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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/8/2008 10:52:53 PM   
AcademyForSlaves


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Status: offline 		Sounds like the Goddess Worship pages on GoddessClub.com might appeal to you. Ten Commandments, worship rituals, altars, mantras, video clips, etc.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 6:44:17 AM   
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I suppose I wasn't clear enough.  I find the concept of being "worshipped" the province of people who take themselves far too seriously.


I find the concept of needing to take time out of your day to declare "that's dumb because I don't believe in it" the province of people who take themselves far too seriously.

I'm a narcissist, true..at least I can admit it.


If you only wanted people to respond who agreed with you, you should have said, "I have no interest in hearing from people who might see things differently than I do, I only want to hear from people who can validate my opinion because I desperately need their approval."  See, it's not that difficult.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 7:02:23 AM   
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At that moment, it did not matter one bit whether I took myself "seriously" or not: when a man looks up at you with the blood thundering through his brain and gasps out "Goddess!" without a shred of premeditation or cynicism...it's not because he's been moved to religious awe by the size of your ego. He's just so overwhelmed by pain/pleasure/arousal/fear that it's causing some kind of shamanic religious experience.



The minute a man starts thinking of me as a goddess is the minute I start thinking about ending the relationship.  These guys tend to live in a fantasy world and they bail the minute real life becomes "icky."  It's fine if you're only interested in casual play or you only meet the sub occasionally, but I want someone who will be there with me through thick and thin.  The "goddess" boys tend to take off as soon as the domina stops looking so much like a goddess and starts looking more like a real human being.  It's been my experience; it may not be everyone's.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 9:18:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

At that moment, it did not matter one bit whether I took myself "seriously" or not: when a man looks up at you with the blood thundering through his brain and gasps out "Goddess!" without a shred of premeditation or cynicism...it's not because he's been moved to religious awe by the size of your ego. He's just so overwhelmed by pain/pleasure/arousal/fear that it's causing some kind of shamanic religious experience.



The minute a man starts thinking of me as a goddess is the minute I start thinking about ending the relationship.  These guys tend to live in a fantasy world and they bail the minute real life becomes "icky."  It's fine if you're only interested in casual play or you only meet the sub occasionally, but I want someone who will be there with me through thick and thin.  The "goddess" boys tend to take off as soon as the domina stops looking so much like a goddess and starts looking more like a real human being.  It's been my experience; it may not be everyone's.


I understand what Shakti is saying, and I do understand the thrill of moving someone in a scene context.  That sort of thing I can handle. 

Venatrix hit it squarely for me, though---my former slave was all over the Goddess thing, and I indulged him, but I found that it created distance between us, rather than making us closer.   Idols have feet of clay, more often than not, and that becomes unforgivable.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 10:15:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't see why a sub shouldn't be overwhelmed with the idea of goddess one day but not for the next six (or thirty, for that matter).  Why is it so difficult?   What you lose on the swings you gain on the roundabouts.  Goddesses are exciting, but you can't crack jokes with them.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 10:19:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhh... Charming, witty AND bright.  What a lovely combination.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 10:21:09 AM   
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Goddesses are exciting, but you can't crack jokes with them.


Which is exactly why I do not relate to the Goddess archetype.  I laugh too loudly, and sometimes in the wrong places.   Not that there aren't Goddesses who do that kind of thing, too... but they tend to be Crones, and I am not quite there.   Yet!

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 10:28:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, I feel really sorry you two have had such bad experiences, Venatrix and Lady Hibiscus. That's not how it is for Mistress and I at all.

Now, I won't go into an extended dissertation on psychology or the importance of the sacred in life or humanity's seemingly biological need for spiritualism or religion of some kind. Suffice to say, there is a difference between the sort of deeply personal experience that Shakti is describing and the weekend warrior objectification that you're putting forth. I don't think she's actually a near omnipotent being, she's very much human, but something special does happen between us during those times.

And as for not being able to crack jokes about deities, sexual or otherwise...Yeeeah, if that was true, I'd have a lot of grief from multiple pantheons, let alone Mistress. Fortunately only she's real enough to exact divine vengeance, and she seems to get a kick out of my funnies. ;)


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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 10:31:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
Gotta say, though, that people probably need to find some other word to call this kind of BDSM, because I would agree that right now "worship" is pretty much a degraded term that just means "rubbing and licking".


I have sometimes used the term worshipful submission. However, my concept of worshipful submission is different than that described in the OP and, like other areas in BDSM, I expect this term or type of play will be subjectively defined across people.

I think another point relevant to interpretation is that worship often is interpretted to suggest a supernatural being. I expect that most who make reference to worship do not think the dominant to be beyond human but instead an object of great reverence and devotion.

Different people take away different rewards from BDSM, of which one is spiritual gratification found in devotion. Understandably, such reverence and placing the dominant on too high a pedestal can create a distance that does not align well with some other forms D/s relationships can take.

As for ideas, I think D/s rituals are a good way for each person to remember, feel, and celebrate their roles. Towards this type of play, rituals used in pagan religions (or even book-based religions) could be a good source of ideas for rituals to adopt.

Cheers,

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 10:40:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		So I am imagining this comic strip in a femdom publication.

In frame one, there is a sub kneeling before an altar praying to his domme, Goddess, I pray to you for a promotion at work. Please, oh omnipotent Goddess, please, grant me this promotion!

In frame two, a domme is watching him pray at the altar through webcam

In frame three, the domme is sitting in a CEOs office with her feet up on his desk while the CEO is kneeling before her. Yes, by coincidence the CEO of the sub's company is also a sub to her. She says to him, oh and I want you to give a promotion to so and so.

In frame four....oh I don't know. Something about how praying to your Goddess for a promotion can indeed help you get that promotion!

;-)

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 12:03:01 PM   
ShaktiSama


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Status: offline 		I am sympathetic to any woman who has had a bad experience, certainly, with a man who loved the iconic image of womanhood that existed in his head far more than he could ever love a real woman.  This is not a phenomenon confined to a certain type of submissive man, however, or even to submissive men in particular.  Dominant men are more than capable of loving an ideal more than they love a real person as well.

To say that there is an automatic connection between a man who might enjoy "Goddess play" and a man who is incapable of real love, humane companionship and intimacy...is just silly.  It would be just as silly as saying that the inability to relate well to a real woman was automatically connected to men with blonde hair, or green eyes, or men who were born in New Jersey, or any other arbitrary quality that your bad ex-lover had.

*shrug*  At any rate, the litany of bad qualities that men and women who experience this dynamic are supposed to have...does not fit me or the man in my life.  If I couldn't take a joke, about myself or any other subject, Aidan and I wouldn't have lasted the first thirty minutes.  And there is nothing about that deeper dimension of submission he occasionally feels that makes it impossible for us to kick around on the couch eating popcorn and watching horror movies on Halloween, or pitch in together to whip up a big pot of vegetarian spaghetti sauce on our day off.

He is certainly not a "weekend warrior" submissive or someone who is going to cut and run the minute I show "feet of clay"--I've got clay up to my garters and he hasn't budged an inch.  Nor does the Goddess element of the relationship drive a wedge between us, or hold me at arm's length; not every man wants to worship the Goddess from afar.  Some of them much prefer to be nearer-my-God-to-Thee. 

Anyway.  I really wish that people would not cobble up Boogeymen and peddle these negative male submissive stereotypes as the only possible reality, just because they've had a bad boyfriend or two.  We get that you've been burned, ladies, but you don't need to descend like harpies on every thread that reminds you of your ex. 

No one "desperately needs your approval" because they come here looking to discuss ideas or experiences with like-minded folk.  I really thought that the personal attacks in this thread were both uncalled for and unbecoming.  No one said or did anything to justify them, and the fact that you have issues from a past relationship is not a license to be a horrid bitch. 

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 12:15:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you jump to a lot of unfounded conclusions about your fellow posters, ShaktiSama, but you are, of course, welcome to share your opinion, as are we all.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:02:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		And as for not being able to crack jokes about deities, sexual or otherwise...Yeeeah, if that was true,
 
I said crack jokes with, not about deities, Aidan.  Crucial difference.  I'm assuming you can't do the former with deities. 

I've said elsewhere that sometimes, with a partner (and a vanilla one at that) I've seen her naked on the bed and breathed the words "goddess" and what follows is an act of worship.  But I wouldn't have wanted her to hear such words or know what's going through me.  I'd still want her to be a real-life woman afterwards, warts and all (well, preferably minus the warts, but you know what I mean). 

OK, so a domme, unlike a vanilla, might be able to hear that from me and put up with it or even relish it, depending on how she's put together and the nature of the relationship between us.  But the more important point for me is that in the past, it hasn't actually had much to do with her.  It's been more about what I've been doing for myself - getting onto that certain, submissive-and-adoring, level. 

Temporarily, though.  Sooner or later she's going to fart, let's face it. 



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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:14:00 PM   
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Sooner or later she's going to fart, let's face it. 



Sacrilege!  Next thing you know, you'll be suggesting that we defecate.

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:15:53 PM   
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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:17:39 PM   
PeonForHer


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Status: offline 		Sacrilege!  Next thing you know, you'll be suggesting that we defecate.
 
No, I'll be suggesting you take a dump, V. 

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:24:52 PM   
LadyHibiscus


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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

I think you jump to a lot of unfounded conclusions about your fellow posters, ShaktiSama, but you are, of course, welcome to share your opinion, as are we all.


Agreed.  I don't think I've been a horrid bitch, nor have I said that those who enjoy this kind of dynamic are wrong.  

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:32:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
I think you jump to a lot of unfounded conclusions about your fellow posters, ShaktiSama, but you are, of course, welcome to share your opinion, as are we all.


Really?  Because it seems to me that you were the one who had to make a point of insulting people personally in this thread, based on some stereotype you hold about what they must be like and what their partners must be like.  In fact, you were so determined to insult people personally that you had to sally forth three different times to be a cow.

There's a difference between stating an opinion and taking out your issues on other people.  Not everyone who likes something that you don't is your inferior. 

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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:33:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsStarlett

If I want to keep a sub's mind focused, I just make him wear a red ribbon tied around his cock & balls all day. 

Or have them inking stars on it. 

How's that star on your dick, *you know who you are*?  Won't scrub off to easy, will it?  *giggle*  I wouldn't be using any public urinals for a couple of days if I were you.



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RE: Mental focus and worship - 11/9/2008 1:37:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

And as for not being able to crack jokes about deities, sexual or otherwise...Yeeeah, if that was true,
 
I said crack jokes with, not about deities, Aidan.  Crucial difference.  I'm assuming you can't do the former with deities. 


Whatever. With, about, irreverence is irreverence and I'd have no problem doing my Jesus At The Hotel joke to the man himself if we ever met. Fuck'm if they can't take a joke.

I consider Mistress sacred and holy...and I'll still tease and rib her.

I've said elsewhere that sometimes, with a partner (and a vanilla one at that) I've seen her naked on the bed and breathed the words "goddess" and what follows is an act of worship.  But I wouldn't have wanted her to hear such words or know what's going through me.  I'd still want her to be a real-life woman afterwards, warts and all (well, preferably minus the warts, but you know what I mean). 

OK, so a domme, unlike a vanilla, might be able to hear that from me and put up with it or even relish it, depending on how she's put together and the nature of the relationship between us.  But the more important point for me is that in the past, it hasn't actually had much to do with her.  It's been more about what I've been doing for myself - getting onto that certain, submissive-and-adoring, level. 

Temporarily, though.  Sooner or later she's going to fart, let's face it. 


It's a shame you didn't feel you could share that moment, Peon. My heart goes out to you, dude.

P.S. I totally make jokes about Mistress farting.


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