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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 9:45:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		PE Obama does refer to himself as a "mutt".  he did so in his first press conference this week. 

again, you have your view and i have mine.  i am 47 years old and i have experienced the acceptance and racism from both black and white people, so i speak from experience....sorry if that bothers you! again i will say, i am in the middle of this tug of war.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 9:51:47 AM   
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Observer,

Thank you for posting this.

Your posted age tells me this happened in the 80s.
So sad that children were being raised this way then
and I am sure still are now.

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before you are six or seven or eight.
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Thank you, Outlier.

Yesterday morning a friend called me. She was livid about media reporting that asserted, the passing of Prop 8 was the fault of Black Californians. Supposedly this notion that has been touted as fact, since Tuesday, has some in the GLBT community angry and resorting to racial slander of all Black Americans.

I told my friend politely, that this moment is our time. We do have a right to let it sink in and feel happy. Sure, this is all an orchestrated lie to diminish the moment and begin the process of breaking apart the strong coalition of American citizens that Obama has created.

I know and many others know how the game is played. However, no one is going to rain on my parade. As I stated in another thread, allow the man to be sworn into office before trying to tear him and black America down.

Allow us this moment.

I have the real facts on Black Californians and Prop 8, but I won't get into that debate in this thread. It's just really sad to see some in the GLBT community resorted to racism and white supremacy when they do not get what they want. What a slap in the face to people like Sam Jackson who made commercials urging Californians to vote No on Prop 8.

Real sad.



i feel the bolded words above feeds racism!   when you use descriptive words like "Black America and White America" you automatically create division!  


This has been and is the reality since my birth to today. If you do not see that, then I do not know what to tell you. Funny how some folks like to have it both ways.

Let me point something out to you, that I found a little interesting.

One day I was watching some old footage of the Iran Hostage Crisis. I find it really interesting that over and over again, the hostages were referred to as ...

American men, Women ... then blacks.

I could not get over that. The hostage crisis took place between 1979 - 1981. How long ago was that?

Blacks were still considered as 'other' even to this day we are considered as other. I find it curious that in cases of crime against black women and um's the empathy is far and few in between. I find it interesting that the prevalent thinking in this country for blacks are guilty till proven innocent. I find it interesting that it's black this and black that ... like the current Prop 8 scandal, yet we do not have a right to call ourselves Black Americans?

Black History month is also an issue but everyday is white history day, and then in my hometown of Chicago, on St. Patrick's day is greeted with two large parades and the Chicago river being turned GREEN.

I guess everyone else has the right to celebrate who they are, where they come from and their heritage, but blacks ... naw, not so much.




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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 9:57:32 AM   
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PE Obama does refer to himself as a "mutt".  he did so in his first press conference this week. 

again, you have your view and i have mine.  i am 47 years old and i have experienced the acceptance and racism from both black and white people, so i speak from experience....sorry if that bothers you! again i will say, i am in the middle of this tug of war.


If he did, then that is ignorant and I don't care if it's you or Obama, referring to oneself as a mutt is absolutely asinine.

In any case, I'll digress ...

I know you obviously have your world view and I am aware that their is intraracism amongst black people. I've experienced it as well. My family could be considered multi-cultural but many times from people in my own neighborhood, schools and family have told me I was too dark and so on.

However, as much as I do not like the fact that some blacks have this type of self-hatred and poisonous thinking it does not negate the pride I have for myself and my people. If I was of first generation Irish, German or Italian descent, I'd feel the same way and why should I not.

The point I'm saying is that everyone else having pride of their heritage (in this country) is greeted with enthusiasm and encouragement, yet for Blacks, the orphan children of Africa, their seems to be an issue.

Why the double standard?

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 9:59:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am mixed race!  this country within the next few decades will become more and more like me, not black, white, hispanic, irish, jew and or native american.

so all of the celebrations and holidays that you mention will barely exist.  all you describe and speak of keeps things seperate.  it is time to become one nation under god.  not black america, white america etc!  we are americans in america.  the sooner that is true the sooner racism will die!  

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:00:05 AM   
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Read post #19.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:12:38 AM   
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Just like you comment about not all sharing in liberal beliefs? Well we don't all share in the "one nation under god" crap either. Especially since that was never in the original. Did you know that?
By the way, owning a gun is protected in the constitution. Quit letting fox news and the drudge report scare you baby. No one is taking away our firearms. Well, unless you are a convicted felon.


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i am mixed race!  this country within the next few decades will become more and more like me, not black, white, hispanic, irish, jew and or native american.

so all of the celebrations and holidays that you mention will barely exist.  all you describe and speak of keeps things seperate.  it is time to become one nation under god.  not black america, white america etc!  we are americans in america.  the sooner that is true the sooner racism will die!  
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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:17:09 AM   
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observer,

Read post #19.


I stand corrected and Baby pointed that out to me, I missed the press conference, but that is absolutely asinine. I don't care who it comes from.


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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:23:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		what obamas victory means to me: thank god there is a democrat in the white house

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:25:27 AM   
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i never said our firearms will be taken away.  but the ability to afford the firearm or the ammo will be taken away.  just look up the prices of ammo these days.  i did not watch fox or read drudge to get that information. 





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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:25:56 AM   
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absolutely asinine


Why?



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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:30:10 AM   
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i do not accept the "seperate but equal" either! 

if we do not become "one nation" under God or some higher being it depends on your religion we can be conquered.  strength comes in numbers and if i have to fight to defend my country i rather fight on the side of the majority.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:31:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Um so unless we become all one color and one religion we will be conquered?

That is so weird.


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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:33:20 AM   
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if we do not become "one nation" under God or some higher being it depends on your religion we can be conquered. 


...so you oppose any separation of church and state? i'd argue that a nation, any nation, can come together in a national emergency in the name of that nation. God is not required.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:33:21 AM   
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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:35:08 AM   
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And I'll fight on the side of the minority if I think the majority is wrong.


....damn well said GT. i'm not gay, no-one argue that those who are gay are a majority. However i'll take to the streets (and have in the past) to agitate for their rights.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:35:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		God no!  we are a nation of many colors and religions.  but we must forget our differences that seperate us.  the racism has got to go!  i live in the middle and i see it!  we must come together and become strong as one. 

the PE is not what i saw the other day on a t-shirt.  "i am black and Obama is MY President"

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:35:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Other than the actual image of him and the family in the white house? Not much. Kennedy and Lincoln represented change as well and like Malcolm said, "the problem is still here". It's a brown face playing the game of white politics. Yeah, we can have that warm fuzzy feeling and thinking we've overcome something, but its an illusion that a lot of people and blacks in particular, bought into. I certainly don't beleive that being the leader of the biggest terrorist organization in modern times is the first step. It's still nice to see a brother in charge.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:37:13 AM   
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Other than the actual image of him and the family in the white house? Not much. Kennedy and Lincoln represented change as well and like Malcolm said, "the problem is still here". It's a brown face playing the game of white politics. Yeah, we can have that warm fuzzy feeling and thinking we've overcome something, but its an illusion that a lot of people and blacks in particular, bought into. I certainly don't beleive that being the leader of the biggest terrorist organization in modern times is the first step. It's still nice to see a brother in charge.


...baby steps.....at least they're moving in the right direction.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:37:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		what Obama's victory means to me? besides it being a defining moment in Black history, it (hopefully) will give us as a race to put petty differences aside and work together as one. i've never expected something like this ever happening within my parents' lifetime ...let alone my own. for my girls, it shows that they can achieve anything.

however there's a negative side to this victory as well. a guy staying in line at the grocery store said he was happy Barack won because it meant more money for his public aid and food stamps. he was glad the white crackers (his exact words) were not in charge ...we (meaning Blacks) were running the country now. somehow and somewhere, this guy and many others like him missed the message within Obama's speech. it's this type of mentality which can blacken momentous event in history.

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RE: What Obama's Victory Means To Me - 11/9/2008 10:38:02 AM   
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the ability to afford the firearm or the ammo will be taken away.  just look up the prices of ammo these days


This is fueled by the unjustified paranoia created by the gun lobby.

Gee, anybody think they have an economic reason for creating such misplaced hysteria? That just maybe this is a few corporations fleecing the sheep via fear-mongering?

Naw---would American corporations do that???????

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