow and unimaginative to have given value to that slave to find alternate ways to allow them to continue serving.. I didn't say that there weren't alternate solutions- simply that selling/trading is just as good a solution and sometimes is the best solution. An owner who chooses that solution is not necessarily being shallow or unimaginative. quote: well imho it just doesn't say much about the Owners character. Not much of a Master if they have a slave in service that can no longer perform a certain service but can do many other things, and is very willing and wanting to do so, if they just toss them aside because another slave came along that can perform that one service. Again I never said "toss them aside." And I didn't say just one service- I said was a better fit as a slave.

KnightofMists -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:29:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned quote: For me, a boy can have all the good intentions in the world...he can WANT to serve with every breath in his little lungs. But if I don't see actual service being accomplished, What I see from this statement is poor training from the Owner. I find it very difficult for a slave to "want and desire" to serve a said Master (taking this strictly from the standpoint that this slave has already been in the service for some time of said Master), and the failure to thusly see results with that "want and desire" as a poor reflection on the training they received. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin my girls have all the want and desire to serve... but if I want to beat their "cock" well I have a problem don't I... how is it my training them has anything to do with what they don't have in the first place. Just because a slave wants and desires to serve doesn't mean they have what is useful for the master to use and no amount of training is going to change the facts! Realistically... what about the poor girl that has wanted and served as my pain slut for years and very much as done that very fact... and then well their bodies just can't take it any more... in fact to use them in the same manner when they are 35 would actually be harmful to them when they are 85. Want and desire is not enough! Training is irrelevant . No want or desire from anyone can change that facts of time. If you wish to think that the value of you is in your want and desire to serve... great... but don't think a slaves desire and want to serve will neccessary give everything the master will want... regardless of training. I can't make my van into a sports car... or vice vrs. You have what you have... maximize what it is!

Delvin -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:36:34 PM)
quote: Why does a slave care about being held above all others? If a slave came around who could do a better job of it, wouldn't she just be replaced? I'm placing about as much value on this as this statement is indicating. Anything said beyond this has seemed to have alittle more passion and reasoning to it. That statement is shallow, valueless, and gives indication of just being passed off elsewhere because a better piece of ass came along. (Sorry yes..moved to living room to eat, and at Masters pc.) starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:42:20 PM)
quote: Just because a slave wants and desires to serve doesn't mean they have what is useful for the master to use and no amount of training is going to change the facts! This is very true KnightofMists Sir..however, shouldn't of this been determined before you came to Own them? Their want and desire to serve "you" in the first place is very important because without it..you have no slave. (and yes ..back at own little cubby hole now) starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:46:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Delvin I'm placing about as much value on this as this statement is indicating. Anything said beyond this has seemed to have alittle more passion and reasoning to it. That statement is shallow, valueless, and gives indication of just being passed off elsewhere because a better piece of ass came along. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin OR it's a realistic understanding of slavery by which the slave is considered property and the master has assessed all of the situations and considers this absolutely the best course of events for everyone involved.

KnightofMists -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:54:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned quote: Just because a slave wants and desires to serve doesn't mean they have what is useful for the master to use and no amount of training is going to change the facts! This is very true KnightofMists Sir..however, shouldn't of this been determined before you came to Own them? Their want and desire to serve "you" in the first place is very important because without it..you have no slave. (and yes ..back at own little cubby hole now) starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin aaaaaww but you make the assumption that anyone person, Master or slave will know all their wants and desires from the outset.... if you and your Master did that is great for you... but you will be the first such people that I have heard of that knows these things before they entered into the relationship... it has been my observation that peoples wants and desire have changed thru the passage of time and experience. their want and desire to serve is but a step to slavehood... The strengths of character came long before there desire and wnat to serve me. If they didn't have that... well they wouldn't of give a moments notice to be my slave in the first place.... If I didn't have the strengths of character that I have... they would not have that want and desire to serve me that you speak of. Want and desire to serve... is not a foundation block... it is the effect or result of admired character observed by the slave to the Master. I value the root that caused this effect not the result of it.

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 12:58:08 PM)
It is realistic and goes quite well with all the "players", "gamers", "i'm a worthless" slave threads posted here and everywhere else. However again, it the slave knows they are of that little value to be passed off or sold if something perceived better comes along, despite the fact that their service has not demished nor their desire and willingness to serve is still there and strong...then as said before..to each his own. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

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