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LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 1:00:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned However again, it the slave knows they are of that little value to be passed off or sold if something perceived better comes along, despite the fact that their service has not demished nor their desire and willingness to serve is still there and strong...then as said before..to each his own. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin You're assuming that being sold off or traded somehow means they aren't very much valued. Not sure why you assume that.

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 1:12:34 PM)
quote: Realistically... what about the poor girl that has wanted and served as my pain slut for years and very much as done that very fact... and then well their bodies just can't take it any more... in fact to use them in the same manner when they are 35 would actually be harmful to them when they are 85. Well I guess if you can get a 35yr old woman when your 85..your rockin Sir! However, taken that original statement as it was written reflects shallowness, non-commitment, playing party favors, and ditching one flavor when another flavor comes along. If that 85yr old pain slut can no longer serve the reason she was in service to begin with..that is entirely different than being sold off or given away because something better came along. If she can no longer serve as a pain slut and that is strictly all she is and has ever been to you..then she is not serving. Alot of different light on the subject if you want to open it up to indicate a Master/slave relationship is solely based on "one" thing. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 1:16:05 PM)
Why does a slave care about being held above all others? If a slave came around who could do a better job of it, wouldn't she just be replaced? Dunno Lucky..you tell me? How does that statement read to you in terms of value? starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 1:22:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned Dunno Lucky..you tell me? How does that statement read to you in terms of value? starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin It means that the slave is property to be used and be made useful, and that if another slave came around who would fit better, that everyone involved should recognize it and make appropriate changes. Ideally everyone wants everyone else to be the most fulfilled as possible. Whether the replacement occurs by giving the old slave a new set of jobs with the same master or a new set of jobs with the new master is dependent on the preferences/particulars of the relationship.

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 1:24:49 PM)
quote: Just because a slave wants and desires to serve doesn't mean they have what is useful for the master to use and no amount of training is going to change the facts! Lol okay..are you saying that you dont know what the slave has to offer and will be useful to you before you take Ownership of them Sir? If they don't have what is useful for the Master to use..then how did they become Master/slave to begin with? Again, this is going along with that original statement that presumes that a slave is and has been "already" Owned and in service, and something perceive better came along, and said Owned slave was sold off or passed on elsewhere. and the willingness and desire to serve is personalized which is why I stated it was explained to "me". starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

starshineowned -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 1:39:17 PM)
quote: It means that the slave is property to be used and be made useful, and that if another slave came around who would fit better, that everyone involved should recognize it and make appropriate changes. Ideally everyone wants everyone else to be the most fulfilled as possible. Whether the replacement occurs by giving the old slave a new set of jobs with the same master or a new set of jobs with the new master is dependent on the preferences/particulars of the relationship. Thats much less abrasive than the original statement thankyou starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

KnightofMists -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 1:59:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned quote: Realistically... what about the poor girl that has wanted and served as my pain slut for years and very much as done that very fact... and then well their bodies just can't take it any more... in fact to use them in the same manner when they are 35 would actually be harmful to them when they are 85. Well I guess if you can get a 35yr old woman when your 85..your rockin Sir! However, taken that original statement as it was written reflects shallowness, non-commitment, playing party favors, and ditching one flavor when another flavor comes along. If that 85yr old pain slut can no longer serve the reason she was in service to begin with..that is entirely different than being sold off or given away because something better came along. If she can no longer serve as a pain slut and that is strictly all she is and has ever been to you..then she is not serving. Alot of different light on the subject if you want to open it up to indicate a Master/slave relationship is solely based on "one" thing. starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin mmmmmm but your putting your moral judgements on others actions that have nothing to do with you. Sure you do not want a Master that would replace you or give you away, just because you don't want it doesn't mean others are not accepting of the fact. I myself don't align myself with that type of actions... but I am not so presumptous to judge it wrong for others to do if such actions are actually for the Better of all involved. In fact... I must say that i would have far more respect for a person that has the foresight and strength to give their slave to another who is better suited to them. However, I have never actually seen such a situation occur and would suspect it to be a highly unlikely occurance of being successful in the long term. I have however, seen alot of strange things.... I have seen swingers Swap wives.. not just for a day or week ... But after 10 years plus of marriage... swapped and these people are still best friendship and together with there respective swap partners after another 10 years plus. It is not a D/s lifestyle, but the point is... no matter the lifestyle... there are particular rare situations that do and can occur.. given enough time and interactions with people you will see alot of things... many of them can blow past your own personal limitations. It doesn't make them better or worse than you... but for you to judge them negatively just because it is different that you would allow is only reflects less of you and not more. First... I did not say that my slave was only a pain slut to me.. that is your poor assumption/judgement... but that is one aspect of her service that is indeed significant... but no less significant as sex. sharing intellectual thought/opinions or keeping the house clean etc etc. All these things and more are affected with the passage of time and subject to change base on my will and pleasures. I have very intense M/s relationship. My definition is fundamentally this simple... M/s Relationship is defined as a consensual relationship between two individuals; the Master and the slave. It is when The Master’s “Will” is exercised over the “Will” of the slave in any and all manners that are determined by the Master. Therefore, The Master has Free-will while the slave has ‘enslaved-will”. this definition doesn't reflect limitations or morality... if one wishes to give themself to me... they better know my Will (beliefs, values, principles, character, needs and desires etc etc etc) before they commit themself to my "Will". There limitations are only protected by my own limitations and actions that would harm their well being... for the second aspect that is fundamental to them and their well-being besides the definition of M/s relationship... Is my Code "Do thy Will, Harm None" this is directly in relationship to my slaves. This is my only commitment to my slaves and what protects them as they want and desire to serve my will. I have done alot to them and will do more. I have given alandra to others on numerous occassions (BDSM, Sex to non-BDSM/sex services)... would I give her to someone for good.... NO... not because it would harm her but simple becuase it is not my desire to do so. My kyra is learning how difficult it can be to my slave. she is learning that I am not soft in my play or easy to please in many regards... she has watched me do acts of pain to her and others that thrill me... but never to the point of harming another. alandra has a lock on her collar, kyra does not. the lock on alandra's collar symbolizes the complete union of the two of us. When krya earns that lock... it is a symbol of the union of not just her and I... but it will be symbol of the three of us in union! It is all fine and dandy to say that one wants and desires to serve... but a slave better becareful who they give them self to... for many would quickly run screaming from the things I expect enjoy and do with my slaves. This doesn't make them worse or less... just not compatiable to me. Once I have a slave she is mine forever... what ever she is... I will maximize it... I recognize that time changes the persons' abilities and talents and in general their usefullness. But, it doesn't change the spirit of their character within that has and will motivate them thru years of slavehood.

KnightofMists -> RE: Doms perspective (12/16/2005 2:10:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned quote: Just because a slave wants and desires to serve doesn't mean they have what is useful for the master to use and no amount of training is going to change the facts! Lol okay..are you saying that you dont know what the slave has to offer and will be useful to you before you take Ownership of them Sir? I am not sure how you get from A and then go to 1.... you thinking really seems to escape me here. shakes head waste of time... I am done with you

leea -> RE: Doms perspective (12/27/2005 6:24:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross My relationships wasn't BASED on it, but it was a perfectly understood part of the relationship. If the owner wanted to sell me or give me away permanently, he could. And if someone else came along who was a better fit and slave, it would have been a very viable option. i am fairly new and this is my first post. i am trying to understand the dynamics of such that was written above. Are you saying that when you agreed to be His that He had discussed the fact that if at any time during the relationship He became unhappy with you or just because He wanted to He could give you away or sell You to another of His choice? Or after some time when nature tends to take it's course and you change physically He could chose another younger one for Him and you could be gone?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms perspective (12/27/2005 6:27:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leea i am fairly new and this is my first post. i am trying to understand the dynamics of such that was written above. Are you saying that when you agreed to be His that He had discussed the fact that if at any time during the relationship He became unhappy with you or just because He wanted to He could give you away or sell You to another of His choice? Or after some time when nature tends to take it's course and you change physically He could chose another younger one for Him and you could be gone? Yes to both.

fastlane -> RE: Doms perspective (12/27/2005 7:23:49 PM)
Fastlane...stands and applauds...so many good answers...to my original question. Thank you all. Now, his perspective? The crowd is silent.....I look for my person to sign...for the deaf..It is politcally correct!.......fingers ready. Speech prepared. Here we go ....Love and be loved in return!

windy135 -> RE: Doms perspective (12/28/2005 12:35:34 PM)
....Love and be loved in return! Fastlane reminds me of a moulin rouge movie (wipes tear) "the greatest thing you could ever learn is to love and be loved in return" something I have yet to learn.. hmm its on my to do list! [/quote]

Focus50 -> RE: Doms perspective (12/28/2005 3:05:19 PM)
Where BDSM is concerned, the only important initial traits to me are that she's A) female, B) submissive, C) available monogamously, D) preferably hetero, E) preferably local. After the above is sorted, the most important "trait" of all is to mutually connect! So melting hearts or deserved spankings etc are merely part of a functioning RELATIONSHIP. And there wouldn't even be a relationship without mutual respect. But to answer such a simple question, a "deserved spanking" is anytime I'm in the mood and she's NOT being a brat. BDSM is important in that it provides the only means in which I'm interested in connecting. But to connect or chemistry etc; that's solely about 2 individuals and what happens when they come together. Focus.

amayos -> RE: Doms perspective (12/28/2005 7:09:04 PM)
Simply, she shows intelligence, willingness, taste, authentic submission and imagination.

mons -> RE: Doms perspective (12/29/2005 2:48:40 AM)
i do not know why but i am morecomfortable writing in the dom's and master place , now i know the most important thing for me is trust and no lying a sweet and kind nature, but for me as a domme i seek in my men strenght of character, a knonledgeable brain smart shy but willing to learn and if they mistake and they are new to me i will give them a chance i know it may not work but this is what i seek in a slave, submissive they do not need to act submissive in public i have no need for that, they know who is in comtrol without anyone knowing but him and i that is a powerful part for me oh yes no brats mons [;)]

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