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Mercnbeth -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 2:08:38 PM)

Philo,
I'd argue that the people involved in the conflict you give for example have much more in common, especially common goals, than the people on the other side of the table concerning the Middle East. However, I won't argue if you claim that isn't the case. I've read a lot more about the middle east than I have about Northern Ireland and would accept your position if you believe that the two cases are similar and do have a similar goal of a negotiated peaceful co-existence. Never has that concept been conveyed by the US protagonists in the Middle East.

Again - I view as a positive PE(Shorthand for President Elect) Obama's stated intent to distance US policy from Israeli policy. How that plays into the equation may make the comparison more aligned. I don't think a similar third party of interest was involved in Northern Ireland - was there?




philosophy -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 2:23:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Philo,
I'd argue that the people involved in the conflict you give for example have much more in common, especially common goals, than the people on the other side of the table concerning the Middle East. However, I won't argue if you claim that isn't the case. I've read a lot more about the middle east than I have about Northern Ireland and would accept your position if you believe that the two cases are similar and do have a similar goal of a negotiated peaceful co-existence. Never has that concept been conveyed by the US protagonists in the Middle East.


....in my experience the US media has slanted the popular conception of what's happening in th ME. At the end of the day we are all human....the vast majority of humans want to do human things like eat, drink, make babies and raise them as they want.......

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Again - I view as a positive PE(Shorthand for President Elect) Obama's stated intent to distance US policy from Israeli policy. How that plays into the equation may make the comparison more aligned. I don't think a similar third party of interest was involved in Northern Ireland - was there?


...arguably the very same third party. US private citizens, rather than a stated governmental aim to be sure.......but US money funded the bombs and guns. Clinton pretty much put a stop to it (which is one reason why he is admired in the UK), John Major (UK PM) started the talks without preconditions and the rest is history.




NorthernGent -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 2:26:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub

What have the British.........done



We gave you chips....what more do you fuckin' want?

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ORIGINAL: corysub

what could they have done withhout America and it love of freedom everywhere.??



Nothing, Cory. 'You been on the freedom fries again, mate?




MistresseLotus -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 2:43:46 PM)

At least we elected someone who knows where and what Africa is.. Good Lord...  This is a very interesting link about Palin from an actual FOX newscast.




Mercnbeth -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 3:17:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus

At least we elected someone who knows where and what Africa is.. Good Lord...  This is a very interesting link about Palin from an actual FOX newscast.


And has an eye on the future of the US when we have 57 States!

(Sorry Lotus - sometimes I just can't help myself!)[sm=evil.gif]




FullfigRIMaam -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 3:25:56 PM)

I saw, but it's not really nice/fair that fix news, after sitting on all things ugly about her, now throw her under the bus because the man who chose her lost.   M




MistresseLotus -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 4:36:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

I saw, but it's not really nice/fair that fix news, after sitting on all things ugly about her, now throw her under the bus because the man who chose her lost.   M

'Tis the republican way. You mean you didn't know she was a looser before it became official? 




MzMia -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 5:31:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin
however you cant claim that voting in a black president for the first time isnt a big deal its historical whether you like it or not, its historical because it hasnt happened before.


It does mean a lot to a lot of people that an African American got elected to the highest office in the land. Why would anyone argue aginst this simple fact? Time to rejoice, not to be bitter.


Thanks kittin, you stated a simple fact.
The American people voted for him, because THEY felt he was the
BEST candidate for the job.
He also happens to be a Black American.
That is why people are rejoicing, and it is a historical event, whether people LIKE it or not.
The negative posts, don't change the facts, or make anyone less happy.
[:D]




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 5:36:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia
(not holding my breath though)


Oh, go on, you know you want to.


tried that...it didn't change anything




TNstepsout -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 7:08:52 PM)

Too bad this thread got off track.  There's really little I can say to express how overwhelmed with emotion I am over the Obama victory. I really believe in this man and that makes me feel incredibly hopeful. I don't know if the people around the world are happy because we elected our first black president, or if it's because they are as inspired by his message as I am, or a little of both. Whichever it is, it's just another reason to feel hopeful about the future. We have a leader who is inspiring the world before he has even stepped foot in the oval office. How much better for us that we may begin to heal and strengthen our relationships around the world. That we may begin to lead by example instead of through force.

It's a momentous time and I pray that those who are fearful of change can learn to embrace and find joy in it and realize that the world is changing and we must change with it. We now have a leader who can help us make that transition in a good way so we can come out stronger and better on the other side.




MzMia -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 7:15:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

Too bad this thread got off track.  There's really little I can say to express how overwhelmed with emotion I am over the Obama victory. I really believe in this man and that makes me feel incredibly hopeful. I don't know if the people around the world are happy because we elected our first black president, or if it's because they are as inspired by his message as I am, or a little of both. Whichever it is, it's just another reason to feel hopeful about the future. We have a leader who is inspiring the world before he has even stepped foot in the oval office. How much better for us that we may begin to heal and strengthen our relationships around the world. That we may begin to lead by example instead of through force.

It's a momentous time and I pray that those who are fearful of change can learn to embrace and find joy in it and realize that the world is changing and we must change with it. We now have a leader who can help us make that transition in a good way so we can come out stronger and better on the other side.



Wonderful post!
It really is both TN.

He is an inspiring, brilliant world leader, who also
happens to be the FIRST Black American President.
It is a very historic event.
That is the way Billions of people around the world view him.
The few that "don't get it" won't, who cares?
People around the world "get it" and that is what counts! [sm=yahoo.gif]






GreedyTop -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/6/2008 10:07:52 PM)

From Yahoo:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_el_pr/obama_world_leaders




RealityLicks -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 3:44:46 AM)

Amidst all the comments on the first black President, has anyone considered that Bush might be the last white President? [8D]




kittinSol -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 4:24:31 AM)

Last WASP, hopefully [8D] .




MadAxeman -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 4:27:39 AM)

You can spray for them




meatcleaver -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 4:33:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub

I also find it amazing the europeans are soo happy about the election of a "black President" in the United States, which I think is bullshit. Europeans have victimized people of race for centuries, (the first slaves came to an America under English rule),


Get a life. America could have freed the slaves when it won independence. It didn't because the founding fathers, despite their angelic words about freedom, were slave owners and they didn't even think that 90% of ordinary white colonists were fit enough to vote. Black slaves who could find their way to England would be free because slavery was illegal in England. Slavery was a product of the emerging capitalist free market, that the founding fathers believed in. I'm not saying England was governed by saints but slavery was never a government policy in England like it was in the USA.

In fact corysub, slavery still exists. International corporations that are household names employ slaves by proxy and we all enjoy the cheap priced products it brings us. It is criminal and that is how the slave trade worked, capitalists claimed it as free enterprise. Both the US and Europe turn a blind eye to it or only make nominal gestures to do anything about it. We are as bad as each other.

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ORIGINAL: corysub

and the prejudice against peoples because of their race, ethnic group or creed has littered the landscape with dead bodies fro Dachau to Bosnia, to Belfast, to Germany and to every country on the continent until today.  Don't preach to America about our morality or lack thereof Europeans.  Someone made a comment here that American foreign policy has been terrible for the past 60 years...That would include feeding Berlin, standing tall with our "allies" against the Russian horde, to keeping South Korea Free,to forcing the Iron Curtain down and freeing the Eastern Bloc,  to freeing tens of millions of Iraqi's until this morning.  What have the British, the French, the Germans, the Italians, to Spanish, the Greeks..or any one else done,..what could they have done withhout America and it love of freedom everywhere.??


You fed Berlin because the Russians wanted Berlin. It was part of the cold war chess game. The fact that west Berliners benefited was incidental.

You haven't freed one Iraqi, you didn't go there to free Iraqis you went there to impose a regime change. Exactly the same fucking type of action you accuse Europeans of doing and you are right but you are no better, you are the same. The difference in the last 60 years is that we all live in democracies and we should all hold our governments to account when they invade other countries and claim to be fighting for freedom when they clearly aren't and pursued their 'freedom' poliicies through lies.

Western belief in freedom, whether it is the American or European variety is just vacuous rhetoric. The west believes in capitalism, which is not freedom and the citizens of both don't care to examine that fact too closely because they like the material wellbeing of turning a blind eye to the reality brings.




LadyEllen -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 4:35:59 AM)

I heard it in German courtesy of WDR on the radio as I was driving back Wednesday. I think by now everyone here would know what I felt at the news - expected as it was.

Last night on BBCs This Week (roundup of the week in politics) they had a whole bunch of Afro-Caribbean Brits on talking about what it meant for them, and I can understand that - indeed its one of my hopes out of all this that this community over here will now finally feel empowered to take part fully in the mainstream, realise their aspirations and bring the potential of their often undervalued contribution to the whole - but it means something important too to the rest of us as well - the beginnings of the realisation for a world where everyone, regardless of the nature of their particular diversity, can be regarded by the measure proferred by MLK, that is by their character rather than their degree of variance from some notional "ideal".

This is personally important to me too - OK, so I'm white and middle class, albeit my background is most definitely working class - but I too am far from this notional "ideal", being one who ought to be condemned for my being regardless of my doing according to many. I hope that as our British ethnic minorities will take heart from the election of Obama, the era that his Presidency begins will see the likes of me also moving from being tolerated but excluded to being accepted and included by the same realisation of the new measure.

E




kittinSol -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 4:42:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadAxeman

You can spray for them


Know where we can find a well endowed tomcat to do the job for us?




MadAxeman -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 4:58:47 AM)

LadyE for PM
I love it when Cory and Meat talk shirty




persephonee -> RE: World Wide Cheers for Barack Obama! (11/7/2008 5:00:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia
(not holding my breath though)


Oh, go on, you know you want to.


omg...we are twins kittin....i was rushing to the end of the thread to let him know that im all on board with him doing just that....for just as long as it takes.
xxooxx
perse




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