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A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 1:49:13 PM   
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Alright... so I've done some thread searches, I've been talking to a few folks (Dom/sub/switch) and doing some other 'research' to decide exactly how to proceed in my journey into this lifestyle.

It seems many of the experienced people on the forum recommend playing in public as a good introduction, before zipping off with some Daddy Dom only to re-emerge 2 yrs later broken and pleading for a second chance. :P (i keed i keed...

One of the dungeons in my area has weekly educational sessions for n00bs like myself- they are both an introduction to the dungeon itself, to safe/sane play, and involve a Q&A with some of the Masters/Dommes at the dungeon, as well as an overview of the local community and a chance to sign up as a member. I think this would be a really good way to dip my toes in and get a good idea of how to proceed; any thoughts?

(I'm also thinking this is a good way to find exactly what I'm looking for- play opportunities and like-minded folk without the online-nuttiness. So many people here seem to be into the D/s aspect of the acronym... I much prefer the BD SM parts.)

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 1:59:01 PM   
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I think it sounds pretty excellent and a good way to meet real people, though don't expect too much from it...

I guess I'm on the the same page as you, SM are my fave letters out of the acronym

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:06:16 PM   
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Why not?........... Like anything else, give it a go and if you like it and it suits you , you'll have fun. If you don't, you can stop going.  It's as good a way as any to explore.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:13:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: StrtbkNamdDesire

Alright... so I've done some thread searches, I've been talking to a few folks (Dom/sub/switch) and doing some other 'research' to decide exactly how to proceed in my journey into this lifestyle.

It seems many of the experienced people on the forum recommend playing in public as a good introduction, before zipping off with some Daddy Dom only to re-emerge 2 yrs later broken and pleading for a second chance. :P (i keed i keed...

One of the dungeons in my area has weekly educational sessions for n00bs like myself- they are both an introduction to the dungeon itself, to safe/sane play, and involve a Q&A with some of the Masters/Dommes at the dungeon, as well as an overview of the local community and a chance to sign up as a member. I think this would be a really good way to dip my toes in and get a good idea of how to proceed; any thoughts?

(I'm also thinking this is a good way to find exactly what I'm looking for- play opportunities and like-minded folk without the online-nuttiness. So many people here seem to be into the D/s aspect of the acronym... I much prefer the BD SM parts.)


sounds like a good idea to me :)

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:14:15 PM   
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Awesome, thank you. Yeah, I'm certainly not expecting catharsis or a vision or anything; but a good introduction to the community, equipment, protocol, and the dungeon itself might be a good 'initiation.' (lol) I like institutions (I don't mean the mental sort- no experience there, than god- I'm referring to established rules/regulations/safety within a certain area), and I'd feel more comfortable being exposed to a wider range of things in a sanctioned environment than in private with someone whom I was rather unfamiliar.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:17:09 PM   
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I didnt like that idea when i was new. However, that is the most responsible way to do things. Plus with the advent of the internet people just think that all that makes them a Dom is the gear without any education on safety or how to use it. At a dungeon you can make sure people know what they are doing ahead of time. I have had more than one person that didnt know what they were doing or take the necessary precautions. lessons learned the hard way.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:25:10 PM   
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I didnt like that idea when i was new. However, that is the most responsible way to do things. Plus with the advent of the internet people just think that all that makes them a Dom is the gear without any education on safety or how to use it. At a dungeon you can make sure people know what they are doing ahead of time. I have had more than one person that didnt know what they were doing or take the necessary precautions. lessons learned the hard way.


Pre-zacktly my thoughts. Thank you. (Does anyone else find it ironic that a dungeon is considered 'sterile' and 'safe'? :P)

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:35:12 PM   
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I didnt like that idea when i was new. However, that is the most responsible way to do things. Plus with the advent of the internet people just think that all that makes them a Dom is the gear without any education on safety or how to use it. At a dungeon you can make sure people know what they are doing ahead of time. I have had more than one person that didnt know what they were doing or take the necessary precautions. lessons learned the hard way.


Pre-zacktly my thoughts. Thank you. (Does anyone else find it ironic that a dungeon is considered 'sterile' and 'safe'? :P)


i wish I had found these forums before i proceeded. Instead I was twisting in the wind on AFF and ALT. blech

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:37:38 PM   
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I'd say that sounds like about the opposite of the right direction, in my opinion.  But that's the beauty of it - it's up to YOU to figure out what you want.

One thing though - you should probably reply to your PMs.  I messaged you on your first day here and you haven't even read it yet.  :p


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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:38:05 PM   
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Why not?........... Like anything else, give it a go and if you like it and it suits you , you'll have fun. If you don't, you can stop going.  It's as good a way as any to explore.

agirl

Ditto, I can't see a downside here.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:40:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NormalOutside

I'd say that sounds like about the opposite of the right direction, in my opinion.  But that's the beauty of it - it's up to YOU to figure out what you want.

One thing though - you should probably reply to your PMs.  I messaged you on your first day here and you haven't even read it yet.  :p



Yoou talking to me? I have been here well over a year and always answer my cmail. but not IM.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:41:11 PM   
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Does anyone else find it ironic that a dungeon is considered 'sterile' and 'safe'? :P

Oh, I've never heard that about dungeons.  I've definitely heard the opposite though.
As for the idea in this thread that dungeons are safer than houses because "at least at a dungeon you know the people are serious and properly trained", huh?  That's like saying it's safer to eat at a restaurant because at least at a restaurant the people have taken a Food Safe course.  But have you ever gotten sick from eating at home?  I haven't, but I've been sick from eating out 3 or 4 times now.  Just because someone is on the inside of "a dungeon" doesn't make them safe, experienced, educated, compatible, fun, attractive, or any of the other things you (probably) want in a partner.

EDIT: No, lusciouslips19, I was talking to the OP, sorry I didn't make that clear.


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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 2:42:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NormalOutside

I'd say that sounds like about the opposite of the right direction, in my opinion.  But that's the beauty of it - it's up to YOU to figure out what you want.

One thing though - you should probably reply to your PMs.  I messaged you on your first day here and you haven't even read it yet.  :p



Yoou talking to me? I have been here well over a year and always answer my cmail. but not IM.


Oh dear- if you're talking to me, a.) I don't see it, and b.) I'm very sorry! plz send again kthx? *bites nails for fear of forum retribution* I have a few mail controls on... after I filled out the rest of my profile it seems as though I don't need them anymore, lol.

And yes, you bring up a good point about dungeons... but to an INEXperienced sub... i was simply voicing what i perceived to be the general perspective regarding random willing play partners vs. an established dungeon. And I'm not eating their fugu. :)

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 3:02:24 PM   
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Oh, I've never heard that about dungeons.  I've definitely heard the opposite though.
As for the idea in this thread that dungeons are safer than houses because "at least at a dungeon you know the people are serious and properly trained", huh?  That's like saying it's safer to eat at a restaurant because at least at a restaurant the people have taken a Food Safe course.  But have you ever gotten sick from eating at home?  I haven't, but I've been sick from eating out 3 or 4 times now.  Just because someone is on the inside of "a dungeon" doesn't make them safe, experienced, educated, compatible, fun, attractive, or any of the other things you (probably) want in a partner.

EDIT: No, lusciouslips19, I was talking to the OP, sorry I didn't make that clear.


Yes, but at a dungeon you dont have to participate you can just watch and view the players. Plus you can find out about someones reputation. Plus if they are always showing up at workshops that shows a desire to do it right. The mere fact that they are at a dungeon means they are more serious about learning. If you have never been to a dungeon or participated in a workshop, you really dont know.

Do you know what an endangerment/caution site is ?

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 3:10:58 PM   
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About the only thing I can add here is that you might want to have an experienced friend (mentor?) to tag along with you.  At very least find another in-experienced person you can talk to about things.  Sometimes it's important to have a "safe call" lined up ("Call me in 2 hours to see if I'm safe!"), or just someone to watch your back.

Having said that, I think what you have found is an excellent way to introduce yourself to the lifestyle.  It's much safer than "experimenting" with someone you just met.  Depending on what you're into, safety can be very important, so having access to experienced people is very important.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 3:11:09 PM   
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My perspective comes from learning the hard way. I broke off with a dom because he was technically unfit. I was hit behind the knee in the crease. this is an endangerment site filled with blood vessels. It took 3 weeks for the bruises to go away. That is 2 weeks longer than any bruise should take to heal. I have also suffered swelling in my wrists from someone not listening. Had Doms whacking me aboout my hip bones and slapping at my kidneys. Safety is of the utmost importance to me. I am lucky that I know what these cautionary sites are. As a Massage therapist and educator i have learned and taught it. Some may not know as much as me and may not know the danger is hitting these areas until its too late.

I know I am on the safety soapbox again.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 3:49:44 PM   
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My perspective comes from learning the hard way. I broke off with a dom because he was technically unfit. I was hit behind the knee in the crease. this is an endangerment site filled with blood vessels. It took 3 weeks for the bruises to go away. That is 2 weeks longer than any bruise should take to heal. I have also suffered swelling in my wrists from someone not listening. Had Doms whacking me aboout my hip bones and slapping at my kidneys. Safety is of the utmost importance to me. I am lucky that I know what these cautionary sites are. As a Massage therapist and educator i have learned and taught it. Some may not know as much as me and may not know the danger is hitting these areas until its too late.

I know I am on the safety soapbox again.


Seriously, I don't think anybody can be on the safety soapbox for too long. As for 3 weeks until bruises fade, that does depend a bit on your body and how you heal, I barely bruise (I have broken bones in the past from heavy impact but was barely bruised) but sometimes I got bruises that lasted quite long, which certainly doesn't mean I endorse hitting around the knee area at all and if I see somebody hitting the kidney area, I just go nuts, anybody who just looked into it would know how easily kidneys are damaged. I recall at a play party where somebody hit the partner repeatedly in the kidney region, I politely said to him (and quietly, since I didn't want to embarrass him) that it's a bit dangerous and if he wishes I would be pleased to show him where to hit, he freaked out and yelled he's been doing it for 5 years, I could only reply with "High time that you learn, because her kidneys most likely won't take another 5 years of abuse - will you donate one of yours then?"

BDSM is certainly not rocket science and with common sense you can avoid a lot of mistakes, but common sense is everything but common. Playing in a public venue if you do not know your play partner is a very smart idea, there is safety in numbers (when more people are around and you yell stop....) and - as cruel as it sounds - if he or she don't have a good aim when playing with somebody else, well, do not go there...



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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 3:55:51 PM   
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I have posted this chart many times.

http://www.massagenerd.com/pictures/endangerment1.jpg


I started a thread on it and post it whenever safety is talked about. These are the endangerment sites. i have also done threads on different types of pain and what to watch out for. I am a massage therapist and Instructor so these sites apply to any palpation or hitting. i do agree that everyone bruises differently. My butt has become quite resistant. The politeal area(behind the knee) should never be bruised.




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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 4:07:28 PM   
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quote:

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I have posted this chart many times.

http://www.massagenerd.com/pictures/endangerment1.jpg


I started a thread on it and post it whenever safety is talked about. These are the endangerment sites. i have also done threads on different types of pain and what to watch out for. I am a massage therapist and Instructor so these sites apply to any palpation or hitting. i do agree that everyone bruises differently. My butt has become quite resistant. The politeal area(behind the knee) should never be bruised.





Anything around the knee is far too dangerous, kneecaps break easily (hitting from the front or the right angle from the sides), I come from a martial arts background and the first thing I learned is that the areas where you would hit a potential attacker in self-defence are usually "danger areas" in BDSM. If you really want to cause somebody pain behind the knee, a bit of deep heat and wax or ice play will suffice just fine.


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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 4:09:01 PM   
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My perspective comes from learning the hard way. I broke off with a dom because he was technically unfit. I was hit behind the knee in the crease. this is an endangerment site filled with blood vessels. It took 3 weeks for the bruises to go away. That is 2 weeks longer than any bruise should take to heal. I have also suffered swelling in my wrists from someone not listening. Had Doms whacking me aboout my hip bones and slapping at my kidneys. Safety is of the utmost importance to me. I am lucky that I know what these cautionary sites are. As a Massage therapist and educator i have learned and taught it. Some may not know as much as me and may not know the danger is hitting these areas until its too late.

I know I am on the safety soapbox again.


The safety soapbox is a pretty good place to be when introducing players, IMNSHO.

A few basics:

  • impact to joints equals injury. The sjambok as weapon is used directly at joint strikes.
  • impact to bones equals probable injury, or at least bone bruises—(not minor).
  • impact to fleshy parts (muscle especially) equals fun; and caning as a top should never be undertaken without instruction! Sensual Caning article
  • constriction at joints equals caution. Repetitive stress injuries, compressed major nerves. Limited blood flow is fairly safe play for up to a few hours (except to HEAD!!!) but research first.
  • common sense ain't! Don't toss your horse sense out with your control; negotiate first, and make sure to include communication option during a scene as well as beforehand.


The U.S. National Guard for one group, and riot-control police, etc., get trained in the places not to hit rioters because they can kill someone if hit there (neck, spine, kidneys, spleen, liver, gut, etc.)

Now, back to the OP's topic:
A commercial/public dungeon or just a local kinky community dungeon can be safer or not. Like everything else, it depends on the players. However, it is a great way to meet folks (also munches, of course), and, better, observe how they play. Before asking if you might play with them. Of course, it can also be overwhelming to the newcomer who has an interest in mild bondage or flogging or spanking, and gets an eyeful with a suspension scene in one corner, a fisting in another, urethral sounding in the medical chair, and major play piercings with two-player corset lacing in the blood-sports room. I know someone who was scared right out of the scene by such play at a private home. So it can be more than you expect, and less or more than you hope.

And the safety factor, as always, depends on the individual players.

Lady Delilah Deb
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