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lobodomslavery -> Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 8:57:39 AM)

i was in college today and while searching for jobs, i was taken by the criteria in one which asked for superior grammar and spellings skills. it got me to thinking is society accepting more and more now that there are superior and inferior beings. Masters/Mistresses do you believe that there are beings who are superior and beings who are inferior or is it all just a load of codswallop. Do you feel superior only in scene or in everyday life to others. Dommes do you feel superior to all males/females or only those in scene. Doms do you feel superior to all males/females or only those in scene.  Where does your Domme/Dom role stop or does it. .  is there any room for equality in this lifestyle. do you treat your servants as equals at any stage. in real life do you treat vanilla people as equals or do you expect the same level of respect you get from your servants. i would be interested in the responses
kevin



UmbraDomina -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 9:32:03 AM)

in my life..........( aka my .02 cents worth)

My slave is my equal, although different from me. kind of like a coin, two seperate different sides, both are equal sides of the coin, but both bring something different to the whole.
I value myself, so why would I want to spend time with someone who was worthless, or less then me?
My beloved slave is one of the strongest, brightest men I have ever met. He does not submit to me out of weakness, or being less then me, he submits to me out of his free will, with dignity and love.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 9:39:56 AM)

Thanks, Alexandra, I couldn't have explained it better---and your husband is fabulous! 



lobodomslavery -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 9:40:22 AM)

thats what i always thought Alexandra. in my opinion anyone who thinks a Woman has superior intelligence or is superior to a man, they are living in fantasy lead. we are equal in everything but play
kevin



RealSub58 -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 10:04:50 AM)

I have superior skills with knowledge of how to procrastinate.This doesnt not make me a superior human being, just superior at this particular skill.  Now there are others with the same superior skill (I hope [8D]) of procrastination.  Are they better at procrastinating then me?  Maybe or maybe not.  (damn, I hope I am not the worst!  [8|])    To say I am a superior human being because I can procrastinate .... is totally laughable.  How can a human being be superior because of a skill taught to them?  Skin every human being alive and we all look the same.If someone thinks they are superior to another it is called EGO ! In a M/s D/s dynamic, both are still dependent upon the other's role to function "correctly" as a whole dynamic.So how can one be superior?



Lashra -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 10:52:56 AM)

We are equal human beings with different roles in the relationship. That is how I view it, though many people I am sure would disagree.

~Lashra



darchChylde -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 11:48:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

I have superior skills with knowledge of how to procrastinate.This doesnt not make me a superior human being, just superior at this particular skill.  Now there are others with the same superior skill (I hope [8D]) of procrastination.  Are they better at procrastinating then me?  Maybe or maybe not.  (damn, I hope I am not the worst!  [8|])    To say I am a superior human being because I can procrastinate .... is totally laughable.  How can a human being be superior because of a skill taught to them?  Skin every human being alive and we all look the same.If someone thinks they are superior to another it is called EGO ! In a M/s D/s dynamic, both are still dependent upon the other's role to function "correctly" as a whole dynamic.So how can one be superior?



One of these days we should get together to start a procrastinators support group.  How about next week or maybe next month?  Well, let me get to you on that later.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 11:51:46 AM)

I am way better at procrastination than either of you.  Why, I meant to respond to this thread before it even started!



RumpusParable -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 12:08:20 PM)

I believe there are superior and inferior people, yes, but based on individuals' strengths and traits as a whole...

Do I consider myself superior to my submissive/slave partner(s)?  No and yes:  No, outside our relationship as just general people; yes, within the structure and style of our relationship roles.



Lockit -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 12:31:52 PM)

As human beings... no one is superior in my view of things.  Do I consider myself better than some and worse than other's?  Sure, but that doesn't mean superior either way.  We are equal of value.

In my relationships, we are equal, just different.  Equal rights, equal importance and equal value, but the dynamic's might appear to be such that I am superior, but I reject that.  That isn't the way it is.  I am simply dominant and he is submissive and neither are resentful of the dynamic and want it to be that way.  If either were resentful I would think that they would feel as if there was some unfair superior something going on, but that isn't a healthy situation and one can't determine all this when their attitude is so bad.

Kevin, if you are thinking that dominance means superior to the dominant's, you have some confusion.  Most dominant's will say they are not superior.  I have found those that look at me as superior or who think that I think that I am superior have things confused and do have some bitterness or wounds that need to be addressed.  On the other hand... I have seen dominant's that think they are superior than other's and I most often will consider that they have some wounds too.  The simple fact is, until they start creating magic outside of sex, miracles and prove themselves to be superior... they are just like anyone else.



darchChylde -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 12:34:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am way better at procrastination than either of you.  Why, I meant to respond to this thread before it even started!


Hey LadyH, you've got c-mail coming; when I get around to it.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 12:40:41 PM)

~Fast Reply~

For me, this is very much individualized for the particular person (whether servant or Keeper). Some are my intellectual equals, some are not. Some are my social equals, some are not. They are all my equals in humanity, but everything else is up for grabs, and when it comes to the dynamic, whether they are equal to me in intellect, finances, age, or any other criteria one chooses to invoke, they will -never- be equal to me in being in charge of the relationship... that is the -point- of being involved in an unbalanced-power relationship. Regardless of other criteria, the only criteria that is of any import when a rule is set down is the one determining who leads and who follows in the relationship. If a prospective servant has no intention of following my lead -- needless to say, xhe's not suddenly an 'equal' in our household.. in fact, xhe is likely no longer a -part- of our household.




PeonForHer -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 1:04:06 PM)

My slave is my equal . . .

On the face of it, I do think it's rather difficult to say that without people scratching their heads and thinking "What?!", no matter how you qualify afterwards, Umbra D. [:D]  Yet, as in many things, it probably goes back to the definition of informed consent: if he's chosen to be a slave, then he's not really a slave.  Not in the traditional sense of that word, anyway.

Beyond that, I feel myself coming to two other conclusions.  One is that the desire to submit is aimed at something so much bigger than terms like "inferior/superior" will allow.  They're barely relevant anymore.  The second is that without a lot of strength (of whatever kind) to start with, it might well be impossible for someone to be a submissive type at all.

For my part, though, it wouldn't matter a damn to me if I felt myself inferior in a relationship with a domme.  Who cares about getting a muddy face if you're diving for gold?



FullfigRIMaam -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 3:03:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery
thats what i always thought Alexandra. in my opinion anyone who thinks a Woman has superior intelligence or is superior to a man, they are living in fantasy lead. we are equal in everything but play
kevin
Isn't this really why you started this thread?   To talk of your discomfort with female dominants?   In reading different opinions of yours on the boards, I've concluded that we will eventually hear your angry side as it pertains to fem doms.
This is a site dedicated to alternative relationship types.   I'll explain this to you this one time: when people use superior or supremacy in a D/s relationship, they are not referring to a prejudice toward the masses; they are usually, if not always, referring to their specific relationship and situation.    I rather enjoy being in a relationship with someone who knows things I don't, because that makes him interesting, and smart, and a smart submissive/obedient man is the hottest thing in the world.    M



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 3:08:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

in my opinion anyone who thinks a Woman has superior intelligence or is superior to a man, they are living in fantasy lead.

I know I am superior to some men, in intelligence as well as strength and abilities.
Gender has nothing to do with superiority.
My Fox is my equal, though I have had slaves that were inferior to me. Both male and female, and for various reasons.

DV



camille65 -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 3:10:24 PM)

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SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 3:17:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

i was in college today and while searching for jobs, i was taken by the criteria in one which asked for superior grammar and spellings skills. it got me to thinking is society accepting more and more now that there are superior and inferior beings. Masters/Mistresses do you believe that there are beings who are superior and beings who are inferior or is it all just a load of codswallop. Do you feel superior only in scene or in everyday life to others. Dommes do you feel superior to all males/females or only those in scene. Doms do you feel superior to all males/females or only those in scene.  Where does your Domme/Dom role stop or does it. .  is there any room for equality in this lifestyle. do you treat your servants as equals at any stage. in real life do you treat vanilla people as equals or do you expect the same level of respect you get from your servants. i would be interested in the responses
kevin


Possessing superior skills does not equal being a superior person.  It simply means one has greater aptitude or training in a particular area.  Anyone can learn a skill and hone it to superiority.  However, to be superior as a person (as in the case of female superiority, for example) indicates a belief that one is superior based on the condition of one's birth.
 
I don't believe in or practice female superiority or believe in my innate superiority as a dominant.  Dominance is an inborn trait but doesn't necessarily make me superior.  I don't consider myself superior to my girl.  She is submissive to me but we have entered into a sybiotic relationship.  Neither of us is superior or inferior; our roles are equally necessary within the relationship in order to make it work.  However, each of us has skills in which we are superior to the other.  My spelling and grammar are superior to hers because I am a writer/editor and have honed my skills over many years.  OTOH, her cooking is vastly superior to mine. 



LadyPact -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 3:41:25 PM)

We do have some folks who identify as female supremacist as well as Dominant.  Of course, on other boards, the gorean one in particular, the same can be said for male supremacist who also happen to be Dominant.  Being either of those doesn't necessarily mean that both are required.  Not all Dominants of either gender have to believe in supremacy.  Personally, it isn't My belief that either gender is superior over the other based solely on the fact of what's between their legs.

Do I believe My sub is inferior because he's a sub?  Absolutely not.  In fact, in some areas, his strengths are better than Mine.  I have strengths that are different than his.  If I honestly felt he was inferior, I probably wouldn't have wanted him.

As far as others in the scene, again I'm not a supremacist.  It's another place where I might have stronger or weaker skills than someone else, or more time in the lifestyle, but that's not superiority.  Anyone not in the scene, is just another person to Me.



FullfigRIMaam -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 4:23:36 PM)

Thank you camille65.  
I always wonder why anyone would find it appropriate to try and generalize what specific relationships should be like/about;  and forget that a major part of BDSM is dominance and submission (or master and slave), where people are not playing roles, but being themselves as they wish to be in a relationship.    M



MsStarlett -> RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or equal to you (11/6/2008 4:48:24 PM)

Equal.  I can even support the theory that the sub is the one with the real power.  He/She has the power to say "No."



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