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RE: Due Deference? - 11/1/2008 7:46:44 PM

catize

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Invariably, fear and loyalty are intertwined. Without loyalty, fear has no power, and without fear, loyalty has no strength.

This idea is very unclear to me. I don’t understand how fear and loyalty are necessarily linked. Would you care to expand?

Why do you obey even when the command is not something you enjoy?

I obey because I have agreed to do so. If you are suggesting that I obey out of fear of—oh, let’s say fear of losing the relationship—that doesn’t factor in much, at least for me. It would not occur to me to be disobedient because I know what is expected and I take my responsibilities seriously.
If I had a sudden penchant for disobedience that would indicate that I was the one who wanted to be gone.

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RE: Due Deference? - 11/1/2008 7:50:21 PM

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I obey because I have agreed to do so. If you are suggesting that I obey out of fear of—oh, let’s say fear of losing the relationship—that doesn’t factor in much, at least for me. It would not occur to me to be disobedient because I know what is expected and I take my responsibilities seriously.

But would you have the same relationship (and the same dynamic) if there were not a possibility of losing the relationship over disobedience?

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RE: Due Deference? - 11/1/2008 7:58:49 PM

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I've enjoyed reading this thread... I, too, find that those who create an air of superiority are really hiding something; usually a weakness or insecurity. They are overcompensating. I can understand this, as a fellow human; but if someone doesn't feel comfortable with who they are, then the relationship becomes so complicated. And besides, it's so hard to get to know people when they put up a front.

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RE: Due Deference? - 11/1/2008 8:15:27 PM

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But would you have the same relationship (and the same dynamic) if there were not a possibility of losing the relationship over disobedience?

There are many factors that could change the dynamic and/or end the relationship. I recognize those possibilities but I do not fear them. That would be wasting energy better used for the reality of today, not the “what-if” of tomorrow.

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