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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 7:32:43 AM

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Rather splendid display of ignorance in this thread. Your intestines are designed to deal with rather nasty strains of e. coli and others bacteria. Urine actually contains anti bacterial and anti fungal compounds so set out a glass of it and a glass of grape juice and see which molds first. Using urine as an enema is as safe as ingesting any other body fluid from the person, it is after all, all going into the same system, just from different ends.

Yea I am seeing that. Most e coli strains are harmless. The "nasty" strains your GI tract has NO effect on. In other words if your partner has the "nasty" plan a 3 or 4 day stay at your local hospital.

"Cite your credible source" that urine has anti bacteria compounds, as I have not found any.

Uh still wanna try it lookup asymptomatic bacteriuria and get back to me. Very common form of bacteria without symptoms.

Well you know what they say "ignorance is bliss" geeze folks at the very least do some "basic research" before you attempt to be a KnowItAll.

Yea let's seperate fact from fiction. BadOne

As always, your posts are negative and condescending and of course wrong. If your partner has a nasty strain of e. coli in sufficient strength in their urine to cause you to be sick, they would have to be near death for it to be showing up in their urine. As for the rest, does The Oxford Journal of Medicine work for you?

http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/nem183

Here's another...

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/276/11/7806

I think you should stick to one line insults, that is at least, something you have a talent for.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 9:48:23 AM

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Rather splendid display of ignorance in this thread. Your intestines are designed to deal with rather nasty strains of e. coli and others bacteria. Urine actually contains anti bacterial and anti fungal compounds so set out a glass of it and a glass of grape juice and see which molds first. Using urine as an enema is as safe as ingesting any other body fluid from the person, it is after all, all going into the same system, just from different ends.

Yea I am seeing that. Most e coli strains are harmless. The "nasty" strains your GI tract has NO effect on. In other words if your partner has the "nasty" plan a 3 or 4 day stay at your local hospital.

"Cite your credible source" that urine has anti bacteria compounds, as I have not found any.

Uh still wanna try it lookup asymptomatic bacteriuria and get back to me. Very common form of bacteria without symptoms.

Well you know what they say "ignorance is bliss" geeze folks at the very least do some "basic research" before you attempt to be a KnowItAll.

Yea let's seperate fact from fiction. BadOne

As always, your posts are negative and condescending and of course wrong. If your partner has a nasty strain of e. coli in sufficient strength in their urine to cause you to be sick, they would have to be near death for it to be showing up in their urine. As for the rest, does The Oxford Journal of Medicine work for you?

http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/nem183

Here's another...

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/276/11/7806

I think you should stick to one line insults, that is at least, something you have a talent for.

LOL I knew you were going to cite that ... Now that you have... what you failed to mention in either post it that in order for that to work you have to drink craneberry juice. Further more it's a "pilot study" Which basically means "much more research" needs to be done in order to confirm if it actually was the cranberry juice that was the cause and not some other random issue.

So to answer your question NO the oxford journal does not work. Hell only 20 ppl were in the study. The study that I read indicated that it would take years to confirm that. It doesn't make sense to twist the facts so it suits your needs.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 10:43:00 AM

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 10:51:08 AM

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No such thing as "sterile urine " , urine is a waste product and to have in injected anally to be absorbed through the wall s of the digestive tract would NOT be a grand idea .The digestive tract is absorbent big time , urine is a toxin .Example would be when doing a wine or coffee enema VS ingesting it orally , wine and coffee need only small amounts to feel and experience its effects through enema as there is no filter to pass through like the kidneys , liver , and digestive tract .Doing this with a piss bag has its risks , a small cut micro small can cause a very bad infection ,and worse .

Urine can kill you (highly unlikely) or make you sick (more likely) IF you injest HUGE amounts of it, or don't drink anything else for a long period of time. This is called uremic poisoning. People have survived on their own or other's urine for LONG periods of time without dying or even becoming ill. The reason that it can become a problem is that you do pee out waste materials along with water... when you recycle pee your body absorbs the water out of it, and cycles the waste back out again, as much as it can. Eventually most of the good water is gone if you cycle it through enough times and only (mostly) waste remains. It can accumulate in your body and cause a 'toxic' effect. Assuming the pee 'donor' doesn't have an infection or certain diseases such as hepatitis (which can be transmitted through urine), and is drug free, I do not see a serious risk above the normal ones for an occasional enema.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 10:57:10 AM

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Az, it takes just a few minutes of research by anyone to confirm that urine in itself is a (virtually) sterile fluid. Of course this is totally dependant on a persons state of health. Urine contains waste products salts etc but no viral or bacteria. The toxic content comes on it's way out... from bacterias, yeasts etc on the skin and genital area.

So basically, good healthcare can avoid bacteria in urine. I'm not calling you out on your misinformation, because yes the end result can be 'non sterile' - but to state that urine in itself isn't sterile would be incorrect. It's how you get the urine that matters.

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It also depends on the person. If you have hepatitis or an infection, (and probably a few other things) the pee is 'tainted' before it even comes out. Urine can also contain blood and other things as well, if there is anything going wrong in any of the organs that it passes through. As a general rule it is sterile, but it depends on the body it is coming out of.

Also, stop hijacking my font. LOL

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 11:13:06 AM

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If you have hepatitis or an infection, (and probably a few other things) the pee is 'tainted' before it even comes out.

That would depend upon the strain of Hepatitis. Hepatitis C, the most serious strain and also the most common, is transmitted by blood.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 11:26:17 AM

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Like I said in my post, it depends on the person. Ingesting or absorbing urine is the same as ingesting or absorbing any bodily fluid. You check out the person it's coming from. But the urine is sterile. The blood that may contaminate it is an entirely different matter.

As for the font thang, yeah it's annoying for people. It's a cm thing - .
All you need to do is highlight alter your type face size back to 3. Hope that helps!

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 1:10:14 PM

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THANK YOU now we can all go on your recommendation AWESOME glad you have deemed it safe .

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I do not see a serious risk above the normal ones for an occasional enema.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 1:12:49 PM

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Ty for the advice on the font. :)

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 1:19:05 PM

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If you have hepatitis or an infection, (and probably a few other things) the pee is 'tainted' before it even comes out.

That would depend upon the strain of Hepatitis. Hepatitis C, the most serious strain and also the most common, is transmitted by blood.

Urine can contain blood... without even being able to see a difference in tinge, let alone a noticeable change in the appearance of it. So... could still be possible, I would think.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 2:09:00 PM

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If you have hepatitis or an infection, (and probably a few other things) the pee is 'tainted' before it even comes out.

That would depend upon the strain of Hepatitis. Hepatitis C, the most serious strain and also the most common, is transmitted by blood.

Urine can contain blood... without even being able to see a difference in tinge, let alone a noticeable change in the appearance of it. So... could still be possible, I would think.

Well I suppose that anything could be possible...but the CDC has no reported cases of transmission of Hepatitis C from engaging in watersports or coming in contact with an infected persons urine. If a person had a very high viral load blood count they may have a slightly increased viral load in their urine....but even if they do you can not get Hepatitis C from ingesting the virus. The only means of transmission is blood to blood.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 2:11:27 PM

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If you have hepatitis or an infection, (and probably a few other things) the pee is 'tainted' before it even comes out.

That would depend upon the strain of Hepatitis. Hepatitis C, the most serious strain and also the most common, is transmitted by blood.

Urine can contain blood... without even being able to see a difference in tinge, let alone a noticeable change in the appearance of it. So... could still be possible, I would think.

Well I suppose that anything could be possible...but the CDC has no reported cases of transmission of Hepatitis C from engaging in watersports or coming in contact with an infected persons urine. If a person had a very high viral load blood count they may have a slightly increased viral load in their urine....but even if they do you can not get Hepatitis C from ingesting the virus. The only means of transmission is blood to blood.

Ok so lets take it even farther and stretch to say there was some sort of wound or opening into the blood stream of the person receiving the enema... Possible, but not probable? I think I'll leave it at that. I thought you could get hep C through sexual contact as well. Isn't that the one Pam Anderson has?

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 2:13:11 PM

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Found my answer on last post:

The hepatitis C virus (HCV) is transmitted by blood-to-blood contact. In developed countries, it is estimated that 90% of persons with chronic HCV infection were infected through transfusion of unscreened blood or blood products or via injecting drug use or by inhalational drug use. In developing countries, the primary sources of HCV infection are unsterilized injection equipment and infusion of inadequately screened blood and blood products. Although injection drug use and receipt of infected blood/blood products are the most common routes of HCV infection, any practice, activity, or situation that involves blood-to-blood exposure can potentially be a source of HCV infection. The virus may be sexually transmitted, although this is rare, and usually only occurs when an STD (like HIV) is also present and makes blood contact more likely.[16].

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 2:20:42 PM

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I thought you could get hep C through sexual contact as well. Isn't that the one Pam Anderson has?

Well you can but it's extremely rare unless you are compromised by another STD such as HIV. Surprisingly, the CDC doesn't even recommend increased precautions in longterm, monagamous couples where one partner is infected. Infections of Hep C within a household are more often attributed to coming in contact with that persons blood via shaving utensils and such. I believe that Pamela Anderson is infected with that strain....but I believe that I read somewhere that it was contracted through a surgery.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 2:42:27 PM

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Urine can kill you (highly unlikely) or make you sick (more likely) IF you injest HUGE amounts of it, or don't drink anything else for a long period of time. This is called uremic poisoning.

Is not.

Uremic poisoning is the failure of the kidneys to filter toxins. It matters not if you drink gallons of water or gallons of urine...the kidneys will still do their job. Uremic poisoning almost always occurs when one is in renal (kidney) failure.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 2:52:20 PM

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You are correct that the armed forces survival training says not to drink urine for survival. But it will not dehydrate your body like Saltwater. Saltwater is about 3.5% salt. Urine is only 2.2% salt. The kidneys can excrete a maximum of 2 to 2.5% salt. When you drink Saltwater the body require more water to get rid of the salt, hence dehydration, because you are exceeding the Kidney's capacity to remove salt. If you drink your own urine, it will remove the salt without dehydration but other waste products begin to build up in urine, mainly urea composted of nitrogen.

If you'd like to chance that, be my guest. Not a problem drinking it for kink, if you're otherwise hydrated, but spouting off that it's a survival technique is just irresponsible.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 3:31:03 PM

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To the OP:
I would suggest you first go and research the sterility (or lack thereof) of urine from a CREDIBLE medical source. As wonderful and intelligent as the posters here are, you can see from lack of agreement that we might not be the best ones to give medical advice. Ask your doctor.
As to the anal, just keep working at it. I don't do anal, so I don't have any personal experiences to tout off, so I'll just suggest what I've read. Trying keeping a plug in, one that is as big as you can stand, for a long period of time. Use LOTS of lube. And maybe try one of those suction-cup ended toys so that you can practice more comfortably by yourself.
Best of luck.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/25/2008 5:04:20 PM

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Here are some CREDIBLE medical websites that state Urine is sterile. This includes Stanford, a well known medical college. I encourage those interested to read the articles. This is not meant as medical advice. If you are unsure about a particular play health risk it is always best to ask a doctor. Places like Webmd and Mayoclinic allow people to ask questions online and keep their annonimity. Enjoy!

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/general-medicine-article//406934
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/examinations/urinesample.htm
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/urology/archive/1382.html
http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/illnesses.html?article=1529

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/26/2008 6:07:06 AM

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Urine can kill you (highly unlikely) or make you sick (more likely) IF you injest HUGE amounts of it, or don't drink anything else for a long period of time. This is called uremic poisoning.

Is not.

Uremic poisoning is the failure of the kidneys to filter toxins. It matters not if you drink gallons of water or gallons of urine...the kidneys will still do their job. Uremic poisoning almost always occurs when one is in renal (kidney) failure.

It can also happen when you fill your kidneys full of pre-excreted waste over and over again and they can't deal with it. You are just dumping it all back into your body. It would suffice to say, that if your kidneys were already damaged, or stopped working properly due to dehydration or other factors/complications, which could easily happen in a situation where all you had to drink was your own pee, that dumping all the toxic stuff back in there would make it happen even faster.

I've read medical journals and seen plenty of "edumacational' tv shows on people who survived by drinking their own pee and were sick as dogs due to it.

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RE: Inquiry relating to Golden Enema and Anal - 11/26/2008 11:23:07 AM

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i have these types of enemas on a fairly regular basis in fact there is a whole site full of people who do this on a regularish basis and no ones had a bad report it feels a little wierd might sting a little because of the high salt content that everyone has been talking about but that is it

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