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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 11:31:20 AM   
SavageFaerie


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You would have the energy to debate it if you drank more milk.

I think I've found my true calling in life.

From this day forward I will change my screen name to the Milkman and forever dedicate myself to ensuring that everyone on CM receives their daily recommendations of calcium and vitamin D.


dont have to worry about me Im on strick orders from my dr to take huge doses of vit D since my D count was 15 very very low, though this wasnt do to not drinking milk which I do. But due to agoraphobia. He said I needed to spend at least an hour a day out side to get it from the sun but if I cant I have to do 5000 mg every 3 days and 1000 on alternate days.

This is not at all due to poor diet, I read label, I read ingredients, I mostly try and eat fresh food nd stay away from pure sugar treats. But because of my condition I lack vitamins eccential to my body. Milk doesnt make up for it but does provide extra vitamin D and calicum I do need.

I eat as healthy as I can, tho no one is perfect, the pumpkin pie as doing me in LOL. But Im concious of healthy eating but do lack in vitamin areas. My calicum is low also I did start claicum talbets.......hate it...like trying to poop a cannon ball' and hate resorting to stool softners more checmical to add.

Sorry if I got all over the place. But milk is a source of calcium and Vit D and I have critical deficines.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 11:37:19 AM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 11:40:23 AM   
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FR~ Maybe this whole issue could be resolved if the airlines would accomodate for the fact that people don't come in just one size. If they made some "seat and halfs" and then some "kid seats" they could probably even still get the same number of people on a plane.


that is a pretty great idea :)

i wonder, would they have them all in certain seating areas, or would they be interspersed? like would your kid have to sit apart from you in a "kid section"
or could you request and adult/kid seat combo? and i'm sure somebody somewhere would take offense at the idea of "being relegated to the fat section" on a plane. =p

that's a pretty gnarly idea :)

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 11:44:59 AM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 11:45:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

the ruling tho- sets to challenge other venues.   consider that fast food seats  are purposely designed so people do not loiter.  we have a higher % of obese today then 20 years ago. I attribute that to high fruitose corn syrup,  and processed foods...  


so the reality is folks weigh more today- most everyone ... so what to do with it public policy-wise.

bus seats, DR WAITING room seats, diner seats, and so on.

high fructose corn syrup is chemically synthesized, the body can not entirely digest the chemistry modified item.  add that to the fact that many drink soda instead of water.  (even diet- sorry )



Am I the only person who fails to see how being encouraged not to loiter in a fast foot outlet is not a bad thing for people who are overweight ?

and high fructose whatever .... its all excuses .. people who consume more calories than they use gain weight ... there have always been people able to consume more calories than they used ... in the modern world opportunities for this are greater and so the overweight population is ever increasing. Theybare note being raped by the soda fountain .. the extra helpings are not jumping down their throats. They are choosing to consume those calories ... there are plenty of ways to eat yourself sick on things without added sugar, fat or salt. Funny though that you never see anyone binge eating on carrot sticks.

I have every sympathy for people who have a dysfunctional relationship with food - I have one and have to work very hard to keep my eating healthy, balanced and in control. But I do that work ... and I dont see why people who dont do that work should be treated any differently to me.




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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 12:23:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

The question, however, is, Popeye, will you have a problem when you have to pay more for your airline ticket because a High Court ruled that a private industry needs to provide 2 seats at the same price for a person who does not, perhaps, watch what they eat and take a 2-3 mile walk every day?
Or are you okay with this? 


No one cares if you agree with Obama's tax plan. Try a different thread.


Excuse Me?  I do not see anywhere in this quote where I am speaking of Obama's Tax Plan.  I did allude to it in an initial post as an example which I think stands on its own.  Let's move on, shall we?
 
That said, I will assume (and hope that I am not making an ass out of you and me) that you used the link to the posted article and read it.  It said:

quote:

Obese people have the right to two seats for the price of one on flights within Canada, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled on Thursday.
The high court declined to hear an appeal by Canadian airlines of a decision by the Canadian Transportation Agency that people who are "functionally disabled by obesity" deserve to have two seats for one fare.


These are the first two paragraphs of the linked article.  So it would be pretty hard to miss.
 
It has already come up in the discussion that airlines will end up charging additonal on all seats to cover the extra cost of providing two seats for those who need it due to obesity issues. 
 
My question to Popeye was perfectly valid.  He did not make any statements regarding the OP.  He made a statement to indicate that he was fit.  That did not have anyting to do with the questions at hand.
 
The ultimate question here is whether or not people agree that a high government court should have the power to dictate to a private industry how they should charge for seating on their aircraft, and how that power may affect a portion of the population.
 
You may well think they do.  I do not.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 12:29:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Darias

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Well, isn't this interesting!
We have had 12 responses and only one thinks that we should share the wealth (or share the space) since the misfortune of another human being is not anything they can help.  But I also read that the airlines are making plenty of money so they can afford it.  hmmmmmm....
Here is My vote...
Any airline passenger who is making more than $250,000 per year will pay an extra surcharge to the airline and then that money will be put into a pot and the obese people who need an extra seat will have one without penalizing any of the people who are making less than that.  Sound fair?
I find it amazing that when it is something that potentially affects most people in the pocketbook (as in lots of people have the experience of purchasing or needing to purchase an airline ticket on occasion) it becomes so much more personal, and the thinking completely changes.


just wondering if im understanding this right?

your suggesting that people with decent jobs reguardless of their weight.. pay into a comunal fund used to  subsidise the tickets of obese passangers in the future? that someone would  pay extra on their ticket because of their career to cover the extra seat for someone who either doesnt want to or cant afford to pay for the seat space they need



My tongue was firmly stuck in My cheek.  I apologize if you misunderstood.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 3:02:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Darias

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Well, isn't this interesting!
We have had 12 responses and only one thinks that we should share the wealth (or share the space) since the misfortune of another human being is not anything they can help.  But I also read that the airlines are making plenty of money so they can afford it.  hmmmmmm....
Here is My vote...
Any airline passenger who is making more than $250,000 per year will pay an extra surcharge to the airline and then that money will be put into a pot and the obese people who need an extra seat will have one without penalizing any of the people who are making less than that.  Sound fair?
I find it amazing that when it is something that potentially affects most people in the pocketbook (as in lots of people have the experience of purchasing or needing to purchase an airline ticket on occasion) it becomes so much more personal, and the thinking completely changes.


just wondering if im understanding this right?

your suggesting that people with decent jobs reguardless of their weight.. pay into a comunal fund used to  subsidise the tickets of obese passangers in the future? that someone would  pay extra on their ticket because of their career to cover the extra seat for someone who either doesnt want to or cant afford to pay for the seat space they need

when i fly i need a seat on the plane... i pay for said seat and i get to fly

an obese person... whether it be because of illness lack of self control , mnetal issues or whatever reason folks want to give for obesity should have to fly by the same rules dont you think?

there is a fine line between fair taxation etc and penalising the rich in a very socialist way

if you look behind you its that blurry red thing about 40 miles back



I remember seeing in another thread your comments on how Americans don't do sarcasm well.

Apparently we're improving because her irony seems to have escaped you entirely.

Sorry.  Just couldn't resist pointing that out.


if memory serves that post was in the P&ORS

as  such it was probably sarcastic in its own right

but then your pointing out of things seems to prove my opinion quite nicely

Ta for that


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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: Darias

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Well, isn't this interesting!
We have had 12 responses and only one thinks that we should share the wealth (or share the space) since the misfortune of another human being is not anything they can help.  But I also read that the airlines are making plenty of money so they can afford it.  hmmmmmm....
Here is My vote...
Any airline passenger who is making more than $250,000 per year will pay an extra surcharge to the airline and then that money will be put into a pot and the obese people who need an extra seat will have one without penalizing any of the people who are making less than that.  Sound fair?
I find it amazing that when it is something that potentially affects most people in the pocketbook (as in lots of people have the experience of purchasing or needing to purchase an airline ticket on occasion) it becomes so much more personal, and the thinking completely changes.


just wondering if im understanding this right?

your suggesting that people with decent jobs reguardless of their weight.. pay into a comunal fund used to  subsidise the tickets of obese passangers in the future? that someone would  pay extra on their ticket because of their career to cover the extra seat for someone who either doesnt want to or cant afford to pay for the seat space they need



My tongue was firmly stuck in My cheek.  I apologize if you misunderstood.


I apoligise if my misunderstanding caused any offence

im used to being serious this side of the boards... my sense of humor tends to upset people if they are unsure whether or not im joking. so i tend to read posts from a serious state of mind


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 3:14:42 PM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 3:37:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Darias

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I remember seeing in another thread your comments on how Americans don't do sarcasm well.

Apparently we're improving because her irony seems to have escaped you entirely.

Sorry.  Just couldn't resist pointing that out.



if memory serves that post was in the P&ORS

as  such it was probably sarcastic in its own right

but then your pointing out of things seems to prove my opinion quite nicely

Ta for that



Yes, your original comment was sarcastic in its own right.

What is that old saying though about truth presenting itself in sarcasm?

Then again, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, only pointing out the irony.

Which I even apologized for, but even you have to admit it's pretty damn funny.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:04:09 PM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:18:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty:  Some people are overweight because the healthy food is more expensive than the fatty food and it's a better bargain if you're on a fixed income.
Yanno, I have seen this argument time and time again, but I have never seen any numbers which show this to be true. That is why I don't believe it. I do ALL of my own cooking; the closest I come to convenience foods is frozen veggies and fruits, bread, condiments, and the occasional ice cream.
Somebody will have to prove to me that eating pseudo-food is cheaper than eating real food.
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Some people just like the taste of that Big Mac w/a choc shake & extra french fries and the convenience of never leaving their car to get it. God bless the drive-thru windows.
It is tragic that there are people in this country who do not know what real food tastes like.


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:42:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		What if one doesn't take up a whole seat?  Could they only pay half the fare?  Hey, what's good for the goose...not that this affects me, I am terrified of flying.  Did it once, never again.  I prefer to drive, I get to stop in out of the way places and eat weird food and pick up interesting souvenirs. 

And to chime in on the Great Milk War, I hate milk, always have.  Other dairy?  Love it!  There are some in our house that can't have milk in the summer, due to allergies.  They would be plugged up in no time.  Ew. 

Edited to add: Someone mentioned the 6 year old happy meal.  So I just had to find it on youtube.  Oh, damn, there goes my favorite hangover cure.   What will I mop up the alcohol with now?

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 7:07:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		And what about when all the spaqce you need leaves someone else with no seat, a seat they payed for. We deserve to get a seat on the bus or plane we payed for.

I remember one time on a grey hound the only seat  other than the handy cap seats up front which are not usable by normal passengers, left by time I boarded was taken up by this huge obese woman, there wasn't any room for me to even sit down. If the handycapped seats were not availible, I would of had to cancle my plans or catch another bus which would of severely delayed me. And I guess some people say oh well no big deal who cares you missed your bus, but I care.
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ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy

It's wrong to penalise people because of their size.
People are all human, only too human and we are not all the same.
You should be given as much space as you need, God knows we all pay enough.
The airlines make more than enough money.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 7:30:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hell I fit well enough in the seat and I have considered for paying for two tickets, just so I can have some  room lol. Course I think the airlines frown on that specially when every seat availible is needed for actual passengers, and not someone who wanted another seat so not to be crowded.
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ORIGINAL: RainydayNE

yeah, i think you ought to pay for your space. if you take up two seats, pay for two seats

planes are cramped enough as it is man
especially on long flights

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 7:38:25 PM   
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I don't have that problem, I watch what I eat and take a 2-3 mile walk everyday.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 7:52:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's a whole spate of comercials saying otherwise,  and how it's clinically proven and how it's actually ok for you in moderate doses and it's as safe as sugar ect ect .course if you follow the money trail you'll probably find that a company has payed comercials to say that. .
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There is absolutely nothing beneficial about high fructose corn syrup.  Nothing.  Stay away from white flour, white rice, white sugar and dairy products.  All are poison to your body.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 8:16:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		of course a company has paid for that
the corn growers association or whatever
of course they want you to buy high fructose corn syrup, it's their #1 product, i'm sure
the milk producers association is the one paying for the "milk your diet" ads, first saying "drink milk for calcium!" then saying "the protein helps you build muscle" -- but ignoring the fact that loads of protein causes you to LOSE calcium =p

moderation is always key, but high fructose corn syrup is in almost EVERYTHING. it's even in dog snacks. =p
it's in bread, both wheat and white, it's in almost everything. you're not going to get "moderation"

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 8:17:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do. I also binge eat on grapes and watermellons too. Give me a nice fresh juicy bag of grapes and I'll eat half the bag in one sitting. Same with carrots too, and no I don't put ranch on my fresh carrots either.  Watermellons only last about 3 or 4 days around here, I eat about 5 slices a day.

if it's tasty* and good fresh juicy carrots grapes and watermellon are tasty I'll binge eat it.

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ORIGINAL: softness

there are plenty of ways to eat yourself sick on things without added sugar, fat or salt. Funny though that you never see anyone binge eating on carrot sticks.




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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 9:00:36 PM   
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Has this been thought through properly?

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