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What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 9:59:46 AM   
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Before I met Sir just over a year ago now, I had the opportunity to spend a couple of years as a single submissive, open to dating. Having spent my entire adult life in committed relationships it was a welcome change. It was also very enlightening. I had not considered what was happening out there on the “singles scene” in a very long time. I was pretty amazed and unbelievably frustrated by what I encountered there. I really hadn’t been single in about 25 years and it seemed so much had changed. I felt kind of like Rip Van Winkle and it seemed that while I had been “asleep” this strange new “instant” world had happened. I was way behind the times and didn’t understand the concepts of “instant” gratification, “instant” submission, “instant” relationships and commitments, “instant” collars. 

Well, I just wasn’t in that much of a hurry. I didn’t really have much need or use in my life for “instant”. Besides, being the old broad that I am I had some archaic clichés that I had learned to apply to my life…and old habits die hard, especially old habits that had served me well. Things like “only fools rush in” and “haste makes waste”.  So I basically did what I’ve always done…I took my time. I knew that if I waited long enough that an old dinosaur like myself would come along….one who had no more use for “instant” than I. I was enjoying being by myself, learning about myself…so I didn’t feel rushed. Sure enough, right about the moment that I started to feel like maybe I’d been wrong…maybe no one really would happen along…he showed up out of the blue…and made the wait worthwhile. 

While I was waiting though, I had the opportunity to take a good, long look at the menu. I had lots of opportunity to sample what was available. I chatted, emailed, spoke to and dated a variety of men who had affixed themselves with the “Dominant” label. Sadly, the vast majority of them fell far short of living up to such a title. So today I wanted to offer some food for thought. I would like for those who are single dominants to read my words and see them as an opportunity to really take a look at themselves and do an inventory. It is my most sincere hope that they do not read my words and see them as a personal attack. So, with that said I’d like to offer up some suggestions on putting your best foot forward and projecting the image that you want us to see…..and not the one that we often do see.

What is it about you that says “I am a dominant man”? Is it that you can maneuver your way around all of the cool bdsm personals sites? Is it that you can “talk the talk”? You can make some intelligent posts on a forum….or hold a good conversation? Is it the size of your toy box or how varied your collection is? Your skill level at wielding those toys? Is it how active you are in your community? The number of munches or parties you attend? The number of play partners or subs you’ve had? 

Well, I guess that some of those things are plusses….but they are certainly not what defines a man as dominant to me. If someone is looking for a play partner the only qualifications you may need are “have toys, will travel”. However, if it is a committed relationship or life partner that you are searching for I doubt that in itself will cut it.

What amazed me most was the countless number of men who professed to be dominant…but in reality weren’t even in the ballpark. I honestly don’t think that many of them knew it themselves though. I think that they had this picture in their heads of what a dominant is…and it revolved around ball gags and floggers or worse….ordering women around. Heck, I don’t think some of them even LIKED women much and just really wanted a readily available orifice that would also cook and clean and not protest. Some judged their dominance by how well they could control another…not by who they actually were. Most weren’t dominant at all, merely trying to cram themselves into a role that just didn’t fit.

The mistake that I saw them making most frequently was that they had little understanding of what makes a dominant man…..and even less understanding of themselves. It is not about floggers and spankings. It is not about how well or how loud you can bark orders. It is not about your ability to think up predicaments or protocols. It’s not even about being able to keep another human being in a position of subservience. All of those things are pretty meaningless…..unless they are in the possession of a dominant man to begin with.

So, what does make a dominant man? A dominant man is a man of character…a man of integrity. A dominant man is a man who stands strong on morals and principles...his own.  A man who doesn’t compromise himself…and yet understands the importance of compromise and flexibility…and he understands the difference between the two. He is not a flawless deity worthy of some pedestal. He has faults and makes mistakes. He understands his faults….accepts what he must and changes what he can. He takes the lessons found in his mistakes and applies them to his future. Dominance is the entire picture…the picture of who he is…and how he lives his life.

Does he have to be rich? No, certainly not. But he does have to be capable of an income at least great enough to support his own needs. We live in rough times today and I believe that it would be foolish for anyone to expect that their wealth is secure. Things happen that we don’t expect. Injuries, illness, unemployment, financial loss…they can happen to anyone. We can not judge by the immediate situation we find ourselves in. However, when you look at the entire financial picture of the dominant man, you should find overall stability. A crisis does not define, it is how crisis is dealt with that does. So if you are broke because of the stock market crash and you are calculating your next plan of action on how to turn it around you should not feel as though such a circumstance detracts from your dominance. If, on the other hand, you are broke because you are chronically unemployed and don’t have the sense or motivation to get your butt off the couch or pull yourself away from Worlds of Warcraft and make it happen…..well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that is not an indicator of dominance. If your current bad situation is everyone’s fault but yours…how do you expect to dominate another if you can’t even dominate yourself?

Does he have to be stylish? Only wearing the latest fashions? The most expensive suits? No. But his clothes do have to be in decent shape….and they have to be CLEAN. He should be capable of dressing in a manner appropriate to the situation. A greasy old t-shirt and holy jeans are fine….if you are working on your car or bike. They are not fine to go to dinner in unless it’s the drive through at Mickey D’s….and hopefully you are not taking your date there. It really was shocking to me that a man would ask me on a date….I would spend time getting my make up and hair right, my clothes right….and my date would show up looking like he just crawled out from under a Ford truck.

And while we are on the subject of clean….take a shower guys. THAT DAY. WITH SOAP!!! Whether it be a date, a munch, an event or a play party. Even if the date you have planned is riding a horse or hiking in the woods. I can not believe how many men don’t understand the importance of this. There is absolutely no reason that I can think of that should stop you from taking a shower EVERY DAY. Not doing so is disgusting. If you can’t manage to do that I can tell you that women do NOT want you to kiss them, they do NOT want you to touch them, they do NOT want you to play with them, they really DON’T want you to have sex with them, they do NOT want to be in the same room with you…let alone the same car. I don’t care how much cologne you drown yourself in….it doesn’t replace good hygiene. Don’t forget your teeth either….PLEASE. Seriously guys….poor hygiene makes a terrible impression on a woman. Maybe you don’t notice it…but trust me, she DOES.

Another area that guys should really try to pay attention to is manners. Just simple manners. I had a guy take me on a date once who might have been a wonderful man. I couldn’t tell you for sure because I was sooooo turned off by his table manners that I just literally shut down. Rugged is a good quality in a man….Neanderthal isn’t.

A lot of these things are not the “usual” thing that get brought up when we are talking about dominant men on a BDSM site. They aren’t indicators of how well they will be able to take control of or dominate another. But in my opinion, they are indicators of how well they can take control of and dominate themselves. If they can not first do that then I don’t understand why they would even have the audacity to put themselves on the market under the label of dominant and expect someone to defer any measure of control into their hands. If you want to be taken seriously…..you should seriously take a good hard look at the image you are presenting.
I really could go on but my purpose in writing this is to get folks to take a look at themselves. As I said….no one needs to be perfect. But I do believe that there are some things that are implied and assumed when you attach that “dominant” label to yourself. Being in control of yourself and your life should certainly be the starting point. Beyond these basics one should start to look at things like emotional control, honesty, how they deal with crisis, communication. ALL of those things should be given priority at a higher level than how kinky you are, how horny you are, how many toys you have or how well you can use them. Just saying…..

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 10:08:12 AM   
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*nods* Showers is good.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 10:09:45 AM   
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OK, so to recap. To you, a dominant man has the following characteristics...

  • A man of character and integrity (as defined by you since those two concepts are highly elastic)
  • He is a man of principles
  • He is strong enough to compromise without compromising himself
  • He is reasonably clear about himself as a human, both positive and negative
  • He is self-supporting.
  • He has to be reasonably presentable visually as defined by you
  • He has good manners as defined by you


You know, honestly, if I needed a new partner, those are pretty much exactly the traits I would look for... dominant, submissive, whatever. They are all great traits and, collectively do a great job at defining a truly exceptional human being (at least, exceptional to the person doing the judging). But honestly, dominance is none of those things. That's how to be a GOOD dominant (for you). It's also possible to be a crappy dominant. When I was at work talking about leadership, I would always here similar arguments. My response was simple. There are only two things required to be a leader...

a) You need to have somewhere to go. You cannot "lead" someone if you yourself are standing still.
b) You need to be able to get other people to follow you.

The bottom line is if someone is walking around in a field and at least one other person is following behind them, then the first person is a leader (at least, within that context). All else is style and quality.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 11:12:24 AM   
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I am also a fan of the shower.  If you aren't sure if you are clean enough, take a shower, it can't hurt.

The main thing I ask is that a dominant be reality-based.  Please have a clue and understand that I have two jobs and a busy life, busier than most.  If you can't adjust or don't think you can deal with it, then let's just stop because I'm not going to rearrange my life in order to have a date or get laid.  If we are talking about building a relationship and we click, then yes, I will go out of my way to make myself available to you.  Also, please give me some time to know you as a person before we parade out our likes/dislikes kink list. I am far more interested in you as a man than you as a dominant.    And although it shouldn't need to be said, be honest, please, about your life, your situation, why you are here. etc

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 11:22:53 AM   
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Good thing you don't live in Florida. A typical guy's idea of dressing up is turning his baseball cap from backwards on his head so that the bill is to the front.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 11:51:00 AM   
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While I enjoy this list and it contains a great many things I look for in anyone I associate with, I don't know that it defines dominance to me.
I can hate a person, and still recognize them as dominant. A, someone who leads, B, someone who controls, and C, preferably does both of those with competence.

However in the spirit of the OP, I think the goal was examples of 'putting the best foot forward' when presenting oneself. These are all examples of great characteristics to show when trying to woo/steal/seduce/badger a sub into your paddock.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 12:02:41 PM   
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Just to clarify.....

I was not meaning to imply that taking a shower is a dominant act. Or that any of these things are by themselves evidence of dominance. I certainly wasn't meaning to imply that these characteristics would not be favorable in person's of any orientation.

What I am saying is that the LACK of some of these traits or actions does imply a lack of ability to control oneself or a lack of self respect. The lack of those things to me would in turn cancel out a claim of "dominant".

Instead of putting their best foot forward they are shooting themselves in the foot.

< Message edited by mistoferin -- 10/30/2008 12:03:18 PM >


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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 12:28:34 PM   
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Enjoyed your post very much. 

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 12:36:32 PM   
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What is it about you that says “I am a dominant man”?

Usually it's my mouth. On these forums it's my fingers.

Actually, I rarely refer to myself as a "dominant man". I'm a man because that is how I was born, and I am master of my house because that is what I desire. Anything after that is trivial and basically irrelevant.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 1:09:51 PM   
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One thing to add to the "Etiquette" section: if two people are on a date, don't stop to answer text message or phone calls. PARTICULARLY at the dinner table. If it is an extremely important call that simply can't wait, excuse yourself and handle it as quickly as possible. This is directed at both men AND women.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 1:17:13 PM   
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erin...
im there now...and i see a lot of what you are saying out there...its refreshing to meet someone who i feel is fundamentally dominant, and i tend to create ways to spend time with that sort. i was very fortunate to find several men with a dominant core (my term) and befriend them to differing degrees. Also, my best friend, who's opinion and taste i respect, has chosen well....so in my lil corner of the world the bar has been set pretty high. Some of my submissive friends are not so lucky and are experiencing difficulties with their choices and seem to not hear me when i list off the hotbutton topics/issues that i find from the outside. im hoping that i can maintain some semblance of patience with the girls thru their immanent trials and tribulations that are sure to follow the course of their relationships.

Financial and emotional stability, a sense of integrity and honor in daily life, follow through, dependability, responsibility...these are things that make me more hot than a good conversation or even a really good session. i look for someone i can get behind...someone who i consider to be handling life better than i, who i can stand shoulder to shoulder with, defer to, depend on (not financially)...someone i can respect.

i have a prime example of what im looking for in "my dominant" in one of my partners. He has been out of work in his field for very nearly a year, has a large poly family and a house with room for all of them, bills and responsibilities...and has literally supported them all throughout this long difficult time...to a certain extent, some members of the family didnt even feel the shudder of their foundation...this was due to fiscal responsibility, dedication to working through a difficult situation, and his ability to take what came his way with intestinal fortitude and an intensly sexy quiet strength. He recently got a job worthy of his skill level and has basically saved the day...and i am so very very proud of him. It was difficult to watch, helplessly when he would become quiet and i would look up and see this haunted look in his eye as he thought about things and question his future. And i know first hand what it feels like to look at your dependents and wonder if you were worthy of their dependence and if you have what it takes to be depended upon. Hes no saint. He reminds me daily of Jackie Gleason with a big assed flogger...but ive always had a thing for Gleason. He shows in his daily actions that he is someone to follow, someone to defer to, someone to be counted upon...and in this, he creates feelings of wanting to put your shoulder in with him and help him push. So, yes, he saved the day. But it could have easily gone the other way, and he has a deep appreciation for that real possibility. He was willing to do whatever it took to keep his family safe and as unscathed as possible...and will do so again if the future holds that for him with strength and dignity and quiet grace.
That is a man. That is a Dominant. To this girl.

All the other points you make are valid too, and i agree that everyone out there needs to be cognizant of the foot they are putting forward and how that stance is being perceived by the ones lookiing their way. It only serves their greater good in that they will attract a good partner.

Thank you for your post and i appreciate your stance on just about every post ive seen. i count your views among the more centered ones here and elsewhere, and i appreciate the sentiment behind this one.

persephonee.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 2:46:27 PM   
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I do try to put my best foot forward.  There can be a fine line between all those things you consciously do to impress a submissive and doing all those things that you just do naturally.  For example, I've talked about manners on the boards before.  I like to hold doors for ladies, I like to hold a chair out for a lady to sit, I like to walk down a street on the outside.  I tend to treat people the way I like to be treated.  But sometimes, what is natural is considered overboard by some...mist, you and others seem to appreciate manners but I've had a couple of submissives tell me they thought I was too "old-fashioned" and that the dominant should be more "non-gentlemanly".  As you can imagine, that didn't work for me.
Taking a shower.  I don't do it every day.  I have extremely dry skin and was told by the dermatologist NOT to take a shower every day...I was scrubbing off oils that my body needed.  I WAS told to sponge bathe myself every day (like we all did in the service) and use lotion...I like Huskers...and shower/bathe every 2 - 3 days unless I was working really hard each day. 
In control financially.  I've always been in control...that is how I was able to pay child support AND the tax debt that I got to pay off after the divorce.  But I would be lying if I was to say that there have not been some lean years.  This year, when I got the bike, was the first time I've rewarded myself and you would not believe the mental hoops and worries I put myself through to figure out if I should not be putting that payment elsewhere.  But I've patiently worked on paying off the taxes, paying the child support, paying what needed to be paid.  When I could no longer afford staff, I took their work on my shoulders along with the "doctor" work.  ~shrugs~...in another year or a bit more, my money will be all mine again. 
Style.  ~sardonic grin~...I wear dress shirts and slacks and ties or sweaters and dress slacks.  I also wear blue jeans, black jeans, hot rod T-shirts and I have a couple of mean painting outfits.  I do know when and where to wear them but I admit that my style may clash with what you think is in style.  I am 53 and tend to skew towards clothes for 45-55 year old men.

I stand on my principals but the tricky part is knowing when to stand on your principals and not compromise OR stand on your principals while still compromising.  For example...I don't like to let things sit.  I've been told that sometimes I was too intense in that I don't like to give a lot of "space" (that is a term that is not real popular with me, given how some see it) when a problem is going on.  I like to check in on the dynamic...as mentioned by several other dominants, including myself, on another thread today.  I can go 2 or 3 or 4 days but that is about my extent of it.  And anybody dealing with me knows that.  I've also been told though...by submissives I was trying to get to know and submissives I was involved with...that they needed space or time and that how I handled that was up to me but it would tell them something about me.  Hmmmm...now in some ways, I kind of see that as being analogous to the "does this dress make me look fat" question.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 3:34:05 PM   
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Many folks, in all lifestyles, see themselves in the most positive way possible.  And I don't have any issue with that... it's their opinion of themselves, not mine.
 
Personally, I try to be myself... whatever that is.  In the immortal words of Popeye... "I yam what I yam."  I have no desire to live up to someone else's expectations of me, unless they expect me to live up to my own expectations for myself (ie: it's fair to expect me to walk the walk).  But no matter how I see myself, and no matter what label I apply to myself, people are going to come to their own conclusions.  And that's how it should be.
 
The folks erin has met were being themselves.  Evidently, they didn't put on any airs, or make much of an effort to appear to be something they were not.  And for that I give them credit.  Worse that they should make some concerted effort to appear to be what you're looking for, only to give up the charade after you've made some commitment to them.
 
Each of us finds lots of folks unappealing.  But someone else is looking for exactly them.  One man's trash is another man's treasure.
 
Remember, with few exceptions, the great guy or girl, Dominant or submissive, you're with today was dumped by someone (maybe quite a few someones) as being unacceptable (maybe even a loser).
 
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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 4:22:38 PM   
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And while we are on the subject of clean….take a shower guys. THAT DAY. WITH SOAP!!! Whether it be a date, a munch, an event or a play party. Even if the date you have planned is riding a horse or hiking in the woods. I can not believe how many men don’t understand the importance of this. There is absolutely no reason that I can think of that should stop you from taking a shower EVERY DAY. Not doing so is disgusting. If you can’t manage to do that I can tell you that women do NOT want you to kiss them, they do NOT want you to touch them, they do NOT want you to play with them, they really DON’T want you to have sex with them, they do NOT want to be in the same room with you…let alone the same car. I don’t care how much cologne you drown yourself in….it doesn’t replace good hygiene. Don’t forget your teeth either….PLEASE. Seriously guys….poor hygiene makes a terrible impression on a woman. Maybe you don’t notice it…but trust me, she DOES.


Maybe I just have a fetish for showering, that others don't share, but nothing turns me off more than a dirty, stinky person.  About a year ago my Sir and I attended a kinky convention type thing, and I was so very surprised at the amount of dirty people.  In one class, the room had become very warm, and the smell of body odor was so pungent that I became nauseous. It wasn't just one person either. It was multiple people.  I also met a very nice woman who hair was greasy, and smelled a bit like fried food. 

It was the first big kinky thing I'd ever done, and maybe I'd gone in with a few too many Laura Antinou-esque fantasies, but only maybe 15-20% of the people attending seemed to put any care into their appearance.  Some of these people were single too! 

Now I'm feeling yucky.  I need a shower.  Oh wait. The new Guitar Hero commercial with Michael Phelps and Coby Bryant came on.  I'm better now.  And I showered this morning so no need to go OCD on it.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 4:42:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rover
The folks erin has met were being themselves.  Evidently, they didn't put on any airs, or make much of an effort to appear to be something they were not.  And for that I give them credit.  Worse that they should make some concerted effort to appear to be what you're looking for, only to give up the charade after you've made some commitment to them.


I agree that it would be far worse to make an effort to be something you're not. I am a fan of being myself and I like that quality in others too. However, in the single dating world that is often not what I found. Like the 40 something "engineer" I went out with whose profile said that he "was financially sound". Funny that he failed to mention until somewhere around the 6th or 7th date that he had been "laid off".

Me..."Oh gosh, that's awful....when did that happen?". Him...."About 5 years ago."
Me..." 5 years ago....well surely you must have worked since then???"
Him...."Well no, I haven't found a job that is willing to pay me what I was making".
Me...."Wow, how do you survive?"
Him...."Well I'm kind of ashamed to admit this but....my Mom helps me out".

When I spoke of those various "defects"....it was because I actually met men that had them. When I spoke of hygiene....it was because one gentleman who I met over coffee had very obviously not showered...not in a day or two....but I would guess it had likely been weeks....maybe months. His clothing stunk of cat urine and you could literally smell him 6 feet before you got to him. The picture of himself that he had sent me was of him dressed in a suit at a wedding....and looking quite sparkling clean.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 4:52:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Many folks, in all lifestyles, see themselves in the most positive way possible.  And I don't have any issue with that... it's their opinion of themselves, not mine.
 
Personally, I try to be myself... whatever that is.  In the immortal words of Popeye... "I yam what I yam."  I have no desire to live up to someone else's expectations of me, unless they expect me to live up to my own expectations for myself (ie: it's fair to expect me to walk the walk).  But no matter how I see myself, and no matter what label I apply to myself, people are going to come to their own conclusions.  And that's how it should be.
 
The folks erin has met were being themselves.  Evidently, they didn't put on any airs, or make much of an effort to appear to be something they were not.  And for that I give them credit.  Worse that they should make some concerted effort to appear to be what you're looking for, only to give up the charade after you've made some commitment to them.
 
Each of us finds lots of folks unappealing.  But someone else is looking for exactly them.  One man's trash is another man's treasure.
 
Remember, with few exceptions, the great guy or girl, Dominant or submissive, you're with today was dumped by someone (maybe quite a few someones) as being unacceptable (maybe even a loser).
 
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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 4:54:43 PM   
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Some men were never taught table manners or how to dress appropriately. But I'm not interested in a diamond in the rough either.

Laughing about the teeth brushing. We just returned from the paintball cup in Orlando, a 20 hour drive. Both ways as it drew time to find a motel for the night I professed a desperate desire to brush my teeth. Neither The Man nor my teen son understood the longing I had. The teen brushes when I remind him. The Man always does but they were content to drive another hour or two while I needed to brush my teeth right that minute. As far as I can tell, this is one of those things that is specific to the gender.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 4:57:16 PM   
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Furry teeth are very uncomfortable :-(

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 5:18:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Rover
The folks erin has met were being themselves.  Evidently, they didn't put on any airs, or make much of an effort to appear to be something they were not.  And for that I give them credit.  Worse that they should make some concerted effort to appear to be what you're looking for, only to give up the charade after you've made some commitment to them.


I agree that it would be far worse to make an effort to be something you're not. I am a fan of being myself and I like that quality in others too. However, in the single dating world that is often not what I found. Like the 40 something "engineer" I went out with whose profile said that he "was financially sound". Funny that he failed to mention until somewhere around the 6th or 7th date that he had been "laid off".

Me..."Oh gosh, that's awful....when did that happen?". Him...."About 5 years ago."
Me..." 5 years ago....well surely you must have worked since then???"
Him...."Well no, I haven't found a job that is willing to pay me what I was making".
Me...."Wow, how do you survive?"
Him...."Well I'm kind of ashamed to admit this but....my Mom helps me out".


Thats what im referring to...when i was growing up, my father was a teacher and quit for several years to do other things. When he tried to go back to teaching there were no openings and he was unemployed for a while...not sure how long...and this is why im not sure...

He started getting up at 4 am and leaving the house without explaination. He would return in the late afternoon and he was freshly showered. My mother was beside herself. They would argue. Finally, a time later...he brought her one of his pay stubs...he had been working at the local meat packing plant, shoving full grown hogs down a conveyer belt and was showering at a fellow teachers house before coming home so that he wouldnt come in covered in sweat and blood. He had a Masters Degree and was pushing hogs shoulder to shoulder with some of the same students that he had taught in high school a few years prior...some of whom he was partially responsible for flunking out of school. He was facing demons in himself and still supporting his family and all the while doing a job that required so much more physical stamina than he was really comfortable with at the time. He did this because he was my father and her husband and he had responsibilities to uphold.
For whatever issues we had in our lives while he was alive, i am grateful to have that one story. In this one instance, he was truly in control.

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RE: What foot are you putting forward? - 10/30/2008 5:42:17 PM   
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Thinking back to when I first met my Lord, the foot that he put forward was the one that most represented who he is.  He did not try to impress me, he was just himself.  That meant that one of the first 'special' places he took me was the dump to unload trash from the house.  *g*  Now when we go to the dump we celebrate it with a slurpie.

I can't imagine him going on a date with someone and not taking a shower, but these days if you come by house on a Sunday, he most likely will not be showered, will be dressed in grungy clothes and will be in the garage covered in sawdust.  I can't imagine that would bother those who find him attractive; I know it doesn't bother me and Alandra even when he tracks sawdust all through the house that we have just cleaned. 

For myself, I just want people to present themselves as who they are and then I can make the decision on whether I want them in my life or not.

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