Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Mistress >> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/11/2008 7:56:05 AM   
zakkan


Posts: 606
Joined: 4/15/2008
Status: offline
How do you know the honeytrap method will work?

I always wondered why men will fall for it...


_____________________________

Silence! I keel you!

(in reply to UmbraDomina)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/11/2008 8:48:23 AM   
UmbraDomina


Posts: 491
Joined: 7/22/2008
From: SE Michigan
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: zakkan

How do you know the honeytrap method will work?

I always wondered why men will fall for it...



You never know, it might not.... it always has for me though...... it's amazing if a man thinks he might get a blowjob out of it, what they will be willing to do...lol

I offered it as a way of creating the scene that was desired by LH, without the risk of physical "take down" kidnap/interagation" .


_____________________________

Alexandra ~

~~ And I will show you something different from either your shadow at morning striding behind you Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust..... T.S. Elliot ~~

(in reply to zakkan)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/11/2008 10:59:09 AM   
Dnomyar


Posts: 7933
Joined: 6/27/2005
Status: offline
The honeytrap ideal is the only one that will safely work. Using a taser on someone is way to dangerous. Heart attacks happen that way. Pulling any type of weapon on me could get you killed. Survival instincts take over and things happen to fast. Talk the game over with the person before you do anything.

(in reply to UmbraDomina)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/11/2008 1:05:41 PM   
UmbraDomina


Posts: 491
Joined: 7/22/2008
From: SE Michigan
Status: offline
I would certanly be against useing any type of drug, or any type of real weapon including a taser. Things can always go wrong, thats why they are called accidents. If you have ever been hit with a taser ( I have been during a training exersise) you would know.... A) they hurt like a mac truck hitting you   B) they incapatate you to a drooling idiot  C) they can couse burns, heart issues and even death.
Drugs for the many reasons listed and not listed are a very very bad idea.

_____________________________

Alexandra ~

~~ And I will show you something different from either your shadow at morning striding behind you Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust..... T.S. Elliot ~~

(in reply to Dnomyar)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/13/2008 7:23:24 AM   
Dnomyar


Posts: 7933
Joined: 6/27/2005
Status: offline
I see that UD is trying to use her legs as an enticement.

(in reply to UmbraDomina)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/13/2008 8:06:29 AM   
zakkan


Posts: 606
Joined: 4/15/2008
Status: offline
And its working pretty well too.

_____________________________

Silence! I keel you!

(in reply to Dnomyar)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/13/2008 8:07:31 AM   
UmbraDomina


Posts: 491
Joined: 7/22/2008
From: SE Michigan
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

I see that UD is trying to use her legs as an enticement.


*winx at Ray* it's all about useing the right "bait".

_____________________________

Alexandra ~

~~ And I will show you something different from either your shadow at morning striding behind you Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust..... T.S. Elliot ~~

(in reply to Dnomyar)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/13/2008 9:00:00 AM   
Dnomyar


Posts: 7933
Joined: 6/27/2005
Status: offline
When I quit stareing at your legs I will answer you.

(in reply to UmbraDomina)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/13/2008 11:43:05 AM   
CallaFirestormBW


Posts: 3651
Joined: 6/29/2008
Status: offline
One of the groups I was involved with for a while put together a special-interest-group (SIG) for kidnapping play. They had waivers and such, and a long page explaining how, basically, some night a truck full of "strange" men would come and steal the interested s/b/s/s out of hir home/bed, bind hir, and take hir to an unspecified location, and treat hir accordingly. We actually had some folks sign up, and it was actually pretty popular for a while -- popular enough that they actually ran 2 raids.

During the 2nd raid, folks got a little loud and one of the neighbors apparently called the cops with a description of the vehicle and a partial license plate. It took 3 days, a lawyer, and a sworn statement from all the participants, who swore it was part of a movie script that one of them was writing that they'd decided to 'rehearse' to get it down right... Fortunately, the cops stopped the scene before the more active part -- if they'd walked in on the 'fake' rape scene, they might very well all have ended up in jail.

With it only being the 2nd raid, the risk was determined by the group to be -way- too high... if something went wrong on even 30% of the raids (and right now, they were running a 50% screw-up rate... and after years of doing different stuff, we've had -little- things go wrong on well over half our scenes, and big things go wrong at least 1 in 10 with a -low to moderate- risk threshold... this had an extreme risk threshold and was already doing a crap job on the statistical end), it was virtually guaranteed that someone (probably more than one someone) was really liable to end up in jail over it, and that seemed beyond the pale for group-acceptable risk (individuals can accept whatever risks they want, but something affliated with a group must necessarily be more cautious, or risk the entire group in the process).

Our household decided that we'd stick to our private, very fake in-house, roleplayed attempts. After that, we were glad we did, despite the fact that it is pretty darned fascinating to contemplate. To be fair, though, if you're in the right mindset, even the faked, roleplayed stuff can get really heavy, provided that you can get your mind into the right space to accept what is happening at face value... oh, and we -did- have better success if there wasn't a lot of prep/warning involved right before the activity started.

< Message edited by CallaFirestormBW -- 11/13/2008 11:49:12 AM >


_____________________________

***
Said to me recently: "Look, I know you're the "voice of reason"... but dammit, I LIKE being unreasonable!!!!"

"Your mind is more interested in the challenge of becoming than the challenge of doing." Jon Benson, Bodybuilder/Trainer

(in reply to MistressFaye1)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/13/2008 11:49:08 AM   
LadyConstanze


Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline
I guess it really depends on how much time you have and all that, because sleep deprivation can make things real, or you could possibly lock somebody up in a dark room, switch the light on randomly and tell him after 3 hours he's been in 8 hours or after he fell asleep, wake him up tell him he slept so and so many hours... Give him a completely wrong concept of time (can be done) and then make him bargain for his freedom and getting to work in time

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to CallaFirestormBW)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief - 11/13/2008 11:52:12 AM   
ShaktiSama


Posts: 1674
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline
I am fairly strong and have done a number of different scene types, including a few that involved physically overpowering someone.  The experience of real life law enforcement officers, however, states that there is a reason that victims of kidnapping and rape tend to be small women or children.  Overpowering your intended victim is a serious problem, unless you have a squad of fairly vicious trained personnel at your command.  That's why "five foot two, eyes of blue" is the joke description of the ideal kidnapping victim.  Predators look for someone they can easily overpower and easily drag or carry.  Who wants to throw their back out dumping the body? 

All this being said...yes, there are ways to get around this to simulate a kidnapping.  But all parties have to understand and agree beforehand, at some level, that there is going to be a simulated kidnapping.  A few surprises can be worked into this, but the "victim" has to accept that he is not going to pull out all the stops to escape or harm his "attacker"; this will be roleplay, and he has to play his role.

How much everyone is able to enjoy it depends on how well everyone can play their parts. It can be great fun and very pleasurable to do an "interrogation" on someone who loves to be bound and tormented and terrified.  Yes, of course he knows it's only me...but in that uniform, with the nasty little accent, the smile of wicked feline malice on my face, and the cattle prod in my hand--?  It's not the "me" he had lunch with last week. 

_____________________________

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
-- Robert A. Heinlein

(in reply to CallaFirestormBW)
Profile   Post #: 31
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Mistress >> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.078