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Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 1:38:08 PM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		As the economic recession deepens the US faces more violence on the US - Mexico border from the escalating drug wars in Mexico.  This is another compelling reason to bring back our troops from Iraq.  The National Guard, especially, needs to be here in the US.

 In Mexico's Drug War, Bad Cops Are a Mounting Problem By TIM PADGETT WITH DOLLY MASCARENAS / MEXICO CITY Tim Padgett With Dolly Mascarenas / Mexico City – Sat Nov 22, 2:35 am ET 
"The cartels, which run a $25 billion-a-year trafficking industry in Mexico, have also intensified their campaign of co-opting police. Not that Mexico's woefully undertrained and underpaid cops are that hard a mark. But the relentless revelations of the breadth of the corruption - including allegations that officers under Mexico's Public Security Minister, Genaro Garcia Luna, were involved in high-profile kidnappings - seem to make a mockery of Calderon's efforts to stamp it out. "This is Calderon's Iraq," says Sergio Aguayo, a security expert at the Colegio de Mexico in Mexico City. "He declared war against the cartels, but he wasn't prepared for the size of the threat the cartels turned out to represent." Many cases in the latest purge, which is indeed called "Operation Housecleaning," are based on the testimony of an unidentified cartel informant in U.S. custody. Still, Calderon faces critics who worry the arrests are an attempt by the Mexican president to find scapegoats for his anti-drug quagmire and to secure U.S. anti-drug aid.


The cartels' ability to infiltrate officialdom has grown so convincing that many Mexicans have trouble believing the government's assertion that a fiery Learjet crash this month on a busy Mexico City avenue - which killed Calderon's Interior Minister and de facto Vice President, Juan Camilo Mourino, and top security adviser Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos - was an accident and not narco sabotage. And that dwindling public confidence has done nothing to help the Calderon administration fend off the effects of the global economic crisis. The Mexican peso has lost about a fifth of its value this year against the U.S. dollar."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081122/wl_time/08599186129600;_ylt=AleGzMyIQ6ocBAHDwRrRXjr9xg8F

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 5:42:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Now isn't the time to be finishing that fence, Ven.  From what I hear, and see driving past Home Depo, a lot of the illegal immigrants are crossing back the other way.


      And we could put an almost immediate stop to a lot of violence and corruption worldwide if we would come to our senses about U.S. drug policy.

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 5:53:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well Rich failing to do that(which btw don't hold your breath on that)we might want to look to our own house first.We spend a fortune in interdiction,in enlisting cooperation from South and Central American Governments...and a pittence in rehab and education concerning addiction.As long as American's continue to consume illegal drugs i such astounding quantities the supply will keep flowing north.

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 8:29:45 PM   
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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 8:32:43 PM   
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when canada gets a real amy then you can talk shit


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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 8:34:27 PM   
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Nice sentiments huh, CanaDomme.


Haha totally. I went to school with mostly Americans, and have worked with Americans, and I know the majority aren't retarded, but the few that are sure are loud about it.

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 8:59:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		That Mexican border needs to be closed.
Hopefully President Obama will be dealing with this situation much more forcefully than Bush ever did.
Bush's neglect of securing that border is criminal in my opinion.

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 9:01:57 PM   
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That Mexican border needs to be closed.
Hopefully President Obama will be dealing with this situation much more forcefully than Bush ever did.
Bush's neglect of securing that border is criminal in my opinion.


Do you mean closed as in "no one crosses it ever?" What about people vacationing? And people who moved there legally going back to visit their families? I've always been really confused about how that border works. The only people who ever sneak across the Canadian border are criminals trying to escape here haha, everyone else just drives.

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 9:17:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that the border needs to be secured and new immigration policies needs to happen soon.  The escalating violence does not stay on one side or the other.  I was hoping you would comment in this thread, Popeye.
 
EXCLUSIVE: Border drug wars threaten U.S.
'Deadly force' spills over from Mexico
Jerry Seper 
Wednesday, September 3, 2008
"Written by the Arizona Counter Terrorism Information Center (AcTIC) and the High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) Investigative Support Center, the report also said the drug cartels are expected to hire members of deadly street gangs now in this country, including Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), to "carry out acts of violence against cartel members in the U.S."
 
"U.S. law enforcement and first responders need to maintain a heightened awareness at all times," the report said.
 
According to the report, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times, cartel members and police officials in Mexico, in a bid to spare their families from the violence that has overwhelmed many Mexican border towns, could begin relocating them to the United States, resulting in more homicides and home invasions along the southwestern border, increased availability of high-powered weapons to Mexican drug smugglers already in the U.S., and the potential for the family members to continue drug operations in the U.S."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/03/mexican-drug-wars-threaten-us/



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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
That Mexican border needs to be closed.
Hopefully President Obama will be dealing with this situation much more forcefully than Bush ever did.
Bush's neglect of securing that border is criminal in my opinion.


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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 9:46:56 PM   
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      Now isn't the time to be finishing that fence, Ven.  From what I hear, and see driving past Home Depo, a lot of the illegal immigrants are crossing back the other way.

What are your ideas on how to secure the border?

     And we could put an almost immediate stop to a lot of violence and corruption worldwide if we would come to our senses about U.S. drug policy.

Could you be more specific please?


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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 10:44:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     Now isn't the time to be finishing that fence, Ven.  From what I hear, and see driving past Home Depo, a lot of the illegal immigrants are crossing back the other way.

What are your ideas on how to secure the border?

    And we could put an almost immediate stop to a lot of violence and corruption worldwide if we would come to our senses about U.S. drug policy.

Could you be more specific please?




           The best way to secure our southern border is to not have an impoverished, corrupt, third world country on the other side.  There need to be jobs there.  Corruption needs to be a crime, instead of the norm.

         Now if we just want to stop the illegal crossing on the border, and put on the cold-blooded pragmatist hats, it's pretty easy.  First we deploy 100 or so sniper teams in likely places, and not so likely ones too.  Use attack helicopters to take out vehicles.  Once the word gets out about that, the volume will drop to something we can manage with electronic surveillance and response teams.  The Presidents lawyers could probably draw up paperwork for it to be legal (for long enough, anyway) in about 10 minutes.

          I would also favor a good guest-worker program, where they check in, work for a while, and check back out.


      The other question is a biggie.  Shortest answer is that we need to legalize drugs, and drastically revamp how we regulate them. 

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 10:46:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		All good points Rich. 

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 10:55:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Unfortunately, the only way I can think of to create a climate where change can occur down there involves the President calling the commanders of a few bases in the southwest, and saying ROAD TRIP!

      

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 10:56:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is pretty much the same scenario I envision. 

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 11:17:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does anyone recall the cases of two Border Patrol agents apprehending an illegal, and a drug smuggler, by shooting him during a chase? They were both brought up on charges and have ended up  in prison. I forget the details. At the time it seemed like lunacy. Wasn't apprehending illegals and drug smugglers their primary job?

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 11:19:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Short of that, what if we cut off a big chunk of the illegal money?  Put the drug cartels out of business with the stroke of a pen?  It wouldn't solve all the problems to our south, but it might give those who want to fix things a fighting chance.

      I'd really better not get started on drug policy, or I'll never get to bed

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 11:24:05 PM   
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Does anyone recall the cases of two Border Patrol agents apprehending an illegal, and a drug smuggler, by shooting him during a chase? They were both brought up on charges and have ended up  in prison. I forget the details. At the time it seemed like lunacy. Wasn't apprehending illegals and drug smugglers their primary job?

Uncle Nasty


Yeah but it's my understanding that they're not supposed to use guns unless they think theres a risk of immediate danger to themselves or other people. Like, if the guy ran across the border shooting, yeah, shoot him. But if he's running in the opposite direction of people, and you shoot him in the back, there's an issue.

I could be wrong about how the law works down there, but if an American were trying to sneak into Canada and someone shot them, there would be a huge public outcry and whoever did the shooting would for sure be brought up on charges.

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 11:39:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Funny that those two guys would be mentioned as I just read about them in the link that Nosathro posted on potential Presidential pardons from Bush.


"Texas Border Patrol guards: good chance. Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are serving sentences of 11 and 12 years, respectively, for the nonfatal shooting in the back of an unarmed Mexican drug runner in February 2005. A jury found that the two border patrolmen then tried to cover up the shooting. Their requests for pardons have won support from numerous Republican congressmen, including Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, who introduced the Congressional Pardon for Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean Act. Bush left open the possibility of pardons for both men during an interview with a Texas TV station."

http://www.slate.com/id/2204984/?GT1=38001

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 11:47:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could cure this in ten seconds. As President of the US I write an executive order thus :

Any and all drug laws are null and void and this government will support and defend it's Citizen's rights to take into their body whatever they please. They will be held accountable for their actions however and any sort of intoxication does not, has not nor will hold up as a valid excuse.

Now if they come over here shooting at each other endangering our people, we just shoot them all. We can have a daily truckload of bodies, no problem. We reinvented war here, if there is one thing we know it's how to kill. Let's do it. At customs :

"Business or pleasure ?"
"Pleasure"
"Anything to declare ?"
"Forty kilos of fine weed"
"Sorry Sir, that has to go down as business"
"Why is that ?"
"There is no way you could smoke all that in any reasonable amount of time"
"Oh OK I see Sir"
"On your way now, have a nice day".

Problem solved, case closed. You know they put people in jail for dealing drugs. Think about it he is not stealing anything. He has a product and people are buying. When he goes to jail what do you think you are doing rehabilitating him ? First of all you can get drugs in jail all day long. Some tell me that when it goes dry on the outside they can still get it. I'm told that you can get anything almost in there you can get out here. Certain exceptions, like beer is hard because it is not cost effective, but you can get whiskey. You can get weed, coke, crack, smack, acid, just about anything. From what I hear the only thing you can't get is titties, literally. A boy can lay face down and as long as you don't peek you can pretend you are doing your olady from the rear. No wonder they are not afraid to go back.

Let the government end the drug war once and for all. You can do whatever you want, we don't care, we will deal with whoever is left alive after a couple of years. Guess what, I will be here. I have no need nor want for it, except on a very occasional basis. It is a damn shame that people get hooked, but I didn't create the problem. Let them kill themselves on the stuff, the problem will partially solve itself. Let a few of them kill each other and lock the living up. They do that anyway.

Mexican drug dealers are not the problem. They come with goods that people want to buy, otherwise they wouldn't come. Read that again, otherwise they woudn't come. But they should keep their wars on their own turf. I have no problems other than that, they are not taking our jobs, or having a shitload of kids here to draw off the taxpayer's trough, they make their money and go. How could you have a problem with that ? The problems come mainly from the criminalization of a plant that was put here by nature, and for some reason certain people think they have the right to tell others what to do.

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RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border - 11/23/2008 11:55:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Making drugs legal and removing the cartels has been purposed for a while but the business of keeping the jails and courts and prisons full seems too profitable.
 
The whole situation is Prohibition all over again but with more lethal weapons.


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      Short of that, what if we cut off a big chunk of the illegal money?  Put the drug cartels out of business with the stroke of a pen?  It wouldn't solve all the problems to our south, but it might give those who want to fix things a fighting chance.

     I'd really better not get started on drug policy, or I'll never get to bed


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