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MasterFireMaam -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 8:34:09 PM)
Anything that looks like it might involve self development, making her a stronger person on the inside, would be of great value. If you're a better person, you're a better slave...or Master. Master Fire

AquaticSub -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 8:39:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKeeps Hypothetical question. You are sending your slave to a weekend slave training workshop. What subjects would you like her exposed to? The only training I can see Val sending me to without going as well doesn't require the teacher to know anything about BDSM. Cooking classes, sewing classes, and art classes and martial arts because they make me happy. Now, they may teach these things at a slave workshop but it wouldn't matter to us if the instructer was part of the "community" or not, as long as they were an effective teacher to me so that I learned the desired skill.

AquaticSub -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 8:40:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize And there is an easy answer to the fitted sheet folding problem. Only buy one set. Wash, dry, re-make the bed. Replace with new ones as needed.[:D] Woman after my own heart... [:D]

SailingBum -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 9:07:35 PM)
Show her how ot find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. BadOne

ladyacquiesce -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 9:31:44 PM)
Nice answer Naga :) ~ladyacquiesce~

UmbraDomina -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 9:54:32 PM)
I think the problem here would be my beloved slave is submissive to me, but not to everyone in the world...... if someone else tried to tell him the "right" way to do something they might get laughed at, by him. As for training..... I prefer the words teaching my preferences, I have handled that rather well over the last 8 years he has belonged to me. I could not picture anyone else being able to teach him what I want. If it were a simple skill..... such as cooking ( I am blessed as he is a former chef, so I have no losses there...lol) I would send him to a cooking school, I would highly doubt anyone could teach someone to cook during a weekend. He came to me as a functional human being, he has talents and skills, we have honed some, others are just basic ( he knows how to fold the sheets).

celticlord2112 -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 9:57:36 PM)
quote: Hypothetical question. You are sending your slave to a weekend slave training workshop. What subjects would you like her exposed to? None. She wouldn't be there because I wouldn't send her there. I show my slave what I want, and I tell her what I expect. I train my slave; no one else.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 10:28:12 PM)
Hell that'd be a useful class for people in general not just slaves. but it's only useful if the way they teach it to be done is the way a Master wants it done.. Other wise she'll learnt o do something he don't like and the class will have been a waste. The classes below or things I could never teach them in a hundred years, are the only "training" I'd send someone of mine off to, if I had a slave or sub. quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Our annual event here in Pittsburgh (WoodsStocks) had a workshop on folding laundry for slaves. Nice touch if you want your slave to learn how to fold those awful fitted sheets. I sure as heck can't teach her. Someone had an interest recently on becoming a geisha, and no one had a problem suggesting that she be sent off to a geisha school. Well, how about learning how to serve a proper tea service? Might be a nice skill for her to have, and no, I can't teach it to her. Believe me, I am the biggest detractor of "trainers" in general. Read anything I write on the topic and you'd know that. But training for a specific skill set can be valuable. John

YourhandMyAss -> RE: Submissive training (10/29/2008 10:40:31 PM)
That's just it. Instead of some pre written mandate about how to set tables, and getting a book on it, why can't someone teach her how HE wants it done, not how a book says it's done or how it's done in some dinning establishment. Unless of course he wants it done the way the book says. And then even so if that's how he as a MAster wants it done he knows how to say serve from the left make sure guests drinks are never empty and please pay attention to when I wish you to pick up the dishes. He knows how to spell out how he wants it done he doesn't need a book to tell her. Now, if it was shiatsu massage or high tea time protocals in new england, and you know nothing of high tea time protocals, yes get her a class on it. However the Master, knows what he likes best, and if it's like how to set a table, or how to prepair tea, and if you have a way you like it then no class is needed. You're mostly going to be capable of instructing your servant how YOU like it best, not a class. quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKeeps Well, that went well! People, you don’t necessarily have the skills to teach your slave to serve you. Formal service: I am not speaking precisely of protocol here, but basic food service (I.e., serve from the left, pick up from the right, anticipate the needs of a guest, keep water glasses full, know WHEN to pick up dishes). If you have worked as a waiter, by all means train her. There are books on the subject as well. Point here is that I am not talking about training someone to give better head or to take a harder spanking. Slaves serve, Some actually want to learn these basic skills before acquiring a collar (I’ve done training in both massage and formal dining). Cooking is next. Baking, YES! I was hoping that some here would be able to indeed address this as a hypothetical issue and provide constructive suggestions. You see, my own imagination is somewhat limited.

Padriag -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 12:25:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKeeps I was hoping that some here would be able to indeed address this as a hypothetical issue and provide constructive suggestions. You see, my own imagination is somewhat limited. You'll find that the imaginations of many in this lifestyle today are just as limited. There are several things working against your idea. Begin with the fact that such training is no longer widely appreciated. The current popular and common concepts of "slaves" doesn't require the kind of high protocol, formal service that would in turn require that sort of training. You'll find that many scoff at the idea because for no more than they require, they can't imagine why they would need someone else to teach their "slave" anything... and for no more than most require, they're being honest. Bluntly put, most "slaves" are someone's girlfriend whom they've "collared", agreed on some basic form of power exchange, and of whom only basic obedience and sexual service is required. The height of their expectations of such slaves doesn't extend much beyond getting their "owner" a cold beer and a blow job on demand, which doesn't require much in the way of training. So no, most won't see any need for any sort of formal training. Cooking, to them, means knowing how to use a microwave. House management means knowing how to wash blue jeans and t-shirts, occasionally turn on a vaccum cleaner, and load dishes into a dishwasher. Etiquette... its an archaic word no longer in vogue... it infringes too much on their "individuality". Gives all new meaning to "lowered expectations." The kind of training you suggest is appreciated by a minority of individuals with much higher expectations. Keep that in mind in reviewing any responses you get. You will also want to keep in mind that while the "average" dom out there may not imagine a need for someone else to teach their "slave" to cook, clean, manage a house, or various sexual arts... those who do appreciate such things tend to have very high expectations. If you intend to set up some sort of training camp or school, for it to be a success it had better have very high standards. Otherwise you'll simply fall into a middle ground between the two, only to discover that there isn't much of one... this is a fairly polarized issue. So my question to you would be, have you considered how you're going to set up such a training camp with appropriately highly skilled instructors, trainers, etc.?

DesFIP -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 5:25:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKeeps Well, that went well! People, you don’t necessarily have the skills to teach your slave to serve you. Cooking for instance: You would love a great meal every night, and your slave cannot boil water…. Either can you. ow, you can support McDonalds or get help and change your environment. Even have a GOOD massage after a hard day out? Have you ever had a professional massage, something beyond a backrub? It is a skill, guys. The skill can take several hundred hours of practice to master. If you would like your slave to give you a great massage at the end of the day, fork out the thousand dollars and send her to massage school. I thought of shaving today. The submissives I know are terrified of trying to shave a Dom. I suppose this is something you could do yourself. Have you? Got a straightedge? LOL Formal service: I am not speaking precisely of protocol here, but basic food service (I.e., serve from the left, pick up from the right, anticipate the needs of a guest, keep water glasses full, know WHEN to pick up dishes). If you have worked as a waiter, by all means train her. There are books on the subject as well. Point here is that I am not talking about training someone to give better head or to take a harder spanking. Slaves serve, Some actually want to learn these basic skills before acquiring a collar (I’ve done training in both massage and formal dining). Cooking is next. Baking, YES! I was hoping that some here would be able to indeed address this as a hypothetical issue and provide constructive suggestions. You see, my own imagination is somewhat limited. None of the things you listed are best taught in a weekend slave workshop. Massage therapy can't be learned in a weekend devoted to slaves, it requires a massage therapy school. Cooking and baking require a professional kitchen to teach, and professional instructors. Everything you listed is better done out of a bdsm context with professionals in the field doing the teaching in an environment that maximizes learning the skill. Cooking classes require a kitchen with several stations plus the ability for everyone to first stand and watch with clear lines of sight. Massage therapy requires many massage tables. No weekend slave training venue will be able to have all those things.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 5:37:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKeeps Point here is that I am not talking about training someone to give better head or to take a harder spanking. Slaves serve, Some actually want to learn these basic skills before acquiring a collar (I’ve done training in both massage and formal dining). Cooking is next. Baking, YES! Some slaves do need help aquiring these skills, but a weekend is not nearly enough time to do so in. Not lasting skills. You cannot teach someone to be a good cook, a masseur, or even to shave someone safely in a weekend. Anything I cannot teach Fox myself that I wish him to learn, I will either seek out a friend that can, or I will send him for training. However, in order to get someone trained right, you need to devote a good amount of time to the teaching before the practicing. Nothing benefits by practicing the skill incorrectly. I have taught Fox how to do dishes, how to take photos, how to give a massage (a real one, more than a backrub as you put it) and we are working on how to cook. Judging by how long it has taken me to impart these skills upon him, unless your slave weekend was very very basic and didnt actualy cover any useful skillset, I cant see how it could be anyting more than depriving me of my slave for 2 days. Teach him the best way to remove stains? Folding laundry as somone mentioned above? How to correctly dust so it isnt everywhere... sure thats all weekend things. So, it would be housewife 101. I could see that, maybe, if I couldnt teach him that myself. But anything broader and it would just be setting up for more extensive training needs. My 2 cents DV

akisha -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 10:55:19 AM)
Master and I do all workshops together if it's regarding bdsm stuff. Whether it's at a big event like the one we're going to in February or if it's private stuff done by freinds to help us learn. As for learning normal life skills..... well really neither of us have shown an interested in doing that. The only schooling He has suggested is for me to finish my Bachelors degree and well i really can't do that in a weekend (too bad hehe)

leadership527 -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 10:59:59 AM)
quote: Des said: None of the things you listed are best taught in a weekend slave workshop. Yeah, I think that's my biggest trouble. All of the things that I could see as being truly useful wouldn't work out well in such a short format. In addition, the vast majority of them are already readily available elsewhere. For instance, why would I send carol to a "slave training school" to learn how to give a massage when there are already a wide variety of excellent ways to learn such a thing? Even the very few topics that I could see as having real interest that are specific to D/s would be better served in a much longer format.

MasterTslave -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 11:23:48 AM)
i need cooking training!

DesFIP -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 5:21:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterTslave i need cooking training! You're 31 years old and you can't boil water? Your local community college will offer noncredit cooking courses in various subjects. If you need something more general then go to a bookstore and buy several all purpose cookbooks. I prefer Fannie Farmer, Boston Cooking School to Joy of Cooking myself. Joy requires a little more knowledge, Fannie Farmer explains nearly everything. Read through the intro and the intro to every chapter first. Then start looking for the simpler recipes, the ones that you think you can follow. Expect mistakes. There are also cookbooks designed for kids and college aged types in their first apartments, they'll get you started. Don't get upset when things go wrong. Just throw it out and try again next week. And buy a fire extinguisher, just in case.

Padriag -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 5:32:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire Some slaves do need help aquiring these skills, but a weekend is not nearly enough time to do so in. Not lasting skills. You cannot teach someone to be a good cook, a masseur, or even to shave someone safely in a weekend. Absolutely not enough time. For example, I located a school which offers formal training in household management... i.e. for formal butlers, maids, etc. Their curriculum takes eight weeks to complete for their butler course, and to add various other skill packages such as cleaning, cooking, etc... could add up to another 11 weeks. These programs are intended to instill basic skills necessary for these jobs. Here's an example of the curriculum for a Administrative Household Manager/Butler and Personal Assistant Personal Dynamics The long hours and hard work of an Administrative Household Manager or Personal Assistant can be stressful. This valuable section provides many tools and pointers for keeping one’s personal life on an even keel. Family and Home Safety & Security The world of the wealthy requires you to be more mindful of security issues. In this advanced course, you will learn about the many aspects of keeping your employer (and yourself) safe and secure, including preventing identity theft, combating the threat of bio-terrorism, safe rooms, high-tech security systems, and more. Social Correspondence & Communication Skills Correspondence for the wealthy can be quite different from the average person’s correspondence. They often use high-quality stationery, send formal invitations, employ calligraphers, and so on. As an AHM or PA, you will also need to write thank-you notes and business letters and will likely be answering e-mail, faxes, and phone calls. Learn all this plus telephone etiquette, placing international calls, and more. Manners, Etiquette & Protocol We will go beyond the basics of etiquette taught in the PHM program to provide information about attitude, employer-employee interactions, and official protocol, including precedence and receiving lines. Special Family Affairs, Issues & Concerns This section provides information on issues rarely discussed, such as family dynamics, employee/employer gift-giving, ethnicity, celebrations, and more. Cameras, Photography & Documents As a Household Manager, you may be asked to take photographs of the family or to care for old albums. In this section, you will learn about finding a good camera, the basics of taking great photographs, selecting and caring for photo albums and scrapbooks, caring for old photos, and more. Managing a 21st Century Home: This course gets into the particulars of high-level household management! It includes how to manage records, conduct financial tasks, purchase personal and major items, legal issues, arranging travel, and more. Course specifics include the following: Setting Up a Household Do you know how to recognize what your employer needs in additional household staffing? How much space does a live-in employee require? What other accommodations will staff need? How do you determine the number of staff needed, their responsibilities, and their salaries and benefits? When is cross-training beneficial? All this and more is addressed in this section. Successful Management Techniques Management of household staff is far different from management of corporate staff. Learn what abilities/qualities to look for in the ideal household employee, how to interview, hire, manage, and terminate household staff, and how to write a letter of reference (for both good and bad employees!). Here we also share real-life situations with you for discussion. Household Employee Book This will be one of the most necessary tools in your arsenal for managing your staff. Learn how to establish one and what it should contain Setting Up a Home Office What kind of equipment does an AHM or PA need for his/her office? How can such an office be set up ergonomically and arranged for maximum efficiency? Maintaining Household Files Filing in a wealthy household is more complex than it first appears. Learn how to maintain files for ease of access for others who use them; learn also what files should be made in duplication. Check Writing, Payables & Financial Records Finances for the wealthy household can also be more complex than you are accustomed to. Learn how to keep accurate records that are above reproach. Purchasing for a Wealthy Household Can you imagine paying $2,400 or more for a set of bed linens? How about floral arrangements at over $250 a piece? Or, a villa rented for thousands of dollars per night? Are you accustomed to purchasing toiletries and cleaning supplies in bulk? Learn how to shop for wealthy individuals and families, with quality in mind. Contracts & Negotiations As a Household Manager or Personal Assistant, you will find it necessary to sign and, perhaps, negotiate contracts with many individuals. This could range from your employer (for a raise, for example) to a contractor who is building an addition to your employer’s home. Learn what a good contract should contain, how to ease the path of negotiations, dos and don’ts of negotiating, and more. Inventory Your employer’s home will likely contain millions of dollars’ worth of possessions that must be protected in case of fire, flood, burglary, and so on. Careful inventory is key to ensuring these items’ protection. Learn the principles of good household inventory and where to logically start. Legal Issues Whether you are hiring new employees, working with contractors and companies, or assisting an attorney on your employer’s behalf, you will need to be aware of a wide range of legal issues. Insurance In order to protect your employer’s property you need to be aware of and understand different insurance options and terminology. Managing Multiple Homes How do you provide continuity between your employer’s primary home in San Francisco, the beach home in Florida, and the villa in the south of France? This section will help you provide this vital service and explains the importance of careful, accurate, and synchronized record keeping. While I realize that probably 99% of those reading this would have little use for many of those skills, that isn't the point. The point is that variations on such a program could be useful for service oriented submissives. And while a dominant could do as I have and seek out such training academies to provide such training, it could be useful to have one with a "kink aware / kink oriented" program. Food for thought.

BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 6:41:20 PM)
Maybe it's just me, but honestly, each time one of these types of threads pops up, I get the creepy feeling that the person with the notion of starting a school for slaves, just wants to be able to get their hands on [8\|] someone elses property, most likely because they don't have one of their own. "Here little girl, let me teach you how to suck your master's cock, juuuuuust right." [sm=yeahright.gif]

Padriag -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 6:47:53 PM)
Could be... hell, given my proclivity for writing manuals maybe I ought to start one of these slave training schools as a way of collecting my own lil harem! LOL Thing is, if someone really wants to start some sort of kink oriented academy teaching practical service skills... that's fine, terrific! They just need to be prepared for the reality of how much of an investment its going to take. Just by way of example... the course outline I copied into my post above... eight weeks and tuition is $3,900. You wanna train service submissives... how serious are ya?

BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Submissive training (10/30/2008 7:14:39 PM)
My apologies Padriag as I did a FR. My response was to the OP's posts both here and in the sub/slave forum....... and the other types of threads such as this one. They all seem to be based on some sort of Story of O type of fantasy.

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