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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/7/2008 9:02:47 PM

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/7/2008 9:06:00 PM

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I am just thinking about all the criticism that Bush got during both terms. Obama is getting a free pass at the moment (more so than Bush got in his first term. But Obama never led anything.) But Obama isn't going to get a free pass this time. When people say they are sick of politics, they have been saying that for 8 years of Bush, Well, Obama isn't getting a pass.

When it becomes time for the American people to need "someone to blame" instead of a "hero", I'm sure there will be more than enough criticism to go around.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/7/2008 11:21:32 PM

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When it becomes time for the American people to need "someone to blame" instead of a "hero", maybe America shouldn't be a nuclear super power anymore.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/7/2008 11:33:51 PM

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No wonder the topics of Religion and Politics are off limits in many places.

Including at the election polls. Disillusionment with the democratic process is as much a matter of unreasonable positions as it is with the politicians themselves. Therein lies the great flaw with democracy: every idiot and his dog has his voice heard without even beginning to apply his reason.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 2:11:47 AM

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I am just thinking about all the criticism that Bush got during both terms. Obama is getting a free pass at the moment (more so than Bush got in his first term. But Obama never led anything.) But Obama isn't going to get a free pass this time. When people say they are sick of politics, they have been saying that for 8 years of Bush, Well, Obama isn't getting a pass.

for the life of me i fail to see the point of this...

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 12:52:56 PM

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Aww, Rich! You spoiled my fun!

But people here are right. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.

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I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a hint of satire...

LOL, Sanity.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 1:36:47 PM

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Aww, Rich! You spoiled my fun!

But people here are right. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.

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I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a hint of satire...

LOL, Sanity.

So you aren't going to wait for an exhibition of cluelessness first.

It wasn't just "liberals" critiquing Bush (his popularity was far below 50% towards the end). I knew Republicans that voted for his first term, and by the second term were "Anyone But Bush.) Due to a 4 letter word called Iraq.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 1:39:11 PM

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you are all so entranced by him.

wanna bet?

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 2:13:53 PM

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Aww, Rich! You spoiled my fun!

But people here are right. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.

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I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a hint of satire...

LOL, Sanity.

I seriously wonder where you guys were during the Clinton administration. Wasn't it Rush with the "America Under Siege" count day-by-day? The NYTimes (oh so liberal) flogging Whitewater for 7 years, and every other "-gate" that came along (and came to nothing)? Fox News (headed up by Roger Ailes, prior chair of the RNC) ranting and raving? Chelsea Clinton being called the "dog of the White House"?

Let us not forget the transition to the Bush administration, with the pledge that times would be more civil, and the very first thing out of the White House was the claim that there was massive vandalism to the White House and other government offices (even hinting that excrement was left on desks)? The only thing done was taking the Ws off the keyboards (juvenile but hardly massive vandalism).

Jesus, guys, at least wait till he's inaugurated before speculating on his nefarious deeds.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 2:14:38 PM

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Part of the reason for his low approval ratings is that Bush was constantly slimed for every move that he made. Slimed for reading to children. Slimed for giving us tax cuts.

You mentioned Iraq (which Clinton made the overthrow of Hussein a priority). Bush followed through on Clinton's plans and Liberated millions and millions of Iraqis with Congress' approval, and the Left labeled President Bush a war criminal for that.

So now you think that the Right should lick Obama's feet, and praise his every move?

No, I don't see that happening.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 2:23:43 PM

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slimed for reading to children? with an upside down book? ok, I grant you that coulda been photoshopped, I didnt pay that much attention..

but seriously.. the dude (even with staffers at hand to correct him) CAN NOT PRONOUNCE NUCLEAR!!!!

ffs... gimme a reason to think he's somewhat above the level of moron!

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 2:24:07 PM

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Impeach Biden...getting Way Ahead of the Curve ;)

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 2:58:28 PM

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Until Barack gets us into two wars that we can't get out of, have the stock market crash, screw up Katrina relief...etc, ZIP IT!

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 3:15:16 PM

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Part of the reason for his low approval ratings is that Bush was constantly slimed for every move that he made. Slimed for reading to children. Slimed for giving us tax cuts.

You mentioned Iraq (which Clinton made the overthrow of Hussein a priority). Bush followed through on Clinton's plans and Liberated millions and millions of Iraqis with Congress' approval, and the Left labeled President Bush a war criminal for that.

So now you think that the Right should lick Obama's feet, and praise his every move?

No, I don't see that happening.

Clinton's plan had nothing to do with Bush's agenda in Iraq. His entire agenda on Iraq was to simply finish what his daddy had started 10 years earlier. Face the truth...he LIED to us. There were no weapons of mass destruction, no "nuke-ular" processing plants. Both Bush's wanted to take Saddam down because he dissed the US after we had sold him weapons, provided training and indirect support in his wars with Iran. But his power went to his head and he basically told us to piss off.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 3:25:16 PM

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Clinton's plan had nothing to do with Bush's agenda in Iraq. His entire agenda on Iraq was to simply finish what his daddy had started 10 years earlier. Face the truth...he LIED to us. There were no weapons of mass destruction, no "nuke-ular" processing plants. Both Bush's wanted to take Saddam down because he dissed the US after we had sold him weapons, provided training and indirect support in his wars with Iran. But his power went to his head and he basically told us to piss off.

That simply is not true. There were weapons, some of them were found and cleaned up and the heavy stuff went on trailers into Syria. You might not keep up with the news of the WMDs found by the military, but some of us do.

Also to point out that all our intelligence said they were there and other intelligence agencies agreed as well. The only point you could possibly try to make is that he was wrong. But with other countries and even the UN stating that Saddam had not complied with the requirement to disarm, you would have a hard time making that argument stick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 3:59:33 PM

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Clinton's plan had nothing to do with Bush's agenda in Iraq. His entire agenda on Iraq was to simply finish what his daddy had started 10 years earlier. Face the truth...he LIED to us. There were no weapons of mass destruction, no "nuke-ular" processing plants. Both Bush's wanted to take Saddam down because he dissed the US after we had sold him weapons, provided training and indirect support in his wars with Iran. But his power went to his head and he basically told us to piss off.

That simply is not true. There were weapons, some of them were found and cleaned up and the heavy stuff went on trailers into Syria. You might not keep up with the news of the WMDs found by the military, but some of us do.

Also to point out that all our intelligence said they were there and other intelligence agencies agreed as well. The only point you could possibly try to make is that he was wrong. But with other countries and even the UN stating that Saddam had not complied with the requirement to disarm, you would have a hard time making that argument stick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Then please do share with us your news of the wmd's found, because last I heard even Bush admitted, on several occasions, that none were found.

I would be especially interested to hear your proof that anything was shipped to Syria since that rumor seems to have been discredited long ago.

As far as all of our intelligence and other country's intelligence pointing to wmd's you apparently haven't been keeping up as well as you thought. Remember the Downing Street memos? Remember the numerous reports that intelligence was cherry-picked to support the case for war? Remember the further reports that Cheney and his staff pressured intelligence agency staffers into leaving out information in reports that contradicted the administration's position?

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 4:11:44 PM

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The intent wasn't to hijack the thread, the intent was only to point out a few examples of the constant sliming that President Bush faced through his entire presidency, from the initial "he stole the election" lies on through the "he's hiding" claims thrown at him in the days just prior to the recent election.

Now, the idea that Barack followers think that Barack deserves special treatment (after all the sliming that Bush faced) is humorous, at best.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 4:18:00 PM

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or he's chocking on a pretzel, oh that actually happened.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 5:16:46 PM

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Thanks for the backup...

You know what I'm talking about.

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RE: Obama is not immune. - 11/8/2008 5:17:32 PM

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The intent wasn't to hijack the thread, the intent was only to point out a few examples of the constant sliming that President Bush faced through his entire presidency, from the initial "he stole the election" lies on through the "he's hiding" claims thrown at him in the days just prior to the recent election.

Now, the idea that Barack followers think that Barack deserves special treatment (after all the sliming that Bush faced) is humorous, at best.

So if Bush had won the popular vote and a Supreme Court with a liberal majority had decided to stop a state recount which gave Gore the Presidency you would have been perfectly fine with that, right? Or would we be hearing to this day that liberal activist judges should not interfere in states' rights issues?

There was absolutely no reason the recount shouldn't have proceeded to satisfy any doubts. Bush played politics to ensure his win and he was criticized for it. That's not "sliming".

"Sliming" to my mind is what the country endured from a Republican attack machine that wasted time and tax dollars trying to dig up any issue that would discredit Clinton. Somehow spending $80+ million of our tax money to investigate the guy because he cheated on his wife didn't strike me as an issue of national importance.

That whole farce set the tenor for what you perceive as unwarranted attacks on Bush. At least he was attacked on legitimate issues and not on a witch hunt into his personal life.

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