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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 10/31/2008 10:12:15 PM   
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thank you Mistress!


now bend over and lift your skirt for a spanking...

opps,you already did....

ok,back to the thread about jo-plumber....

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 10/31/2008 10:19:41 PM   
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hehe!

well i think Joe's shaved head is sexy!  jmho!

but i do so believe with all my heart that Joe or any of us for that matter has the right to question any of those crooked politicians!  we can ask them anything, they should give us an answer and then not prosecute us for asking the damn question.  they want our vote, right? 

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 10/31/2008 11:15:37 PM   
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So Joe is being prosecuted.Really...prosecuted.
Is That So....in what court is Joe the Plumber being "prosecuted" and what crime are they prosecuting him for.

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 6:42:40 AM   
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Let's see, one of your first three links is LaRouche, one is a blog, another one is a blog... okay, your top three are worthless, and the rest seem to go downhill from there.

How about something far more solid, from the USA Today, instead.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-10-12-congress-meltdown_N.htm?csp=34


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but you gotta have a link to back up your claim.....cause i do not believe it!
Here's a whole bunch of them, take your pick.


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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 7:07:44 AM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/24/economics-creditcrunch-federal-reserve-greenspan



"I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organisations, specifically banks and others, were such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms," said Greenspan.

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 7:17:58 AM   
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All witnesses are republicans.

They blamed most of the trouble on banks doing credit default swaps.Which have nothing to do with Fanny/Freddy.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=281958-1&clipStart=&clipStop=

It`s all there.

Enjoy and sorry to burst your myth about the meltdown and your(republicans) need to blame someone else.

Neo-con deregulation did this. 

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Notice there is at least one reasonable republican(Davis) taking a critical look.

Also notice how  the republican( Mica)tries to weasel around and blame others for their maleficence,but can`t.

Notice how Sanity tows Mica`s line,almost word for word.

It`s an entertaining hearing,complete with drama and adult whining.




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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 7:28:26 AM   
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If you ignore all the facts that have been presented which prove otherwise, sure.

The Barney Frank / Chris Dodd / Freddie and Fannie debacle were nothing...

Uh-huh.

It was alllll Alan Greenspan's fault, and those wascawwy wepubwiccans.

Do you know of anyone who is actually buying that?







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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 7:28:49 AM   
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http://www.reuters.com/article/americasRegulatoryNews/idUSWAT01037820081023
Maybe Reuters is acceptable?
WASHINGTON, Oct 23 (Reuters) - Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan acknowledged he was "partially" wrong in his belief that some trading instruments, specifically credit default swaps, did not need regulation. Henry Waxman, the Democrat who chairs the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, cited a series of public statements by Greenspan saying the market could handle regulation of derivatives without government intervention. "My question is simple: Were you wrong?" Waxman said. Greenspan said he was "partially" wrong in the case of credit default swaps, complex trading instruments meant to act as insurance for bond buyers against default. "I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organizations, specifically banks and others, was such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and the equity," Greenspan said. When asked by Waxman if his ideology pushed him to make bad decisions, Greenspan said he found a "flaw" in his governing ideology that has led him to reexamine his thinking.
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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 7:35:08 AM   
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It's kind of refreshing the way Greenspan was willing to admit to his small part, but for the Left to seize on his honesty like this in an effort to try to pin the blame on him and on the Republicans for every wart and illness humankind has ever faced is just sick and wrong, and it can only be accomplished (like I said) by ignoring the rest of the facts.


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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 7:48:20 AM   
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This is why,in spite of every effort to avoid blame,most people blame republicans for this mess.

It`s really that simple.

Sorry.

Hey Sanity the hijacker....

Can we get back to the joe the phony thread?

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 8:23:21 AM   
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Down with progressive taxation - its wrong! Its just wrong that the wealthy be expected to pay more to make up for their  indolent and stupid less wealthy compatriots, which latter are thereby rewarded for their indolence and stupidity and lack of wealth.

Instead there should be a poll tax - a tax levied equally on all. This will avoid all these arguments and any accusation of anyone playing with the tax system to gain support from business or to garner votes. Equally, that each pays equally avoids any undue influence on the governance of the country too.

Because this system is utterly reasonable and no one is expected to pay more or less than anyone else, it should also be the case that anyone who fails to pay their fair share should be punished severely. Because it would be unreasonable for other taxpayers to provide funding for the incarceration of those who do not pay up, death must be the only logical punishment - certainly it would be unreasonable for non payers to expect their continued life to be covered by those who do pay.

That such a revision of taxation would certainly result in the execution for non payment of hundreds of millions, the unemployment problem, the poverty problem, the strain on health services and the problem of the enormous and growing wealth gap would also be solved. Such executions may however present another problem in that the pool of labour could be so reduced that essential tasks would be left undone - and yet the system is clear that equal payment is reasonable.

Therefore slavery should be reintroduced alongside this system such that essential workers may avoid execution by payment of their equal share in terms of labour, albeit of course that such a relief must necessarily be accompanied by the loss of those claims to citizenry and rights that more rightly belong to those who meet the requirement under this far fairer system. Organisations requiring labour could apply to purchase such workers for the sum of their outstanding tax contributions and pay their future contributions on an annual basis for as long as their labour was required.

This would undoubtedly restore the country to the prosperity it formerly enjoyed. In 1825.

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 8:40:53 AM   
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Yanno it would be nice if ONE day before this election of yours... a certain person with a habit of demanding proof of statements but providing none of his own, making sweeping statement to cover anyone not in HIS corner, regurgitating the political claptrap of the flimflam artists who've been  in power for 8 years now and generally thread jacking everything in off topic to try and force feed his narrowminded opinons down our throats.... would take a day off and let threads stay on topic

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 9:54:24 AM   
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Joe the Plumber wasn't and isn't against "progressive taxation" E, no one is arguing against "progressive taxation" - you're essentially mounting a straw man argument. What Joe argued to Obama, and what the argument is about, is Marxism. Taking from people accused of acquiring wealth in order to buy votes for Marxists aka "redistributing the wealth".

Fairly taxing people through progressive taxation in order to pay down the national debt or to fund green energy projects, or to repair roads and bridges, all of that would be fine.

No problem.

But that's not what Obama told Joe that he intends to do - he told Joe that he plans to use the power of the government to tax the "wealthy" in order to "spread the wealth around".

Progressive taxation implies that everyone shares in the burden, but that isn't what Obama was discussing with Joe at all.


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Down with progressive taxation - its wrong! Its just wrong that the wealthy be expected to pay more to make up for their  indolent and stupid less wealthy compatriots, which latter are thereby rewarded for their indolence and stupidity and lack of wealth.

Instead there should be a poll tax - a tax levied equally on all. This will avoid all these arguments and any accusation of anyone playing with the tax system to gain support from business or to garner votes. Equally, that each pays equally avoids any undue influence on the governance of the country too.

Because this system is utterly reasonable and no one is expected to pay more or less than anyone else, it should also be the case that anyone who fails to pay their fair share should be punished severely. Because it would be unreasonable for other taxpayers to provide funding for the incarceration of those who do not pay up, death must be the only logical punishment - certainly it would be unreasonable for non payers to expect their continued life to be covered by those who do pay.

That such a revision of taxation would certainly result in the execution for non payment of hundreds of millions, the unemployment problem, the poverty problem, the strain on health services and the problem of the enormous and growing wealth gap would also be solved. Such executions may however present another problem in that the pool of labour could be so reduced that essential tasks would be left undone - and yet the system is clear that equal payment is reasonable.

Therefore slavery should be reintroduced alongside this system such that essential workers may avoid execution by payment of their equal share in terms of labour, albeit of course that such a relief must necessarily be accompanied by the loss of those claims to citizenry and rights that more rightly belong to those who meet the requirement under this far fairer system. Organisations requiring labour could apply to purchase such workers for the sum of their outstanding tax contributions and pay their future contributions on an annual basis for as long as their labour was required.

This would undoubtedly restore the country to the prosperity it formerly enjoyed. In 1825.

E


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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 10:48:55 AM   
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Sanity I think you are right but sadly you are outnumbered by the poor who would benefit from these tax incentives.
 
Anyone else want wealth on toast?

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 11:50:08 AM   
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like Obama said when he spoke of sharing his peanut butter & jelly sandwich!  he shared it because he wanted too, not because the big bad teacher made him share it! 
so it is not too hard to see what Obama meant.  even the uneducated, stupid, unable to spell or write a complete sentence person like me can understand . 

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 12:02:26 PM   
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The problem is you aren’t really considering how much you'd need to be earning each year to be affected by it; are you one of the 5 or 95%?

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/1/2008 12:11:40 PM   
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i am for sure not one of the 5% or the 1%!  i am one of the majority, the middle class and just as Bill Clinton discovered, my lot is where the real money is at!


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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/2/2008 10:23:12 AM   
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It's kind of refreshing the way Greenspan was willing to admit to his small part, but for the Left to seize on his honesty like this in an effort to try to pin the blame on him and on the Republicans for every wart and illness humankind has ever faced is just sick and wrong



Your posts clearly indicate that you are the same.  The vitriol of your post are unceasing in their castigation of anything not firmly attached to the right wing neo con"party line"

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/2/2008 10:29:25 AM   
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Lady E:
The piercing clarity of your irony is always a pleasure to read.

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RE: Joe The Plumber Thread - 11/2/2008 11:51:57 AM   
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I love joe

He told Obama he wanted to buy a business he wasn't really buying, isn't for sale, couldn't afford and got the price wrong
He's not a licensed plumber
And owes some back taxes

he's the perfect role model...


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