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NuevaVida -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/16/2008 9:50:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LordofAnarchy

Just make sure that while your dating other Masters or Doms that you tell them that their a re-bound replacement while you decide whether to go back to your old Master or Dom.That you were only seeing him because you were lonely and need constant attention


This sounds really bitter. I didn't even see anyone in this thread talking about seeing other people while working on rekindling. Maybe I missed something.




babygirlkitten -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/16/2008 11:05:41 PM)

When I first read this post, my first instict was to agree with those who said, "Move forward, not backwards." However, that's easier said when you're the one that has taken the brunt of someone else's mistakes. Your post makes it seems as if you were the one that made the deal breaking mistakes in the relationship. If you can own up to your mistakes and ask forgiveness, then you're on the right path. My advice would be to learn from your mistakes, and not repeat them, and hope that the person you're asking to forgive you can not only do so, but can also move on from that in such a way that a future is possible. 




SimplyMichael -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/17/2008 6:39:46 AM)

It all boils down to motivation.

If your real motivation is to get back to a relationship that was dysfunctional but you are lonely and so want to ignore the dysfunctionality then round two isn't going to be much better than round one.

If your real motivation is to admit your own failings but retain a realistic understanding that it takes TWO to screw up a relationship in almost all cases.  So if you are talking about your failings and all you are hearing is "wow, I am so proud of you for realizing that" and he isn't discussing his failings, then reread the line above.




natasha66 -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/17/2008 7:03:58 AM)

Just because i am able to forgive someone doesn't mean i'm willing to revisit the relationship....




DavanKael -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/17/2008 4:52:29 PM)

I don't offer forgiveness nor do I ask for it. 
That is likely to elicit lots of responses.  Okay.  Here are my thoughts: 
This does not mean that I am not willing to move forward if a person(s) and/or I 'bury the hatchet'and process including citing an understanding of what the issue(s) was/were, feelings that were involved, thoughts that were involved, behaviors that were involved, how repetition of a similar issue will be avoided/what will occur rather than the behavior resulting from or as a part of that issue in the future, etc. 
That isn't forgiveness: it's acceptance of personal responsibility.  That is necessary to healing, imo. 
Acceptance of personal responsibility is a must. 
And, as many have cited, I never forget. 
I rarely bring things up from the past out of nowhere or in a petty fashion, however if a mode of operating or a pattern of behavior comes to be exhibited, I will absolutely point that out and cite instances. 
I also hold myself to standards higher than those to which I hold any others. 
  Davan




xxblushesxx -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/17/2008 7:34:27 PM)

I think forgiveness is a necessity. And sometimes moving forward can be a positive thing. And sometimes it is just masochism. (not in the fun happy way.)
Since I find it difficult to be neutral in my answer, I would ask you to treat yourself, and to expect others to, treat you as you would want your best friend or sister treated.
The best to you, (((((((((Softness))))))))))))...




Lockit -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/17/2008 7:41:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LordofAnarchy

Just make sure that while your dating other Masters or Doms that you tell them that their a re-bound replacement while you decide whether to go back to your old Master or Dom.That you were only seeing him because you were lonely and need constant attention


Wow...  Which outfield did this come from?  I think you are reading between the lines from your own experience and while handing out advice... you might consider that your projections and assumptons might need to stay between the lines, because you really missed the mark on this one.  My projection and assumpton here would be that for a first post with such attitude, you just scared half the submissive's off.  Good job.




xxblushesxx -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/17/2008 8:05:40 PM)

My assumption would be that perhaps he has more invested in the OP's post than was obvious to the rest of us?




RCdc -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/18/2008 4:07:52 AM)

Maybe the person knows the OP.
And maybe the assumption might be that the poster is responding to the person linked to them, and not the OP?
Or maybe the person has had this happen to them in another relationship and is projecting?
But then, that is an awful lot of assuming and not much substance.

Why people can't just stick to the question instead of second guessing?
 
the.dark.




NuevaVida -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/18/2008 9:31:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Why people can't just stick to the question instead of second guessing?
 
the.dark.



It was a good and valuable OP, and the answers given were sincere and heartfelt. It's a thread about healing. I found the small spattering of crap that was inflicted on the thread to be a very negative dose of something not at all helpful to the subject; in fact, it was an example of the bitterness that can ensue when one does not heal. It appeared to serve to add nastiness rather than anything beneficial to the thread. I don't and won't speculate on why he wrote it or what his connection may or may not be to the OP, but as a reader, I didn't appreciate the spite it added.

But then I know it's a message board, yadda yadda yadda. And I know we're just giving it, rather than the OP, our diverted attention, so....




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/18/2008 9:49:24 AM)

I have had to deal with this and will give my view on it. Someone made a mistake to me that I with help was able to forgive it. I was able to forgive this mistake because after talking to others I realized my own expectations on trust for this person were very high and unreasonable to a point. I didn't give that person any room for error and it caused me hurt. I had to realize that people are human and make mistakes and sometimes we set unreal expectations for them.




Lockit -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/18/2008 12:14:18 PM)

I once had a very strange experience and to this day I can't explain it and don't even try.  It happened, it was very real and I was not insane and it didn't come from me and that is all I know. lol  I was going through a very difficult time in resigning from the shelter and I did so because I was being asked to commit fruad.  I had some real anger issues over this because the ladies were suffering in it all and I was very protective of them.  I had news reporters all over me wanting their story, I had people I had to report to and all that and it was just a mess, but one I could have gotten very bitter from because of the damage that was being done to so many.

I kept trying to figure out how to let it go and not become embittered.  I was also trying to figure out how to forgive or move past criminal activity that would be covered up simply because the system had to do it that way to function as it was.

In the Christmas movie of the scroge, the man was taken back or forward to look at things and that is about the best way I can explain what happened to me.  Now, I didn't carry a lot of bitterness or anger.  In fact I really don't know that I had any at that time, but was only afraid of having it from the situation.  For one week, I saw things that had happened in life and then I saw something that could not have come from me!  I saw why people did what they did.  When I thought I understood a situation and I did for the most part but I didn't see the intent of the other people and could only assume to know their intent by what happened.

I was shown insecurities or emotional pain or ways of thinking of the other people in the situations, whether it was a situation in which I was hurt in some way or not.  I saw for the most part, that in almost every situation, the person who was doing harm to someone or to me, was not intending to do that harm and the harm came about because of their own situations or wounds.  It would be pretty hard to blame someone who was wounded and acting in defense for intentionally trying to cause harm.  My view into these things gave me a new insight into things and helped me understand why things really happened.

I wish I could say that I remember that lesson every moment of every day, but I can't! lol  But sometimes I remember.  I try to understand people and their wounds before I go too far into any situation.  There are times I can do this and times when I can't or am not allowed close enough to understand it.  So sometimes I can work things out and sometimes I can't, through my own failure or someone elses, or just the way it is.

There is a time when you must stand firm with something, but there is also a time when forgiveness and love are the answer.

The one thing that is easier for me is in learning when to allow guilt or self examination and accountablity and when not to go into the guilt or self punishment.  We will often beat other's up, but what can be worse sometimes is what we do to ourselves.  Grace and love can go a long way and it should be extended to other's as well as be given to ourselves.  Take some grace and some love and sit down with yourself and then anyone you have a difficulty or past wound with and talk.  Just be ready to open up totally and be vulnerable and sometimes you can get to the root of what 'really' happened.  It is there that I have seen and gotten the most healing and restoration.  Sometimes things are simply not the way they appear to be and life is far too valuable to waste on baggage.




NuevaVida -> RE: healing up and forgiving (11/18/2008 9:30:43 PM)

That was an awesome post, Lockit; thank you for sharing. :)




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