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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 9:52:42 PM   
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Well, guess what. It hasn't worked yet. Should i have to buy two seats? Honestly, i don't even freaking care. What offends the hell out of me are the wild and outrageously judgmental accusations that some people will type on here regarding other people and their weight. 
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 7:25:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am by far not large, in fact Im pretty tiny. I do suffer from clostroophpbia and social anxiety disdorder. When I fly I go to the counter and explain my disability, they are very nice as they let me load first and if the flight isnt full they will actually reserve the seat next to mine so that Im not pined in. They do their best to get me in the front of the plane so Im not stuck in the mass congestion of leavign the plane and can get off pretty fast, while technicallly using two seets I have no problem getting the use of two seats on condition the flight isnt full..

If this fair to obese have to purchace 2 seat no, but the airline have been very aware of my condition.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 1:49:44 PM   
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I am 6'1 and 300 lbs.  Can't fit into an airline seat either way.  So I drive everywhere and enjoy the scenery. 

As far as losing weight.  I am one of those people that can't.  I have done everything under the sun to lose weight short of surgery and it seems I gain.  So I gave up trying.  I eat healthy, I exercise and I maintain.  My blood pressure is well within normal levels, My blood sugar is well within normal levels, I had an EKG the other day and the  Dr. couldn't say anything negative about it.  I am healthy.  I can't walk for exercise because of an injury I sustained at the hands of a wreckless driver several years ago but I can do normal daily walking...what is it, 3 miles a day for the average person?  You can't judge a book by its cover...I was given lemons and I make the greatest lemonaid ever made. 

If you want to make me pay more for the same service that everyone is getting, then you don't really want my money.  If you want to discriminate against me because I am Large,  (I won't say overweight because I don't believe I am.) then you have lost a potential good friend and ally.  I have made my choice....your choice in how you relate to me is your decision to make.  Not seeking to change anyone's view of how they see the world....however if you judge someone by what they look like, then we go back to the pre 60s era and the days of segregation.  I dont' think anyone wants that.  Or do they?



a) You aren't getting the same service as everyone else if you are using more than everyone else.

So if I am taking up 2 seats, then it stands to rights that I get 2 packets of peanuts and 2 cups of soda....and 2 smiles from the flight attendant etc.....that doesn't happen....I am getting the same service...plain and simple.  

b) Discrimination would be to simply not allow larger people on the plane.

It's coming to that....and even if I wasn't 300 lbs...I would still not fit in a conventional space.  I am TALL too....so I just drive...Discrimination comes in many different forms..it doesn't just mean excluding.



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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking as a short person, I have to say that being stuck in the middle between two very large and overflowing people in economy class is not a fun way to fly.  And if someone needs to get out for the restroom?  Then you pretty much have to stand up and block the aisle. 

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:15:38 PM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:17:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a fabulous idea, mistoferin.  But do you think that the airlines would charge more for the larger seats?  or less for the children? Will we be flying by the pound someday the way our luggage can already? 


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ORIGINAL: RainydayNE

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

FR~ Maybe this whole issue could be resolved if the airlines would accomodate for the fact that people don't come in just one size. If they made some "seat and halfs" and then some "kid seats" they could probably even still get the same number of people on a plane.


that is a pretty great idea :)

i wonder, would they have them all in certain seating areas, or would they be interspersed? like would your kid have to sit apart from you in a "kid section"
or could you request and adult/kid seat combo? and i'm sure somebody somewhere would take offense at the idea of "being relegated to the fat section" on a plane. =p

that's a pretty gnarly idea :)


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:19:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
If you are wedged in and the plane crashes you have a higher chance of survival according to UK train crash studies.


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:20:43 PM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:32:58 PM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:41:30 PM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:42:26 PM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:47:24 PM   
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 3:48:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about issuing the passengers inflatable vests?  Some of us wimmin folk on CM come already equiped with 2 of those. 

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 6:58:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

How about issuing the passengers inflatable vests?  Some of us wimmin folk on CM come already equiped with 2 of those. 


Well if you have two, then you should share! Then at least if we get into a plane crash, I'm going to die happy.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 7:35:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_obesity_odd;_ylt=AqfOveNxWTHFM4ccyeFzLGrtiBIF

with in Canada.  Why stop there?  How about bus seats, booths, etc.

I had an obese friend that it was so humiliating to go out to eat and not be seated properly.

He has since had the surgery...

But I am smaller then average size, and I find alot of public seating to be too small.  What do you think?



I wasn't aware that sitting comforatbly was a right...


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 7:36:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy

It's wrong to penalise people because of their size.
People are all human, only too human and we are not all the same.
You should be given as much space as you need, God knows we all pay enough.
The airlines make more than enough money.


well...I need the entire first class section to be comfortable as I don't like people and I don't like being near them.

The airlines make more than enough money so...I shouldn't be penalized.


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 7:40:44 PM   
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As someone not so skinny myself, I think this is a bad idea. I have long legs, it doesn't mean I should be able to sit in first class without paying extra. If you need more room, pay for more room.


bingo. what these selfish people don't understand is that airlines are private property. they are owned and managed by individuals. they offer their service because we, the consumer, want it. sorry, but no one has a right to someone else'e property.


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 7:55:47 PM   
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Here is My vote...
Any airline passenger who is making more than $250,000 per year will pay an extra surcharge to the airline and then that money will be put into a pot and the obese people who need an extra seat will have one without penalizing any of the people who are making less than that.  Sound fair?


no. that doesn't sound fair at all.

these policies should be left up the airlines.


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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 8:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: variation30

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
Here is My vote...
Any airline passenger who is making more than $250,000 per year will pay an extra surcharge to the airline and then that money will be put into a pot and the obese people who need an extra seat will have one without penalizing any of the people who are making less than that.  Sound fair?


no. that doesn't sound fair at all.

these policies should be left up the airlines.



I give up.  Text does not show irony.  Apparently not even in context of the entire post.
 
Hello???  Tongue in cheek!

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/22/2008 8:21:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

If you want to make me pay more for the same service that everyone is getting, then you don't really want my money.


you aren't receiving the same service as I would. I only get one seat. You get two. that's a different service. but if you view this as unfair, I would suggest that you and other large people not fly on airlines who would make you pay for the extra space. if enough people stop buying tickets, perhaps you would find an airline who would want to accomodate you and get your money. forcing other people to do with their property what you want them to do (with no regard to their wishes) is qutie selfish.

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