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missturbation -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 11:23:08 AM)
quote: Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. I disagree. Contracts the same as anything are worth the value that the people involved in them place on them.

Padriag -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 11:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation That was my question too. He reckoned anything from $20,000 upwards depending on skills, looks and other things. Consider a two year contract though on $20,000, my share would be $10,000. Thats only $5,000 a year, pittance if you ask me. My share would have to be at least $60,000 a year to make it anywhere near worthwhile which would make my minimum price $240,000 for a two year contract. There are those who do this, including private groups who are very well organized about it. The details of the arrangement vary... one example I am aware of, a girl volunteers for this and is trained by the "club", after which she is auctioned off within the "club". Part of the money is used to pay for specific expenses (she gets health insurance among other things paid for out of the proceeds), the rest goes into an account which she gets at the end of her contract. Bidding starts at around $10,000 for a one year contract and goes up from there. A girl might have $5,000 at the end of the year. That's not really a "pittance" considering that for that year she hasn't had any bills at all to pay... her upkeep (food, clothing, housing, etc.) plus a health and life insurance policy are all taken care of. So at the end of a year... that's $5k of savings... how many put $5k in their savings account in a year?

ResidentSadist -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 11:55:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation That was my question too. He reckoned anything from $20,000 upwards depending on skills, looks and other things. Consider a two year contract though on $20,000, my share would be $10,000. Thats only $5,000 a year, pittance if you ask me. My share would have to be at least $60,000 a year to make it anywhere near worthwhile which would make my minimum price $240,000 for a two year contract. There are those who do this, including private groups who are very well organized about it. The details of the arrangement vary... one example I am aware of, a girl volunteers for this and is trained by the "club", after which she is auctioned off within the "club". Part of the money is used to pay for specific expenses (she gets health insurance among other things paid for out of the proceeds), the rest goes into an account which she gets at the end of her contract. Bidding starts at around $10,000 for a one year contract and goes up from there. A girl might have $5,000 at the end of the year. That's not really a "pittance" considering that for that year she hasn't had any bills at all to pay... her upkeep (food, clothing, housing, etc.) plus a health and life insurance policy are all taken care of. So at the end of a year... that's $5k of savings... how many put $5k in their savings account in a year? Over time, my contracts developed along those lines in that there was a stipend granted upon release (by either) and it was based on time served. During the interview stage, if someone wondered if the rate was appropriate, I asked how much money they had in savings right now. Usually my annual accrued stipend was greater than their life savings. But alas… I am no longer wealthy and can’t afford to do that nowadays.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 12:03:09 PM)
quote: ...I could take a lifetime contract or two to five years with options to renew. Half the money i was sold for would be placed into my bank account for when my service ended. Training wise i could be assessed and sold with the skills i already have. I could be trained by the Dom who had contacted me to raise my value, or i could be sold and then go back to the Dom who had sold me for specific training requested by my purchaser... the scenario, as outlined, is perceived by this slave as employment (money exchanged for services rendered), possibly indentured servitude (if money was given up front and then was worked off over a period of time). but still don't see how it is "slavery" unless someone else gets the money from the sale/benefit of the service---other than you. employment and indentured servitude has never been a fantasy for this slave...however, serving someone for *their* pleasure, as *they* wish with the agreement that this slave belongs to them, as their property and *not* for her own personal material/financial gain, had always been nothing but fantasy, until becoming Master's slave.

SlaveIndigochild -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 12:17:57 PM)
great fantasy....but they gonna make prostitution illegal here....can'ya just imagine what they gonna do with slaves!!!!

GreedyTop -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 12:18:43 PM)
smoooches Prinny

ResidentSadist -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 12:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SlaveIndigochild great fantasy....but they gonna make prostitution illegal here....can'ya just imagine what they gonna do with slaves!!!! I hear drugs are illegal too but, the existence of them and the binding contracts among the illegal organizations that bring them here are no fantasy. I think legality has very little effect on what people do when it comes to pleasure and money. just saying...

Padriag -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 1:33:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Over time, my contracts developed along those lines in that there was a stipend granted upon release (by either) and it was based on time served. During the interview stage, if someone wondered if the rate was appropriate, I asked how much money they had in savings right now. Usually my annual accrued stipend was greater than their life savings. But alas… I am no longer wealthy and can’t afford to do that nowadays. Seeing how others handled such inspired me in my own thinking. These days I'm of the opinion that its something any dominant should consider with a live in slave or submissive... healthcare, life insurance, some sort of savings plan... these are serious issues. A basic health insurance policy, if you shop around online, can be had for as little as $82 / month... its very no frills... but at least it's something. Add say a $100 monthly deposit in a savings account... it isn't a huge amount, but its still something. We often opine in these forums about how dominants should be in control of themselves and have their lives together... perhaps the question should be, do we have our lives together enough to put our money where our mouth is?

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 1:45:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag Seeing how others handled such inspired me in my own thinking. These days I'm of the opinion that its something any dominant should consider with a live in slave or submissive... healthcare, life insurance, some sort of savings plan... these are serious issues. A basic health insurance policy, if you shop around online, can be had for as little as $82 / month... its very no frills... but at least it's something. Add say a $100 monthly deposit in a savings account... it isn't a huge amount, but its still something. We often opine in these forums about how dominants should be in control of themselves and have their lives together... perhaps the question should be, do we have our lives together enough to put our money where our mouth is? This is the same question I have for people who want offspring and pets. If one can't afford to keep oneself alive, then how can one keep a full-time servant... or anything else that requires an outlay of money and to be provided for. We require our servants to work outside the house. Up until the point where they become bond-servants, they keep their own money, and can either manage it themselves or ask our help in managing it -in their own names- (things like assisting in setting up a budget, arranging payment plans for any over-extended bills, etc.) When we've had bond-servants, especially those who lived in-house, things like finances and insurance, savings, and investments were managed through common household accounts. Being able to support a larger household requires resources -- even the change from a household of one to a household of -two-, where one party will not be earning an income capable of covering base expenses requires an evaluation of one's own finances, to make sure that that is something that one can take on.. but how many people actually -do- that... or even -think- about it.... especially when caught up in the more romantic version of WIITWD.

MrHarsh -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 2:05:20 PM)
It's been said about 100 times now ... nice fantasy, but not realistically feasible. If he came to you offering to sell you for a night, or a weekend, or even a week, it might be doable, but not periods of 2-5 years or "lifetime." Those time periods sound totally insane, especially if you end up with a total jerk. For all you know, you could wind up working in some brothel overseas with this kind of deal, living in a box, starving to death, never bathing, and without health care. It sounds very suspicious. If you were serious about this kind of thing, you would have to research it heavily before you got into it. I'd want to know what kind of people would be bidding on his "slaves" for one thing. I'd want to meet with several of his "slaves" who have been sold an hear their stories too. You should certainly find a slave or two to verify that they got their "half" of the money. (And honestly, what does he get to keep HALF of the money? What did he do to deserve it? You deserve 75% at least!)

Lordandmaster -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 2:07:16 PM)
I'm wondering why on earth someone would fork over $20,000 for a "contract" that the "slave" can cease to observe at a moment's notice. quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation That was my question too. He reckoned anything from $20,000 upwards depending on skills, looks and other things.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 2:37:04 PM)
No need for a contract then, unless you are looking for a signing ceremony. The contracts for the kind of slavery you are speaking of, cannot be upheld in any court I am aware of, and that is what I meant. quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. I disagree. Contracts the same as anything are worth the value that the people involved in them place on them.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 4:21:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Over time, my contracts developed along those lines in that there was a stipend granted upon release (by either) and it was based on time served. During the interview stage, if someone wondered if the rate was appropriate, I asked how much money they had in savings right now. Usually my annual accrued stipend was greater than their life savings. But alas… I am no longer wealthy and can’t afford to do that nowadays. Seeing how others handled such inspired me in my own thinking. These days I'm of the opinion that its something any dominant should consider with a live in slave or submissive... healthcare, life insurance, some sort of savings plan... these are serious issues. A basic health insurance policy, if you shop around online, can be had for as little as $82 / month... its very no frills... but at least it's something. Add say a $100 monthly deposit in a savings account... it isn't a huge amount, but its still something. We often opine in these forums about how dominants should be in control of themselves and have their lives together... perhaps the question should be, do we have our lives together enough to put our money where our mouth is? Forgive this excerpt in support of you financial comment. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ -=ON BEING A MASTER=- To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary. Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling. I enjoy all aspects of the verbal application of Master as well. One must “master” themselves before mastering others. So this old school view applies to my outlook. In order to master a slave, you must be financially able to own and support them. In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject. To me, being a Master, means you must master your slave. -Kalon Eric

subbisherri -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 4:32:40 PM)
Missturbation, there's been far better posts here, pro and con, than I could ever hope to match, but I do have to wonder just what your motivation might be? If it's monetary, surely there's ways to make good coin without such a requirement? Mind, your stated $240,000 (tax free no doubt!) would be hard to match. If's it's a chance to make an emotional connection, is this the best way to go about that? Assuming one was true to the time requirement, what if the Master turns out to be a loser and all the result is money in the bank (maybe) and a two-year lesson in bad relationships? I agree that it's a fabby fantasy and having used it as the basis of some wonderful scenes (of the being handed over to the "mysterious stranger" variety), one can't help but think that there are better (more sensible?) pathways. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong. ss

RainydayNE -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 4:38:37 PM)
intersting fantasy, but the reality is just too crappy

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 4:48:22 PM)
The fantasy of non-consensual slavery was once hot to me, in the same way bondage was: It was a symbol of having things done to me that I wanted, but wasn't ready to surrender to. The concept of slavery excited me, but all I knew of it had taught me that it was wrong. Having the choices taken from me without my consent, absolved me of responsibility for doing wrong. If I was tied up, helpless and unable to stop things from being done to me, I was again, absolved from the responsibility of owning my sluttiness. Sometimes you just have to grow into the fantasy and learn how to own it for yourself. Then begging for the ropes, the chains and the collar, do mean freedom, to be yourself and revel in it. I'm still, more often than not, still working on resolving the conflict of perceived or pre-programed self, and self actualization.

ODadEO -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 4:51:19 PM)
I was acquainted one time with a gentleman who purchased his slave, and they grew to have quite a nice relationship. He was disabled so many of her responsibilities had to do with the cooking. cleaning, etc etc that goes with life, but they had a nice D/s dynamic all the way around, as far as I could tell. I think he bought her for something like $10,000 about 20 years ago, more or less. And she came from Belgium or somewhere like that, so values might not translate the same to someone from here maybe. But after knowing and seeing them in action, I wondered about doing the same, but decided $10k is more than I could spend on a chance it would work out. Maybe I need the connection more than he did, so would need to be more sure of it all before I'd do that. Actually, not sure I'd ever do that, but the fantasy was there.

missturbation -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 5:36:17 PM)
quote: So at the end of a year... that's $5k of savings... how many put $5k in their savings account in a year? Good point butttttttttttttt, ain't there always a but lol. In my job the only bills i pay are my mobile phone and my food bills. My accomodation, gas, electric, council tax etc etc are all paid for me. So really i can afford to save far more than $5000 a year. I don't though, i spend it on shoes [:D] quote: It's been said about 100 times now ... nice fantasy, but not realistically feasible. If he came to you offering to sell you for a night, or a weekend, or even a week, it might be doable, but not periods of 2-5 years or "lifetime." Those time periods sound totally insane, especially if you end up with a total jerk. Of course it's feasible. To you those time lengths may be insane but to me they are not. quote: The contracts for the kind of slavery you are speaking of, cannot be upheld in any court I am aware of, and that is what I meant. Ah ok [:D] quote: Missturbation, there's been far better posts here, pro and con, than I could ever hope to match, but I do have to wonder just what your motivation might be? If it's monetary, surely there's ways to make good coin without such a requirement? If's it's a chance to make an emotional connection, is this the best way to go about that? Assuming one was true to the time requirement, what if the Master turns out to be a loser and all the result is money in the bank (maybe) and a two-year lesson in bad relationships? The motivation would be the fantasy of it, to be sold into slavery and to serve out my contract to the best of my ability. It would not be about the money, i earn plenty now and probably more than i would earn from doing this. No its not a way to find an emotional attachment, as i have stated time and again im not really into emotional attachment. Should he turn out to be a loser id just have to suck it up wouldnt i? quote: intersting fantasy, but the reality is just too crappy For you perhaps [:D][:D]

ThundersCry -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 5:45:20 PM)
Its not for...everyone.. When someone understands that...serving is an honor...and that ember never goes away...deep within their soul... I have little doubt they can/could pull it off with grace and style... You have what it takes...

missturbation -> RE: Sold !! (11/19/2008 5:50:07 PM)
Thankyou for your post [:D] I would hope i could pull it off

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