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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 6:51:44 AM   
Sanity


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Status: offline 		Sure, amendments 4, 9, and especially 10.

They're brief enough and easy enough to find on the Internet that (hopefully) you shouldn't require further assistance on my part.


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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 6:58:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's also that pesky sentence in the Declaration of Independence that Obama will have to shit on, isn't there.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:00:18 AM   
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The Bill Of Rights tells us that we have every right to consume however much we desire, and so how is your shining knight Obama going to slay that particular dragon exactly.


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Which is that over-consumption is at the root of many of our problems.



He's not, and no, it doesn't.

He was making a general point about over-consumption.

I'm pretty sure the Bill of Rights doesn't include that we can gorge ourselves on whatever we desire.  Or, for that matter, even remotely address the issue. 

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:03:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh - he's not talking policy, he's preaching morality.

Got it.  

Thanks for clearing that up.


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He was making a general point about over-consumption.


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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:07:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Oh - he's not talking policy, he's preaching morality.

Got it.  

Thanks for clearing that up.


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He was making a general point about over-consumption.



Yes, I guess he is.

I don't particularly agree with it, but it's a lot tamer than Bush's religious ramblings, so I guess it's a step up.

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:08:16 AM   
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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:19:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would like to point out here that the reason the Republicans were in office was because not that long ago the Democrats messed up badly and the people got fed up with them.  Also Bush's win is still questionable to being legal.  The Dems took it away from the Republicans for the same reason. So the cycle goes on, like a bad tennis match with the same two players, from Franklin Pierce in 1853 till  today.  Before him were two Whig Presidents, since then it has only been Dem.or Rep.  And we thought we had more than a 2 party system. 
  I keep seeing everyone comment on what kind of President Obama will be.  But nobody mentions Biden.  What kind of President do you think he will be if it comes to that?   just curious  nejisty

P. S.  Obama being 1/2 black/1/2 white brings to mind someone dipping their toes in the pool.  We will vote for an African American for President but he is not completely African American.  amuses me

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:39:05 AM   
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Also Bush's win is still questionable to being legal.


I get so sick of this claim. Bush's first term did take a legal battle to happen but it was deemed to be legal. Regardless his second term did not have the legal issues behind - that win is enough to make his presidenacy "legal".

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:42:51 AM   
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Oh - he's not talking policy, he's preaching morality.



Got to admit, after watching Obama the last couple of days, his speaches do come across as a little messianic, almost Hitlerish in the amateur dramatics but I suppose this could be a cultural thing.

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:47:33 AM   
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The Bill Of Rights tells us that we have every right to consume however much we desire, and so how is your shining knight Obama going to slay that particular dragon exactly

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Sure, amendments 4, 9, and especially 10.

They're brief enough and easy enough to find on the Internet that (hopefully) you shouldn't require further assistance on my part.




The 4th. ammendment insures that we are not subject to "unlawful" searches or seizures.  It does not confer a specific right for you or anyone else to consume as much as you wish.
The 9th ammendment states that those right enumerated in the bill of rights are not exhaustive and does not preclude other rights that reside with the people...it does not give you or any one else the right to consume as much as you choose.
The tenth ammendment states that those rights not specifically given to the federal government are retained by the states and therefore the people.  It also does not give you or anyone else the right to consume as much as you wish.
The constitution does however give the federal government the right to make laws to govern the states and people of the U.S.  This right of the federal government does limit your right to consume as much as you choose.
Your posts seem to lack any real understanding of either the english language or the meaning of the constitution.  Your posts seem rather to be filled with a conscious vitriol against anything and everything that you perceive as not conforming to your view of how things should be.  You seem to have no problem personally accepting welfare when it suits you but refuse to see it being dispensed to anyone else not of your particular social/economic stature.

H. 

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 7:50:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		    Legality and Justice are sometimes two separate things. The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what is legal, but they are not 100% objective 100% of the time. They follow current mores that years later have people scratching their heads. One specific example is the Dred Scott case ("Why yes, it is legal to take your slave from a slave state to a free state and keep him a slave").

Thank God the Bush reign is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:00:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		lol meatcleaver I like your babble. Let Obama do his job first and then compare.  

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:17:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think he's preparing to argue the opposing side, and it's pretty kool that now there is opportunity for such.   Messianic that is tempered with humility, good education, and good advisors is acceptable for now.   M

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:24:33 AM   
Sanity


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Status: offline 		I'm sure you'll warm right up to Obama, meatcleaver.

Very soon.


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Oh - he's not talking policy, he's preaching morality.



Got to admit, after watching Obama the last couple of days, his speaches do come across as a little messianic, almost Hitlerish in the amateur dramatics but I suppose this could be a cultural thing.


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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:29:04 AM   
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P. S.  Obama being 1/2 black/1/2 white brings to mind someone dipping their toes in the pool.  We will vote for an African American for President but he is not completely African American.  amuses me

Almost all African Americans are of mixed heritage. President elect Obama's mixed heritage is simply much more recent than many.

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:30:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I give MCCAIN credit, for any Republican would have had a terrible time hoisting the banner high after the last 8 years of Bush,I voted Republican,I have no regreets in doing so, coming from a strong democrat family from the reconstruction.era,I did split my ticket to vote for Rockefeller for the senator and boy Governor Joe Manision...I am willing to turn the page and give Obama and his team a chance... edited to add...With lots of native American blood running hot Thur my veins, I suppose you could call me mixed as well..

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:33:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		First rule he should make is ..not to talk about afro americans..but calling every one with a USA passport an american.
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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:35:32 AM   
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I give MCCAIN credit, for any Republican would have had a terrible time hoisting the banner high after the last 8 years of Bush
am willing to turn the page and give Obama and his team a chance...
Agreed on the uphill climb McCain had...   And that is a very reasonable position to take with the new president.   M

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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:45:11 AM   
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The 4th. ammendment insures that we are not subject to "unlawful" searches or seizures. 

 
So will Obama and friends soon make it "lawful" for government thugs to check our refrigerators and our thermostats regularly to ensure that we're not consuming more than Glorious Leader permits?
 
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It does not confer a specific right for you or anyone else to consume as much as you wish.

 
So you confirm that you believe Glorious Leader has every right to watch over and control our every action (for our own good, of course).
 
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The 9th ammendment states that those right enumerated in the bill of rights are not exhaustive and does not preclude other rights that reside with the people...it does not give you or any one else the right to consume as much as you choose.

 
The Bill Of Rights doesn't grant us rights, it was supposed to limit the rights that the Glorious Leader can infringe upon.

Ah, the good old days...

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The tenth ammendment states that those rights not specifically given to the federal government are retained by the states and therefore the people.  It also does not give you or anyone else the right to consume as much as you wish.
 
So in your view, Glorious Leader may usurp any right not specifically granted us in the Bill Of Rights... see above.

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The constitution does however give the federal government the right to make laws to govern the states and people of the U.S.  This right of the federal government does limit your right to consume as much as you choose.
 
It is interesting that you really believe that the Constitution actually gives Glorious Leader the right to monitor and control our "consumption".

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Your posts seem to lack any real understanding of either the english language or the meaning of the constitution. 

 
I consider this a real compliment, coming from you.
 
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Your posts seem rather to be filled with a conscious vitriol against anything and everything that you perceive as not conforming to your view of how things should be. 

 
Right back atcha Democratic man
 
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You seem to have no problem personally accepting welfare when it suits you but refuse to see it being dispensed to anyone else not of your particular social/economic stature.

 
That is a very strange accusation for you make... as you speak of things you know nothing of.


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RE: THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN - 11/5/2008 8:48:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		TY for all the responses both good and bad butttttttt, some of you guys are so far off you couldn't see sunshine with a flashlight..bounty

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