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GreedyTop -> Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 12:26:09 AM)

I'm just curious..

for those of you who are not US citizens, who do YOU want to see elected, and why?

from chats I've had with some of my UK friends, I've gotten the feeling that (at least in the UK) the preference is for Obama..






Aswad -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 1:03:15 AM)

Osama. [:D]




GreedyTop -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 1:11:39 AM)

GAH!! just noticed what you'd actually typed...


(smartass)

:P

('sok, Ilike you anyway, although this MAY jeapordize my adoration of you LOL)




zakkan -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 1:32:10 AM)

Obama!

Because I want to see how the DragonBall character will react. Maybe he will spontaneously combust. 




colouredin -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 1:43:23 AM)

Obama, two terms of Bush I dont want to watch the PM following another Republican like a lost puppy dog




Aswad -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 2:06:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

GAH!! just noticed what you'd actually typed...


Yeah, it's easy to miss. Did you by any chance see that Osama poster which says "I'm still free, how about you?" [;)]

quote:

(smartass)


Thank you. I pride myself on the intellectual capacity of my rear end. [:D]

quote:

('sok, Ilike you anyway, although this MAY jeapordize my adoration of you LOL)


Oy. Does this mean my aspirations of world domination may have to be put on hold?

Really, though, from a short term perspective, I'd prefer a dem, but from a long term perspective, I would prefer a rep. The reason is simple enough: the next term will be rough, and the payoff from any cleanup isn't going to be clear until the term after that. Accordingly, if the dems win this time, people will remember a crap term with the dems, and then elect a rep again. If the reps don't fumble the ball, they get the benefits of the work the dems did, along with whatever they themselves did, with most of the payoff toward the end of the term, leading to another term. In the end, people will then remember two comparatively good rep terms, one bad dem term, and two good rep terms. That's a fair bit of momentum right there.

Better to let the reps eat their own shit, and then have the dems clean it up.

Now, I know some would like to put a lot of stock in the voters, but experience seems to indicate it may in fact be as simple as that rough sketch. If so, then the rest of the world will have to deal with more of the same that they have been getting these past two terms. With the already established trend of science and technology becoming increasingly localized to China and India, that is not so good. I mean, with the current airport security (I don't know of too many people in technology fields that are willing to visit the US if they don't have to), a lot of major conferences can't even consider the US a viable place to host a conference, the effects of which will be felt strongly in the longer term.

I know security is one field where the US is falling dangerously far behind, for instance.

And culturally speaking, I think the growing gap between the US and the rest of the world could be bridged a bit by a more liberal government. Heck, while your people are dying on foreign soil, you're debating whether or not to continue state discrimination against homosexuals, for instance. That may seem natural over there, what with Lewinsky overshadowing Clinton and all, but failing to realize that such things are the least of your worries is fairly symptomatic of a culture that has failed to keep up with the times. It may seem a bit unthinkable today, but the US wouldn't be the first empire to fall on account of a culture that stagnated.

Anyway, just some tired thoughts at 10am before bed, so I hope you will forgive the simplistic reasoning.

Health,
al-Aswad.




dreamysubmale -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 2:07:08 AM)

Sara Palin for president.............You betcha (wink wink) [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m11.gif[/image]
                       kidding of course




RealityLicks -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 2:07:18 AM)

I'm very happy to say that I've been proved wrong in some of my views on your country.  Obscenely, I'm old enough to remember Jesse Jackson running, when it was unthinkable that a black candidate could even win their party's nomination, because the possibility of winning the election was so remote.  So to say I was sceptical about Obama's prospects a year ago would be something of an understatement.

Whatever the outcome on Tuesday, I think Americans can view the fact that this candidate has had a fair hearing - from the media and the electorate - as progress.  I think Obama grew in stature during the campaign with Clinton and continued to do so against McCain.  He's produced consistently over a long period of time and none of his opponents have done so, or been called on to do so.  Instead, they have cracked under fire.

Tuesday will be a huge reality check, both for the bigots and the progressives (as normal people tend to be called) whatever the result.  For all the sad and stupid things that have emerged about American attitudes during the race, I have begun to revise my views toward the US. 




ChainGoddess -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 2:58:37 AM)

Just three months ago, I would have had to think about this one,  but that was before McCain brought the Stepford Wife aboard as a running mate.  I think that woman stands for everything women have fought against for centuries.

I am a night owl anyway, and can be found lurking around here at insane hours, but on election night, I will be glued to the tv, hoping that the American people have had the sense to elect Obama. 




piratecommander -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 3:08:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Osama. [:D]





I suspect Osama has more chance of winning that vote than McCain.




Aneirin -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 3:44:54 AM)

Obama for the obvious change he is just by being in the running.

But to note that the media in this country have been more about Obama than anyone else, perhaps it is they that have influenced much of the UK interest in this person.

What he represents, republican, democrat or independent is not an issue, it is the person that is of interest and with hope he will act on his own instincts and not that of his club.




meatcleaver -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 3:51:52 AM)

As you can guess, there has been a lot of discussion and a lot of air time given to the US election. I get five national news on my TV, Dutch, Belgium, French, German and British and it is fair to say just about 100% of Europe is hoping Obama wins. I've heard many politicians and commentators who we regard as rightwing here say McCain doesn't know what day it is and Palin makes them want to find a hole to hide in. One former Thatcher chancellor who is regarded in Britain as pretty much out there on the right, said Palin is totally nuts and one must question McCain's mental health for choosing her. Pretty much the same coming out of other countries too. Obama is seen as intelligent, thoughtful, balanced and a credible leader. Only time will tell of course. People do question jhis lack of experience but shrug that off as being part of the American system. It would be difficult in any European political culture for someone to rise to the top so quickly and purely on the foundation of rhetoric. The most similar person I can think of is Tony Blair who had a lot more expoerience than Obama. However, Blair did prove to be vacuous and without substance but at the time his party needed someone like that, who was totally devoid of substance. America at the moment need a man of substance, Europeans are hoping Obama has some because the alternative selection, McCain and Palin, scares the shit out of them.




corysub -> RE: Non-UliveSA views of this election (11/1/2008 5:24:17 AM)

I would be shocked if europeans, in general, did not support Obama in the U.S. presidential race.  He speaks the language of socialism, and yet denies he is a socialist, his platform is one of stronger central government control over americans from healthcare to education, and I think there is also a deep rooted resentment about the success of America.  Obama's message of "change" resonates with europeans who live in socialist democracies.  Interestingly, I wonder if people who were once held in the chains of communist supression would favor Obama over McCain??. Don't see any comments from Ukraine, Poland, Georgia..et al. 




Irishknight -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 7:11:57 AM)

Damn it!  Now I have to change my vote again.  I can't vote with what Europe wants.  I have to be a mavericky kind of rebel that way.
Just kidding.  It is interesting to hear what others think of our dilemma.  We seem to be choosing between bad and bad.  Its just the same party bad or different party bad.  It kind of reminds me of my bar hopping days.   The sad part is that this headache is going to last 4 years.




KMsAngel -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 7:25:32 AM)

THIS is what's going on...... http://www.IfTheWorldCouldVote.com/results

look at how iraq voted.

and being down under, i think it's fascinating how many of us have voted, as well....




GreedyTop -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 7:52:10 AM)

Great link, Angel! thanks!




MadAxeman -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 7:52:37 AM)

You do utter some tosh Meat. Exiles make for some of the fiercest critics. I'm an old style labour supporter and understand the disappointment that New Labour has engendered by not fulfilling all we had hoped for it. But that was based on heightened expectation. Blair let me down too. But without substance? What about the minimum wage? I'm not going to make a list of good things about him, that is actually counter to my view, but would we have preferred the Tories again?
Obama would get my vote, simply because he has stated he will address economic and foreign policy issues.




Darias -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 8:15:36 AM)

Obama for several reasons

1. mccain is OLD... i can see him croaking and palin taking over... and i just wouldnt trust a VP/President who winks like a stripper....especially one whos so far removed from mainstream america shes seperated by a whole other country

2. fox news`sassination attempts on obama seem too orchastrated not to be some evil republican smoke and mirrors trick....  why is mccain such a bad candidate that fox and the republicans gotta try n destroy his competition to get him the job.

3. joe the plumber... obama answered him ....mccain couldnt even find him

4. republicans are evil...the west wing says so

5. he seems like the anti-Bush (mr not hairy) which in itself is a decent representation

6. he looks better on TV and after all Im only ever gonna have to deal with him on TV so he might as well look good doing it

7. his wifes hot!!!

8 he doesnt have 7 homes

9. he does volenteer work even if republicans think that makes him a crack dealer

10. cause i wanna




hlen5 -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 8:23:25 AM)

I hope people note the number of actual votes as well as the percentage for Obama or McCain. Iraq has a total of 14 votes counted. Australia has 38,000+. Cool website!!




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Non-USA views of this election (11/1/2008 9:01:05 AM)

my pen pal in Belgium tells me that US economy and election news has dominated the television over there for months now.  he likes Obama and hopes we (US citizens) do the right thing by voting for him.  according to my friend, McCain scares the shite out of him.

my Scandanavian and Danish pen pals like Obama too




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