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Politesub53 -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 6:45:28 AM)
ironically beer and the increase in pubs, only came about due to the problems with Gin ( Before Victorian times ) Wellington bought ut a beer act which enabled more pubs in the UK and ended the illegal gin trade. In the 1730 10 million gallons of Gin was being distilled in London alone. It was initially sold as medicine, but poor people drank copious amounts to ward off cold and hunger. Much like Vodka is now used in Russia i would guess. Edited for spelling.

missturbation -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 6:48:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen You know, I get the impression that public houses (pubs) are going to go back to their roots. Example, my friends have open house at their place of a weekend - well open in the sense of people they know and friends of friends. Everyone brings their own drink, smoking is allowed in a couple of rooms - one of which is the room with the drum kit and guitars etc. Those preferring a chat can get one, those who want to watch a video with friends can watch it, those who want to get noisy can do so without causing problems and those who want to smoke can. To my mind, this is an ideal model for a pub and the model more or less whereby they originated - someone's house. Originally that person was the one who was best at making beer, nowadays its that person who has a big enough house and a sociable nature. E I agree. That is the kind of pub that social drinkers want. The problem is that the traditional pubs are struggling to survive beacause of all the reasons i stated above. quote: Whatever, whoever has created the extortionate price in beer has created the end of the institution that is the British public house. Possibly not if we can get this petition through and passed. quote: I agree with you, but that wasnt my point. My nephews and their friends will go out of a weekend regardless of costs. Supermarket beer could be free but they would still go clubbing. I am the same in the week, if I want to use a pub then I do. More often than not it is the loud music act that keeps me at home, although I concede I dont go out as much as I used to. You're not going to like this but the first thought that sprung to mind when you said this was 'oh no and they are exactly the kind of drinkers we don't want out'. Stereotypical yes, but mainly correct, yep.

Aneirin -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:04:20 AM)
I am sorry how all this is affecting your livelihood Misst. and good few of my friend's who are in the publican trade, I do not want to see pubs closing left, right and centre, I like pubs, always have and hope they may continue, but I do not see an answer to this problem. By cuutting cheap supermarket alcohol, you alienate the poor, the cost of beer in pubs already alientates the poor when the problem of anti social behaviour is not to be found with the people who drink at locals or at home, it is the town places, the watering holes often with bouncers on doors. If government hits them hard, where will they go next ? My local intentionally cut it's clientele in favour of social drinkers, it kicked the chavs out and with them the drug dealers, petty criminals and underage drinkers, it is now a pleasant pub, but it's dying. New hands soon and the rumour the new hands wants the chavs back, as a pub is about beer sales. Fine, we have told the owner, we, our group will seek another pub, as it is we have three equidistant to choose from.

Politesub53 -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:06:00 AM)
It seems to me there are two types of pub now. The traditional type where people can have a quite drink ( My local goes back 400 years, and still has the original fireplaces ) Then we have the modern type whose aim is to cram everyone into a themed pub, loud music and happy hours. When I first moved down here, my local was more like a free house, but seems to have gone downhill since Scottish and Newcastle took it over. Oh for the days of proper pub grub, cooked on the premises, and real beer.... And a decent Mild !

Aneirin -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:09:38 AM)
Or a brown bitter.

LadyEllen -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:13:16 AM)
What struck me last night - and yes OK its 22 years later and we're all older - was that many of our school reunion group disliked the second pub we went to as much as I. Back in the day, that sort of place was where it was at for most (though I disliked them even then). Given that we have an aging population and that the older one gets the more a traditional pub appeals, why is it that so many traditional pubs are closing down whilst the brash noisy newcomers prosper? It ought to be the other way around - there should be a dozen traditional pubs to every two of the other type. 1) drink driving laws; my generation and older generally dont drink and drive (the police are meanwhile having rising problems with this from the younger generation) 2) the smoking ban (why it wasnt a choice rather than a ban is a mystery in our free market economy that we laud on any other occasion) 3) the problems of anti-social behaviour that spill out of the modern rowdy pubs (which keeps the likes of me at home for the most part) 4) most controversially, the general dumbing down of life in Britain and celebration of the lowest common denominator as the cultural aspiration (being able to talk about things in depth does not make one popular) E

missturbation -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:17:15 AM)
quote: By cuutting cheap supermarket alcohol, you alienate the poor, the cost of beer in pubs already alientates the poor when the problem of anti social behaviour is not to be found with the people who drink at locals or at home, it is the town places, the watering holes often with bouncers on doors. If government hits them hard, where will they go next ? You are kidding yourself if you think anti social behaviour only exists in town centre pubs and clubs. quote: My local intentionally cut it's clientele in favour of social drinkers, it kicked the chavs out and with them the drug dealers, petty criminals and underage drinkers, it is now a pleasant pub, but it's dying. Town centre pub or a contradiction of the above. You won't be alienating anyone by bringing beer prices into line. The poor may have to cut down on their drinking but is that such a bad thing considering the majority of people drink well over their reccomended units of alcohol a week?

MzMia -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:18:27 AM)
missturbation, I really thought about you and your pub when I read this article. [;)] I am so glad that you and the those in the UK are telling us first hand what is going on. THAT is one of the advantages of having these message boards, you are THERE. I actually have been to England! I was a very UM, my father was stationed in Germany at the time, so I don't recall the pubs. I have not yet traveled to Britain as an adult, and when I think of the UK, I always think of the wonderful neighborhood pubs! It is something that many of us around the world, see as wonderful, unique and charming. Your pubs have been around for what? Hundreds of years? I always thought of it as a place where local friends gathered to talk, share news, have fun, and maybe have a drink. I don't know what the answer is, but I hate to hear that many of the small neighborhood pubs, are closing. We have had many of the small neighborhood shops and local clubs and bars close around here, and it is a real loss. I think your government should make sure that you don't lose too many small pubs, it is part of your country's charm and could even effect tourism!

missturbation -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:21:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It seems to me there are two types of pub now. The traditional type where people can have a quite drink ( My local goes back 400 years, and still has the original fireplaces ) Then we have the modern type whose aim is to cram everyone into a themed pub, loud music and happy hours. When I first moved down here, my local was more like a free house, but seems to have gone downhill since Scottish and Newcastle took it over. Oh for the days of proper pub grub, cooked on the premises, and real beer.... And a decent Mild ! My pub is owned by scottish and newcastle lol. I agree they are crap. You can get real ale all over the place nowadays but unfortunately its places like wetherspoons that have the best range on. They usually have around ten different hand pulls. quote: Or a brown bitter. ???????????????????

missturbation -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:30:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia missturbation, I really thought about you and your pub when I read this article. [;)] I am so glad that you and the those in the UK are telling us first hand what is going on. THAT is one of the advantages of having these message boards, you are THERE. I actually have been to England! I was a very UM, my father was stationed in Germany at the time, so I don't recall the pubs. I have not yet traveled to Britain as an adult, and when I think of the UK, I always think of the wonderful neighborhood pubs! It is something that many of us around the world, see as wonderful, unique and charming. Your pubs have been around for what? Hundreds of years? I always thought of it as a place where local friends gathered to talk, share news, have fun, and maybe have a drink. I don't know what the answer is, but I hate to hear that many of the small neighborhood pubs, are closing. We have had many of the small neighborhood shops and local clubs and bars close around here, and it is a real loss. I think your government should make sure that you don't lose to many small pubs, it is part of your country's charm and could even effect tourism! My pub is well over 400 years old, its a listed building. That means it cannot be knocked down or altered without express permission. Its a beautiful quaint building with charm. Unfortunately it needs about £80,000 worth of work doing on it. I have no heating, its broken, the whole place is damp. I have no kitchen, not even a kitchen sink or cooker. Im living off take aways, have bare floor boards upstairs. The brewery claims they cannot put any money into it because its not making money. Now as far as im concerned you need to spend money to make money but in this climate even im not convinced it is soemthing that will work.

Aneirin -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:50:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It seems to me there are two types of pub now. The traditional type where people can have a quite drink ( My local goes back 400 years, and still has the original fireplaces ) Then we have the modern type whose aim is to cram everyone into a themed pub, loud music and happy hours. When I first moved down here, my local was more like a free house, but seems to have gone downhill since Scottish and Newcastle took it over. Oh for the days of proper pub grub, cooked on the premises, and real beer.... And a decent Mild ! My pub is owned by scottish and newcastle lol. I agree they are crap. You can get real ale all over the place nowadays but unfortunately its places like wetherspoons that have the best range on. They usually have around ten different hand pulls. quote: Or a brown bitter. ??????????????????? What ? a northern Land lady that does not know a brown bitter, why simply the cheapest cooking bitter mixed with a bottle of brown ale, a one time poor man's drink, but it made something better with the Greenhall's excuse for beer.

Aneirin -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 7:59:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: By cuutting cheap supermarket alcohol, you alienate the poor, the cost of beer in pubs already alientates the poor when the problem of anti social behaviour is not to be found with the people who drink at locals or at home, it is the town places, the watering holes often with bouncers on doors. If government hits them hard, where will they go next ? You are kidding yourself if you think anti social behaviour only exists in town centre pubs and clubs. quote: My local intentionally cut it's clientele in favour of social drinkers, it kicked the chavs out and with them the drug dealers, petty criminals and underage drinkers, it is now a pleasant pub, but it's dying. Town centre pub or a contradiction of the above. You won't be alienating anyone by bringing beer prices into line. The poor may have to cut down on their drinking but is that such a bad thing considering the majority of people drink well over their reccomended units of alcohol a week? No, we are simply home brewing beer, getting back to roots and searching old recipes. I remember my father having a brewing shed, or at least a place where he and some of the old war vets went to talk rubarb. This past yer I made nettle beer, a light, pleasant and refreshing drink, not sure the alcohol content, I broke my hydrometer, but it was enough. Come spring, I will be brewing again, there are a fair few friends interested now, good beer on the beach at sunset is a great evening. As always, when governments get involved and stamp their heavy foot, stuff goes underground.

MzMia -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 8:00:20 AM)
That is beyond sad. No heat? No kitchen? Someone should have a fundraiser to help raise money to restore that wonderful historic building. What a shame miss.

missturbation -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 8:20:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia That is beyond sad. No heat? No kitchen? Someone should have a fundraiser to help raise money to restore that wonderful historic building. What a shame miss. It most certainly is but it a sign of the times.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 8:35:57 AM)
Old technology not even energy efficient.[8\|]

Lynnxz -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 8:45:52 AM)
Ah... no happy hour sucks. We can't have it here either, I don't know if it's a state or county thing... but unless it's on special, expect to pay 5 bucks for it.

RCdc -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 9:29:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation You won't be alienating anyone by bringing beer prices into line. The poor may have to cut down on their drinking but is that such a bad thing considering the majority of people drink well over their reccomended units of alcohol a week? I totally agree with this. The whole point of this and stuff like the credit crunch (if you have no debts) is you just have to cut back on the fun shit for a few years. People act like alcohol is the be and end of all - like water. It's not unless you have an addiction. If people are that poor, why are they bothering with drink? I have no sympathy with this complaint, when I had nothing, I dealt with it and that means no luxuries - and beer is just that. My grandpa would go have a stout to socialise for a whole evening don his pub plus a couple of packets of pork scratchings and that was all. the.dark.

MadAxeman -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 10:57:28 AM)
MissT, burn the wooden floors to heat the place.

colouredin -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 11:09:15 AM)
hmm well i think that there is a place for both, i do enjoy going to the pub, but in honesty i tend to go to chains when i can, im from a small town so all here are independant pubs but they are so expensive and i do limit how much i go out, normally once a month and special occasions, much as i agree that its a luxury life would be pretty bland without luxuries. I dont think that supermarket prices should be forced up to match pub prices. When you go to a pub you are paying for the atmosphere too thats why its always going to be more expensive.

Aneirin -> RE: Is Britain going to have to end happy hour? (11/23/2008 11:24:00 AM)
Very True colouredin, when you do go to a pub, it's not just the atmosphere, but the glasses, the heating, the staff, the cooling, the cleaning, the seating, the insurance, often the sad decor, all that has to be paid for, so perhaps if all that came out of beer profits then fair enough, the cost of a pint is paying for that, but then not everyone wants that, they would rather their own comforts in their own home. Why should people who wish to drink at home pay pub prices, when it is none of that extra money goes to paying for their own house ? Or is it, by making alcohol pub priced, it is a cynical attempt to force people out to the businesses that sell alcohol ? just a thought. I think what it is with the UK and it's love of alcohol, it is that we all, or at least a large proportion of the public are in reality what might be called half way to secret alcoholics, we were brought up with the stuff, it has always been around, therefore we expect it to be around, like it always has, perhaps as far back as man first discovered the by product of festering vegetation.

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