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CalifChick -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 11:43:51 AM)

Yes, but can you actually BE the motorcycle?


Cali




Rover -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 11:43:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Did you have parents growing up?  Have you ever been employed?  Were you part of a team with a coach?

Yes, on all three counts. But neither my parents, past employers nor my coach ever flogged me or used nipple clamps or a crop or cane. None of them blindfolded me and dripped hot wax on me. And only my high school basketball coach ever tied me up and forced me to perform fellatio.


You do realize, of course, that what you're describing is bottoming and not submission.
 
John




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 11:44:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rover

From an intellectual standpoint, you will learn about how you process and interpret what you feel (either physically, mentally, emotionally, etc) which will teach you something about yourself.  Nothing wrong with that at all.  But it won't tell you anything about what it feels like to someone else, particularly someone with an entirely different mindset (ie: submissive).  So I'd have to wonder what value it would (or could) be if that were your objective.

Thank you. That's probably the most salient comment I've yet read.




Lockit -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 11:45:20 AM)

Maybe I misunderstood. lol That has been known to happen! lol  I think if you are wanting to explore and could entertain the thought that you might want or need more and are not hard core.. I am a dominant and dominant only... it would be beneficial to explore.  You might just find that many doors open and a whole lot of wonderful experiences.

I know I left myself open in my post and didn't cover 'switch', but that is the something more I was talking about.  I do believe one can be switch and I know and love a number of switches! lol  Different situation altogether! lol

I hope you find what you seek!




BitaTruble -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 11:46:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding

When it comes to individual submissives, yes, that is absolutely the way to do it. But I'm talking more about the collective mindset, not about any one individual.


There isn't one and trying to discover what that mythical beast is by actually putting yourself into those shoes isn't going to work at all. At best, you'd simply discover parts of your own nature but you will garner exactly 'zero' information on any collective mindset for the submissive population.




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 11:48:46 AM)

Thank you to all (or at least most) who have posted. I think it comes down to this...

You've made me see that doing this is unlikely to make me understand the submissive mindset any better than I do now. It's not going to make me a better Dom.

If I decide to do this, I now know that I'd be doing it just for the experience - because I am "wired that way".




BitaTruble -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 11:52:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding

Thank you to all (or at least most) who have posted. I think it comes down to this...

You've made me see that doing this is unlikely to make me understand the submissive mindset any better than I do now. It's not going to make me a better Dom.

If I decide to do this, I now know that I'd be doing it just for the experience - because I am "wired that way".


[:)] I hope you keep posting. An open mind and refreshing viewpoints are always welcomed by me.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:07:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding
Thanks for the creepy Silence of the Lambs imagery. Obviously you have zero insight of who I am or what makes me tick, but that's OK. I explained what I meant by "cannot comprehend the mindset" in a previous post. You took it differently than I meant it. It's more like saying, "I can't understand how anyone could have voted for McCain/Obama." Clearly you can, if you try - but the thought of doing so is utterly and completely foreign to you.


True, zero insight, and the creepy Silence of the Lambs imagery was a bit over the top.  I apologize for that, my style of writing and my sense of humor sometimes comes across as entirely wrong. 

I still don't follow how a dominant doesn't comprehend the submissive mindset.  They are typically so good at figuring out how we tick, that I would be very surprised to find out that it was a common thing for a dominant to not understand the mindset of the submissive.  I guesss I understand that what you were saying is you can't relate or appreciate it on a personal and visceral level. 

The analogy was interesting, and on the surface makes sense....but as Cali said, can you BE the motorcycle?  Taking it apart, knowing every inch of the motorcycle won't make you one....

Hmm, if you get on all fours, and let someone ride you- maybe you can?  The next question that comes to mind...is can you manage to purr between the thighs for the one riding you?

See what I mean about how my thinking is entirely wrong sometimes?

WinD




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:27:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

The collective mindset of the submissive?  Wow, I'm not sure that's a safe place for anyone to go to!  I get scared when two or more of us are gathered together.  Collectively, you're screwed.

LOL!




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:31:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Yes, but can you actually BE the motorcycle?

Love your wit. The literal answer to your question is obvious, but ask anyone who lives to ride (I've been riding since I was 8) and s/he'll tell you that there is a certain zen-like oneness that you have with your bike when riding.




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:34:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rover

You do realize, of course, that what you're describing is bottoming and not submission.

Do the semantics somehow reframe the issue? A rose by any other name would still have its thorns.




persephonee -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:41:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Did you have parents growing up?  Have you ever been employed?  Were you part of a team with a coach?

Yes, on all three counts. But neither my parents, past employers nor my coach ever flogged me or used nipple clamps or a crop or cane. None of them blindfolded me and dripped hot wax on me. And only my high school basketball coach ever tied me up and forced me to perform fellatio.


Heyyyy...i knew you looked familiar....did he give you an A too???[:D]




persephonee -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:49:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding

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ORIGINAL: Rover

You do realize, of course, that what you're describing is bottoming and not submission.

Do the semantics somehow reframe the issue? A rose by any other name would still have its thorns.


Semantics do reframe any issue...but this is not a vocabulary question...you know the difference between bottoming and submission....and if not, google it.[;)]





DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:50:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

True, zero insight, and the creepy Silence of the Lambs imagery was a bit over the top.  I apologize for that, my style of writing and my sense of humor sometimes comes across as entirely wrong. 

No harm done.
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I still don't follow how a dominant doesn't comprehend the submissive mindset.  They are typically so good at figuring out how we tick

One needs only be a good communicator and observer to figure out how another ticks. Consider the people who do this to an extreme, and for a living- FBI profilers. Surely they understand what makes serial killers tick. They undertand why such people do what they do. Yet surely, they must regularly say (to themselves if no one else), "How can someone do such things?" (And with that, I apologize for the creepy comparison.)
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I guesss I understand that what you were saying is you can't relate or appreciate it on a personal and visceral level. 

Precisely, and well said. Thanks for putting it better than I have thus far managed to.
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as Cali said, can you BE the motorcycle?  Taking it apart, knowing every inch of the motorcycle won't make you one....

No, but the act of doing so can certainly make you feel a connection with the machine. And make you feel as though all is right in the world.
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The next question that comes to mind...is can you manage to purr between the thighs for the one riding you?
Honey, if you're riding a motorcycle that purrs, you're on the wrong kind of bike! [:D] To answer your question, though, I'd sure be willing to give that a try! [;)]




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:52:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: persephonee

Heyyyy...i knew you looked familiar....did he give you an A too???[:D]

You got an A?! I got a B-!!! lol




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:57:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: persephonee

Semantics do reframe any issue...but this is not a vocabulary question...you know the difference between bottoming and submission....and if not, google it.[;)]
Only if you allow the issue to be reframed. Regardless of semantics, I think the discussion here is clear.




DannyDemanding -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 12:58:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

[:)] I hope you keep posting.

Happy to oblige! [;)]




persephonee -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 1:04:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding

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ORIGINAL: persephonee

Heyyyy...i knew you looked familiar....did he give you an A too???[:D]

You got an A?! I got a B-!!! lol


Yeah, id give you pointers....but we have already established that you couldnt possibly understand completely....[:D]. Dont sweat it, he was later fired when they found him in the supply closet of the gym, playing with his balls.




Rover -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 1:05:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DannyDemanding

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ORIGINAL: Rover

You do realize, of course, that what you're describing is bottoming and not submission.

Do the semantics somehow reframe the issue? A rose by any other name would still have its thorns.


Yes and no.  It's possible for anyone *be* a bottom, including a Dominant.  But it's not possible to *be* a submissive, if that's not your orientation.
 
But you're correct in that even in being a bottom, it would only teach you about how you process the activity.  Not how anyone else may do so.
 
John




BKSir -> RE: Ever try the other side? (11/24/2008 1:11:32 PM)

Every now and then, a bit...  But I think Rover put it very very well.  I'm not submissive, but I do, on the very rare occasion 'bottom'.

That being said, I HAVE been a sub in the past, when I first began to experience and experiment with this lifestyle.  It wasn't who I am, but, it was a very very valuable learning experience, and I look upon it fondly and it brought me a good understanding of what 'the other side' might be thinking and feeling and wanting I think.

It brings to mind a lovely song...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZdlnqxFWpE




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