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fyreredsub -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/16/2005 3:43:50 PM)
let us not forget recapitualtion of the family of origin,lol.........thats gotta be in there somewhere....

LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/16/2005 3:59:22 PM)
I'm assuming that everyone understands that there are many areas of psychology, not just the clinical side. The negative comments towards psychology and psychologists are a bit overgeneralized, don't you think? Be well, Julie

Padriag -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/16/2005 4:18:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn I'm assuming that everyone understands that there are many areas of psychology, not just the clinical side. The negative comments towards psychology and psychologists are a bit overgeneralized, don't you think? Anyone ever tell you you have a gift for understatement? Not to mention they're off topic and have nothing to do with the question asked.

candystripper -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/16/2005 4:28:59 PM)
quote: Having spent quite some time being involved with profiling, I can to the conclusion that many of the profilers I worked with were just as sick or worse that the people they were profiling. But then I was never involved with your average mass murderer or common and garden criminal, my area was to a large degree, terrorists.. This begs the question, does a profiler get sick because of what he/she has to face and associate with? or are they sick to start with and just gravitate to a level where they are comfortable? IronBear i know what one does as work can affect one's headspace. The battered women i represented made me look at men funny -- like "if we were alone, would he beat me?" What's the famous quote? quote: Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you. -Nietzsche http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=D538511 candystripper

slavejali -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/16/2005 5:00:33 PM)
jali hops on the couch..did we find a psychologist yet?

LadyKim -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/16/2005 11:23:25 PM)
If someone has an obsession for a behavior they feel is completely unacceptable, they will go out of their way to hide their obsession from others while thinking of ways to participate in the activity without being found out. Example: Let's say that Alexis is a submissive who believes self mutilation is socially unacceptable, and anyone that would cut their own thighs is mentally not all there. However, Alexis equates the pain of being cut with release of emotional pain. Alexis would vocally rally against cutting possibly even serve as a volunteer or counselor. However, she may seek dominants into knife or needle play and jerk hard when she feels the sharpness forcing the edge to cut her though the Dom didn't want to draw blood. Since she is not doing it to herself, it isn't SELF mutilation. I would hope that it is understood not everyone that participates in bdsm is seeking to act out a psychological problem, and participation does not equal deviant behavior. Though psychology does have a diagnostic definition for Sadism and Masochism, they are different than what the bdsm community uses to define those terms. In the psychological diagnosis, the behaviors are considered deviant because they are unconsentual, not safe, and obviously far from sane. The BDSM creed of "Safe, sane, and consentual........ it must always be all three" is a direct contrast to the professional diagnosis criteria. Hope this helps DeepWaters. MzKim

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 3:39:08 AM)
LadyKim, that made sense in a clear, concise way. Obviously, you have a backgroud in the field.

pandoravampire -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 3:42:03 AM)
Lovingmaster, you are very fond of quoting: 'there has never been any research that proves, the efficacy of treating someone, vs leaving them be' I refute that. For all the hundreds of phobics i have 'treated' had they been 'left be' they would still be phobic. Whereas post treatment, they are no longer phobic. How would you explain that as not having effected change? They come, they say, make me not frightened of spiders/dog shit/bread/cats/ birds flying around whatever, you do as they ask. At end of treatment, they are no longer scared. Surely, that's evidence of change for even you? Or there is the usual clinical trials, a dime a dozen that some treatment methods are more successful than others. For smoking ceasation, CBT is more effective than hypnotism for instance. All behavioural therapies are measurable, and therefor, can definately be evidenced to any who care to seek the info. OR for sceptics like yourself. Its not all psychobabble. Some of it is just plain common sense. Effective common sense to boot!

lovingmaster45 -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 4:07:28 AM)
quote: About 26 years ago, i graduated with a major in Sociology. The discipline seems to me as fraught with babble as any other. You are correct candystriper; but that babble does not come from real sociologists; it comes from the social/psychology branch of the discipline. Ask any true sociologists and they will quickly tell you the only thing we can say with certaintity about human behaviort is that the "Iron Law of Oligarchy" has always held true in any and every society we have studied. Get much past C Wright Mills and Rosa Beth Moss Kanter and you have drifted too far into babble. My fascination came with role behavior. Take completely "normal" people and put them in the role of police officer and watch the personality change. I taught criminology for 26 years and was an instructor in the SC Criminal Justice Academy so I got to see it frist hand; and watch the negative effects on families. This was NOT true of 100% of the people; but was an OVERWHELMING majority. For more evidence, you can look at the high divorce rates among law enforcement. And by the way... psychologists ASK peopLe what they think and how they FEEL ...sociologistS WATCH what people DO. A look at any of the suicide studies will show you the huge gap between psychobabble notions about suicide and reality. For example...as a general rule... women ATTEMPT suicide; men COMMIT suicide. In a large number of female suicides, the only reason for success is that help did not arrive soon enough. You must remove homosexual males from the male side of the equation; their behavior is more akin to females in their suicide attempting patterns.

lovingmaster45 -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 4:11:59 AM)
quote: I'm assuming that everyone understands that there are many areas of psychology, not just the clinical side. The negative comments towards psychology and psychologists are a bit overgeneralized, don't you think? Yes Lady JulieAnn; I did forget the "pharmacologists". A whole branch of psychology and psychiatry that has given up on treating the "disease" and gone instead to treating the symptoms with drugs of varying formulations. The real promise is in laser surgery of the cortex. Of course that is coming out of medicine...NOT psychology.... remember "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest"? Frontol lobotomies have been around for a long time; we are just getting more sophisticated in our methods.

LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 8:15:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingmaster45 quote: I'm assuming that everyone understands that there are many areas of psychology, not just the clinical side. The negative comments towards psychology and psychologists are a bit overgeneralized, don't you think? Yes Lady JulieAnn; I did forget the "pharmacologists". A whole branch of psychology and psychiatry that has given up on treating the "disease" and gone instead to treating the symptoms with drugs of varying formulations. The real promise is in laser surgery of the cortex. Of course that is coming out of medicine...NOT psychology.... remember "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest"? Frontol lobotomies have been around for a long time; we are just getting more sophisticated in our methods. You also forgot the psychologists who perform research in various areas such as personality, cognitive and neurological processes, human factors and industrial/organizational processes, developmental processes, etc. Perhaps this link can help enlighten you: http://www.apa.org/ Be well, Julie

Sunshine119 -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 9:06:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingmaster45 quote: I'm assuming that everyone understands that there are many areas of psychology, not just the clinical side. The negative comments towards psychology and psychologists are a bit overgeneralized, don't you think? Yes Lady JulieAnn; I did forget the "pharmacologists". A whole branch of psychology and psychiatry that has given up on treating the "disease" and gone instead to treating the symptoms with drugs of varying formulations. The real promise is in laser surgery of the cortex. Of course that is coming out of medicine...NOT psychology.... remember "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest"? Frontol lobotomies have been around for a long time; we are just getting more sophisticated in our methods. My best guesstimate of real help for people suffering from emotional/behavioral challenges is pharmaceutical/surgical. Psychiatric diseases are, for the most part, physical. Even trauma causes brain chemicals to permanently change. And the reason why men succeed more often than women at actual killing themselves is due to the dramatic drop in serotonin levels in men as they age. Women actually keep the same level through life. Women are actual calling for help. Men WANT to kill themselves. I went to a seminar at Columbia where a researcher demonstrated the average levels of men and women at different ages. Retired men do not kill themselves because they have lost interest in life. Their serotonin levels have dropped off the chart. Already, the Feds have recognized schizophrenia, major depression, OCD and bi-polar disorder as real physical diseases. It won't be long until all the rest follow. As far as I'm concerned, the best psychologists/counselors help people learn to accept their physical disease, lessen stigma so they can get help and take their meds, then encourage them to rejoin life. The worst make people more ill.

Sunshine119 -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 9:25:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeepWaters Hoping to pick a few brains...Im reading an analysis of social systems (yeah I know only dorks read textbooks for pleasure ;) ) anyways I ran across this passage that I keep mulling over in the deviation from cultural patterns chapter..that Im hoping someone can give me some Psychologist examples as it relates to the D/s world. "mechanisms of defense as these are primarily psychological in nature, though they are also relevant sociologically for several reasons. In the first place an understanding of the phenomenon of repression give a clue to how the subsequent deviance will be expressed. If a person represses and institutionilized standard so he can violate it, he will be a compulsive innovator or ritualist, depending on whether goals or means are repressed. If both goals and means are repressed, deviance will be expressed as compulsive retreatism. The compulsive nature of the deviance emerges as a consequence of reaction formation. Similarily if he represses a disapproved means or goal so that he can conform, he will express his deviance compulsively in overcomfortity. I other words the direction of deviance is related to which side of an ambivalence a person in conflict represses." (the last part I think I can see as like a pedophile priest who publicly denounces child porn maybe even crusades against it but has his own collection)...but the first part...how does that get expressed or repressed..when D/s is the institutionalized standard for instance??? thanks any insights are always welcome. DW Figured I'd finally get around to answering the OP's question here. There are several assumptions being made that need to be corrected. First, D/s is most probably NOT psychologically deviant thought/behavior. D/s most probably is the norm for most human beings. It certainly is the way the entire animal kingdom exists. There are those animals that are the leaders of the pack and those who are the followers. Examples of suppression of the natural order comes when society tells us what we should look like, how we should act. There are both men and women who have dominant natures. Men are being feminized in our society at the moment. They are being turned into metrosexuals. For some, this is a liberation of their submissive natures and gives them permission to act as their nature calls without incurring stigma from society. For some, this causes anxiety as their nature calls them to dominate others. The opposite would hold true for women. Those who are strong and dominant are applauded, while those who are more submissive by nature are told they are now liberated and to get with the program. The problem is, that with hundreds of thousands of years of living in a society where D/s has been the norm, 50 years of "liberation" isn't going to change nature. The majority of women are and will continue to be more submissive than a man who has not tried to suppress his nature. There are exceptions to this and that is why we have Dommes and male subs. But, they are not in the majority. In addition, they are not supressing their natures. They are allowing themselves to live in the manner that their brains are wired. D/s is not repression or reaction to deviance but rather the opposite. Now, some aspects of BDSM may be.....lol.....but isn't it fun?

kyraofMists -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 12:02:14 PM)
Sunshine and lovingmaster45, I would be interested in reading the scientific studies that have led both of you to state that women do not want to kill themselves, whereas men do want to kill themselves when each attempt suicide. Can you provide me with the scientific journals where these studies were presented? Thank you, Knight's kyra

Sunshine119 -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 9:38:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists Sunshine and lovingmaster45, I would be interested in reading the scientific studies that have led both of you to state that women do not want to kill themselves, whereas men do want to kill themselves when each attempt suicide. Can you provide me with the scientific journals where these studies were presented? Thank you, Knight's kyra Kyra, I sent the studies directly to your email without first reading that I should have sent them to your master instead. Please excuse this ommission.

frillsnthrills -> RE: Is there a Psychologist in the house? (12/17/2005 11:44:42 PM)
You looking for insight here? hahahaha..... lol. Good luck with that.

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