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Aneirin -> Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 4:21:34 AM)
Now this has been bugging me for a while, George Bush's war on terror, what exactly is it ? Is the war on terror an actual war, or just a convenient excuse ? So instead of going about the globe killing people that fit certain criteria, is there not an easier way to fight terror, is killing the only way, or are there other ways ? What causes a person to become a terrorist ?

Rule -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 5:09:41 AM)
I seem to recall that the USA has not declared war at any time during the past two hundred years? Them USA governments always say they are conducting a police action or something like that when they invade a country and massacre its citizens, not a war.

Dnomyar -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 5:17:16 AM)
The USA is full of terriosts. If you dont belive me go outside this friday night. I don't think the netherlands are capable of invading the 7-11.

rulemylife -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 5:30:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I seem to recall that the USA has not declared war at any time during the past two hundred years? Them USA governments always say they are conducting a police action or something like that when they invade a country and massacre its citizens, not a war. You recall incorrectly. If I remember, there was a little disturbance in Europe some years ago. You're probably right though, we should have stayed out of it since you folks were doing such a wonderful job on your own.

MadAxeman -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 5:40:29 AM)
We had to do it on our own.

sub4hire -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 6:13:48 AM)
It depends on where you look if you want to consider something a war. I personally served in the first Gulf War..I do believe we were told it was a war. Anyway if you look at va.gov who should and should not know what a war is. You find out we've been in many. Of course, yes I do know they call them conflicts. I also believe when the current war started many of us believed Georgie started it to finish what his father did not. We did not believe they were hiding Al Quida or anyone else. I was there...I saw the sanctions put on that country. I don't believe we really want Bin Laden. If we did we would have taken him out long ago. Just like we didn't want Saddam in 91. He would have been vaporized if we had. A terrorist...I really don't know other than hatred. I know we breed many of our own in this country. What would happen if say...a terrorist came to our soil to be tranined..and he/she fell in love with our country? Would they be reformed and no longer attack us or would they still do it out of loyalty? If you're Obama you believe there is another way of fighting terror. You go visit them in their fox holes and order up lattes for everyone. Reason with them on their hatred.

Rule -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 7:03:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You recall incorrectly. Okay? quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If I remember, there was a little disturbance in Europe some years ago. You're probably right though, we should have stayed out of it since you folks were doing such a wonderful job on your own. Are you referring to Yugoslavia?

rulemylife -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 7:16:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadAxeman We had to do it on our own. Seems we aren't talking about the same thing.

rulemylife -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 7:31:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You recall incorrectly. Okay? quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If I remember, there was a little disturbance in Europe some years ago. You're probably right though, we should have stayed out of it since you folks were doing such a wonderful job on your own. Are you referring to Yugoslavia? No, I was referring to that touch of unpleasantness that occurred when that frightful little fellow with the funny mustache begin to run amok about the countryside.

Dnomyar -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 7:39:44 AM)
He ended up hideing in a cellar. Ok bunker. Big difference.

DomKen -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 7:54:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I seem to recall that the USA has not declared war at any time during the past two hundred years? Them USA governments always say they are conducting a police action or something like that when they invade a country and massacre its citizens, not a war. US declarations of war in the last 200 years: June 18, 1812 against the Brtish Empire May 11, 1846 against Mexico April 24, 1898 against the Spain April 6, 1917 against Germany December 7, 1917 against the Austro-Hungarian Empire December 8, 1941 against Japan December 11, 1941 against Germany and Italy June 5, 1942 against Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania

MrRodgers -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 7:57:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I seem to recall that the USA has not declared war at any time during the past two hundred years? Them USA governments always say they are conducting a police action or something like that when they invade a country and massacre its citizens, not a war. The word war is now use as propaganda. You would be correct and for the REAL constitutional constructionist, but only our 'wars' since WWII have been...unconstitutional. The war on terrorism does NOT exist, Al-Qaida (a wholly CIA concocted term) does not exist as a worldwide network of terrorists but we got 3 years of unmitigated bullshit about it. It was only after Bush used the term to find a handy culprit for 9/11, that any Arabs picked up on it. Wars are used to create fear, rally a country around it 'leaders' and ultimately for profit. Viet Nam, and now Iraq was and is to be perpetual. Example: A very successful Bush fundraiser just as we invaded Iraq formed IOTC. The Internation Oil Trading Corp. Why we needed a new middle man to get oil to our forces and in a country rich with oil...is beyond me BUT... This co. has 'brokered' $210 million of oil to our own military and made $70 million in profits. Look at Haliburton, CACI, Carlyle Group among many others and you see what...profits, profits and more profits.

thetammyjo -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:16:07 AM)
I'd say the "war on terrorism" is much like the "war on drugs" or the "war on poverty". I think it's all political and rhetorical BS.

Rule -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:25:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife No, I was referring to that touch of unpleasantness that occurred when that frightful little fellow with the funny mustache begin to run amok about the countryside. Oh, the person that was financed by USA bankers, among whom the great-grandfather (I forgot how many g's) of the current president. I see. Well, thanks a bundle.

Rule -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:29:56 AM)
Good post, DK. You always supply the required facts. Well done. Hm, no declarations of war since 1942... So would it be accurate to say that though the USA did declare wars during the past two centuries, they never started a war, but always declared war in response to war? (Question not addressed to Dom Ken specifically.)

UncleNasty -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:30:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You recall incorrectly. Okay? quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If I remember, there was a little disturbance in Europe some years ago. You're probably right though, we should have stayed out of it since you folks were doing such a wonderful job on your own. Are you referring to Yugoslavia? No, I was referring to that touch of unpleasantness that occurred when that frightful little fellow with the funny mustache begin to run amok about the countryside. I love it. Proper use of the term "amok." amok, n. 1. a psychic disturbance characterized by depression followed by an overwhelming desire desire to murder. Uncle Nasty

rulemylife -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:34:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife No, I was referring to that touch of unpleasantness that occurred when that frightful little fellow with the funny mustache begin to run amok about the countryside. Oh, the person that was financed by USA bankers, among whom the great-grandfather (I forgot how many g's) of the current president. I see. Well, thanks a bundle. Financed by USA bankers? Care to provide some documentation of that?

kidwithknife -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:35:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You're probably right though, we should have stayed out of it since you folks were doing such a wonderful job on your own. Technically it was actually Russia that took the vast brunt of that war. Real life is complicated.

Rule -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:36:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thetammyjo I'd say the "war on terrorism" is much like the "war on drugs" or the "war on poverty". I think it's all political and rhetorical BS. [sm=agree.gif][sm=applause.gif]

rulemylife -> RE: Fact or useful fiction ? (10/28/2008 8:38:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife No, I was referring to that touch of unpleasantness that occurred when that frightful little fellow with the funny mustache begin to run amok about the countryside. quote: I love it. Proper use of the term "amok." amok, n. 1. a psychic disturbance characterized by depression followed by an overwhelming desire desire to murder. Uncle Nasty Well, I'm not sure if you are agreeing or being sarcastic, but the term is used as a noun, adjective, and adverb with the definition being basically the same.

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