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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 11:53:26 AM   
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A perspective from across the pond:

It didn't seem to me (nor to others here with whom I spoke) that this was a US election based on aspects of race; rather it seemed a contest between an older man with conventional politics and a younger man with a charismatic personality and a feeling of new hope.

And like others I felt rather emotional when Obama won, but not for any feeling of race whatsoever; one has become so used to seeing a variety of different races and mixed races everywhere in the modern world that, for most of us (I'd better say for many of us), over here colour is completely immaterial. I'm unclear but I suspect my moist eyes were for youth and hope.

But I appreciate that I say that as a Brit or a European, not well versed in American perceptions. It does seem to me that race remains a very much more significant worry for you guys, where we seem to have a different, and perhaps easier, take this side of the Atlantic.




I'm happy you could share in some of our elation, there across the pond. I want to state this clearly, of course this election was not about race, but when some deny it does signify something enormous in the history of our country, I just shake my head.

I think our country will never get past issues of race until the matter is discussed openly and honestly.

I asked a Indian friend of mine, who lives in London, if he could see someone of his ancestry or African, becoming Prime Minister of England.

He did not skip a beat before replying.

Never. Absolutely not, it will never ever happen.

I'm grateful, proud and happy to be an American. America, to me, is like my dysfunctional family. I love them dearly but we argue, fight and make up. The love never leaves but we have a long way to go before we resolve all the problems.



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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 11:57:09 AM   
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And a lot of work to do.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 11:58:50 AM   
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<grins> I have now - thanks.

<grin turns to a resigned scowl> But it saddens me.

My dinner partner at a corporate do last night was a cute Indian girl (shame she's not on CM - she was hugely sexy); she's a Magic Circle firm lawyer; her boyfriend sitting beside her is a senior finance man for a global company and is also Indian; we talked about all sorts of stuff and it's only now that I register clearly that they were Indian - last night she was just sexy and he was just her rather nice boyfriend. I've never really counted but I'd guess about a quarter to a third of the people I deal with are in one way or another coloured or mixed race. I'd guess, but I've never really counted, that about a quarter to a third of the people I deal with like their coffeee with sugar.

My point is that - other than in the course of natural courtesy - I couldn't give a fuck whether they're coloured or how they like their coffee; it's simply not material to how they interact with me socially or professionally. And I see this lack of concern in all the people with whom I relate (hence my earlier "most people" comment).

So thanks for the pointer but you've saddened me to see that it's still an issue for many people. I need to get out more.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:00:47 PM   
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i am being real.  that is what i am trying to say here.  i see the hatred from both and it is not the minority.  i want an end put to it.  ignoring it will not make it go away.  it exist and i am calling people out on it!  it exist when the group believes the other group is not listening.  i have family and friends from both races obviously.  i have experienced discrimination in my life on both sides of the isle. 

the speaker at the show that made those statements did also say that "black people should not wear Obama shirts or through the win up in white people's faces, but when we are together we can rejoice because we know the truth."

i am afraid that if we do not address the problem it will breed into more than we bargained for. 

i believe the PE has a role in bringing everyone together.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:06:34 PM   
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i know there are many people just like you and i am so thankful for you!  you are blind to skin color or race and that is so wonderful! 

wish i could kiss you!!!
mwah!

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:09:02 PM   
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i polled many of my white friends that voted for PE Obama.  10 to 1 they said because he is black and they wanted a change.  the majority of them knew not much if anything about him or his platform and his plans for this country. but once i told them his plan for change was to raise taxes, they seemed worried.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:23:01 PM   
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i polled many of my white friends that voted for PE Obama.  10 to 1 they said because he is black and they wanted a change.  the majority of them knew not much if anything about him or his platform and his plans for this country. but once i told them his plan for change was to raise taxes, they seemed worried.


How many of your white friends did you poll and do they make more than 250,000 a year? Because if you make 200,000 - 250,000 a year, your taxes (according to Obama's plan) will not be raised, neither will they be lowered. If you make under 200,000, your taxes will be lowered.

Where do your white friends fit in this equation?

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:23:29 PM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:25:47 PM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:27:20 PM   
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then, IMO, you hang out with some pretty fucked up people... in fact, they appear to be the very types you've been railing against


That was my thought as well.

Every person that I know and have in my life celebrates diversity just as I celebrate having such diverse friends. I think of a possible world where everyone looks the same, believes the same and that makes me shudder.

I don't want to be assimilated dang it.


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:30:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		i did not say my poll was scientific.  i polled 30 to 40 friends.  all make less than $100,000. 

according to Obama's campaign his tax plan will be almost identical to Pres. Clinton's.  seems i remember Pres. Clinton campaigning on lowering taxes etc etc.  i voted for him, but once he took office he found that lowering taxes was not an option.  instead he asked us to bite the bullet and work with him to lower the deficit.  the middle class took a huge hit because he found that the middle class is where the money is!  ouch and it hurt!

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:32:48 PM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:41:34 PM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:46:43 PM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:49:18 PM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 12:50:29 PM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 1:15:04 PM   
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i did not say my poll was scientific.  i polled 30 to 40 friends.  all make less than $100,000. 

according to Obama's campaign his tax plan will be almost identical to Pres. Clinton's.  seems i remember Pres. Clinton campaigning on lowering taxes etc etc.  i voted for him, but once he took office he found that lowering taxes was not an option.  instead he asked us to bite the bullet and work with him to lower the deficit.  the middle class took a huge hit because he found that the middle class is where the money is!  ouch and it hurt!


I gave you the numbers. according to what you've said, they would not get a raise in taxes under the plan Obama has put forth.

What does Clinton have to do with any of this? Last time I heard, Obama is the President elect. I think playing the what if game is not beneficial to your or your friends. Maybe it's best to deal with the facts that have been presented, until information to the contrary surfaces.

If he says this is his plan, what do you have to fear?


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 2:02:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I might my own very personal feelings concerning Tuesday night.I am a child of the 60's grew up watching the Civil rights movement,early memories of fire hoses and police dogs.Parents were of the "white flite" generation.Argued with my father concerning his use on the n****r word,complained he was doing harm to my baby sister who adored him(by this time in life my own opinion was my father was an asshole,so his opinions meant less than nothing to me)Fast forward 40 years,father long since dead ,my own son a junior at NYU and an Obama volunteer.Watched the election returns with my almost 70 year old mother,when CNN called it eyes started watering.Watched the crowd at Grant Park,the very much diverse crowd of supporters at Grant Park.Oprah crying on a mans shoulders ,a man we later found out she had never previously met,Jesse Jackson(not a big fan of Jesse,but what the hell he marched with Dr.King)crying his eyes out.And than Obama came out and made his acceptance speech and we were bawling,including my 70 y/o mother she of the white flite generation.And hope once more has come to America.
    Didn't vote for him because he is black(by the way BestBaby,that is his decision,it is called self identifying ,and you nor anyone else has the right to correct or criticize his decision).Voted for the best man for the job...and it was IMO he.But to deny that this is a big thing is to bury ones head in the sand.40 years after Memphis a segment of our nation has to a large degree just realised the promise that starts with "We hold these truths to be self evident".I have allways been proud to be American,I believe we as a nation have a rich and glorious history,but we also have dark and sinister blots on that history,Tuesday night in numbers that spoke volumes ,for whatever reasons each voter used America ,elected a black man to its highest office.For this we can all be proud whether black or white,Republican or Democrat a McCain voter or one who cast his vote for Obama.We all own this now ,he is our President ,we will all have the joy of watching his 2 daughters grow up in the White House.Your country has sent a black man to live in a house built in large part with slave labor.....Be proud of yourselves not because you elected a black man but rather because you elected the best man for the job...and he happened to be black.It is a glorious thing indeed
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 2:04:58 PM   
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i did not say my poll was scientific.  i polled 30 to 40 friends.  all make less than $100,000. 

according to Obama's campaign his tax plan will be almost identical to Pres. Clinton's.  seems i remember Pres. Clinton campaigning on lowering taxes etc etc.  i voted for him, but once he took office he found that lowering taxes was not an option.  instead he asked us to bite the bullet and work with him to lower the deficit.  the middle class took a huge hit because he found that the middle class is where the money is!  ouch and it hurt!


You need new, more reliable news sources. History books too.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 2:05:38 PM   
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