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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 2:13:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		In as covoluded system such as ours you want the future in the hands of amatuers? Where is it you would find those to undertake such a task? I do understand your point on "professional politicians" but, I also think many who aren't, would be eaten alive, frustrated beyond belief and wouldn't last long in position. Would you nominate those who are high rated GS emplyees? Wouldn't they also have agendas? Bring them in from local governments? What solution for the system would you see as workable? There are many who have high ranks within Departments without being department heads like the new guy to replace Paulson, would you see those types as the answer?


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 2:19:04 PM   
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I meant "our" as in Americans plural.  No offense intended, NG, apologies for any misunderstandings.



No problem, V - my mistake.

Well, economists themselves don't fully understand the nature of and the solutions to the boom and bust cycle.  

Tax cuts? Increased borrowing to stimulate the economy? A mix? The Keynsian model has worked and has failed in the past.

There's no magic wand here; recessions tend to take their time in burning themselves out, regardless of the measures taken.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 2:28:36 PM   
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In as covoluded system such as ours you want the future in the hands of amatuers? Where is it you would find those to undertake such a task? I do understand your point on "professional politicians" but, I also think many who aren't, would be eaten alive, frustrated beyond belief and wouldn't last long in position. Would you nominate those who are high rated GS emplyees? Wouldn't they also have agendas? Bring them in from local governments? What solution for the system would you see as workable? There are many who have high ranks within Departments without being department heads like the new guy to replace Paulson, would you see those types as the answer?


Really? With the President elected on a mandate of change, you think he wouldn't be able to facilitate it with personnel coming from outside government?

First of all, ANY Bureau chief or department head should be disqualified, based upon one fact - they've never succeeded. If they did, their Bureau, wouldn't be needed any more.

That said, why not bring in successful business people? The only reason the Federal government differs from business is that it can print money. Putting in a pragmatic bottom line business philosophy would be a change I'd like to see. If Congress refuses to go along, a Congress with less than 10% approval, go direct to the people and use some of that 'equity' that would only be strengthened by standing against the status quo. The alternative that is being represented by PE Obama so far, subscribing to the status quo, it is not creating confidence in the people, or the economy.

The uncertainty is a huge part of the economic problem; PE Obama's flip flopping on the tax cut and +$250k tax rate - is adding to that uncertainty. Business will adapt and will function in any market, under any circumstance, except one - the unknown.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 2:29:23 PM   
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In as covoluded system such as ours you want the future in the hands of amateurs?

Having seen the bang up job the "pros" have done, sure, why not? How could amateurs do any worse?

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 3:49:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		They`re set to expire anyway,in 0-10, if I recall.

This is just samantics.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 3:54:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

They`re set to expire anyway,in 0-10, if I recall.

This is just semantics.

Like 'change'?

I don't know Owner, in 2 years Congress could look completely different. Again appreciating how early in the process we are, if things don't change as expected; the plurality can change again very dramatically.

Oh, and thanks for the chuckle! In light of recent events, your tag line quote of Senator Clinton generated one.

PS - I know the Democrats were able to confuse and befuddle the masses saying their majority in both houses for the past 2 years wasn't a majority that could stop funding Iraq and most of the fools believed that. However, do you think that excuse will still be swallowed when the majority of both houses and the President are all on the same team? 

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 4:05:53 PM   
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Senate rules say otherwise Merc,but you know that.We`ve been over this.

The bullshit machine, is where you got that notion you just regurgitated.

Maybe you can explain to us why a Senator can block(Filibuster)a bill/law that passed w/ a majority of less that 60 Senate votes.

<waits patiently>

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 4:14:21 PM   
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Senate rules say otherwise Merc,but you know that.We`ve been over this.

The bullshit machine, is where you got that notion you just regurgitated.

Maybe you can explain to us why a Senator can block(Filibuster)a bill/law that passed w/ a majority of less that 60 Senate votes.

<waits patiently>

"Bullshit machine" addresses all the points as expected.

Regarding the false point of filibuster funding is a simple  - Just vote no to funding - no money no war QED. You see Owner, there had to be a positive vote to CONTINUE funding. I know you don't like that pointed out - but that's reality. You got to live with it - just like living with PE Obama putting a retro looking Clinton/Bush administration in place. 

Hows that for an explanation? Oh and if there is no call for a vote that also equals no money too. However since we have a PE and a Secretary of State who voted in favor of the continuation through next spring...

FOUR MORE YEARS!

More semantics? Or another succinctly put non response of "bullshit machine"?

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 4:19:06 PM   
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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 6:37:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		 what amazes me is PE Obama attacked Hillary Clinton on her foreign policy!  Now he is going to appoint her as his foreign policy Gal!

LOL!  Hill voted for the war in Iraq and he didn't!  blows my little mind!  yes it does!

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 6:39:15 PM   
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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 6:48:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Neither does passive aggressive hoping for the worst in this time of crisis so they can say "I told you so." How very very childish and unpatriotic.

I would think after the past dismal, dark and truly reckless 8 years these whiners would hope for the best and want the best for this fragile Nation. Apparently not, so when Obama cleans up this fucking Bush mess like Clinton did,  they can shut up and not say "well, I was supporting him too!".  

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:00:54 PM   
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Apparently not, so when Obama cleans up this fucking Bush mess like Clinton did

Little worry on that score.  He won't.  His "advisors" all seem to be the Clintonistas who help create the "mess" to begin with.

Rahm Emmanuel--Clinton fundraiser and the Democratic Party's version of Frank Nitti.
Lawrence Summers--Clinton Treasury Secretary
Billary Clinton
Eric Holder--remember Marc Rich?

Oh, and for a non-Clintonista, Tom Daschle for HHS--who's been a lobbyist for a variety of big healthcare concerns (CVS CareMark, Abbott Laboratories, HealthSouth, and others, to the tune of $5.8 million this year).  So much for banning lobbyists from the Administration.

Clean up the mess?  He IS the mess.


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only a republican would blame a man not yet in office and ignore a decade of horrific "leadership"...You guys are amazing. Nice try.

Bush will go down in history as one of our worst president's ever. I am glad I don't have any little one's to ask me in their youth "Hey what in hell  where you guys thinking?!?!" Twice.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:15:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its funny, from the news this evening in toronto, there was speculation on the rally on the Stock Exchange , not only in the US SE but also the Canadian SE, and one of the "experts" stated a lot of it had to do with the  the members Obama has "recruited" for his team as the main reason....even tho Citi was obviously a factor.
Aynne I agree with ya:) im happily waiting to see what happens
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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:21:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Me too Lucy! I absolutely am hoping for the best and have such an optimisitic feeling. Let the whiners whine, but you would think they would at least wait for him to be sworn in before they start.  

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:34:05 PM   
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Neither does passive aggressive hoping for the worst in this time of crisis so they can say "I told you so." How very very childish and unpatriotic.

I would think after the past dismal, dark and truly reckless 8 years these whiners would hope for the best and want the best for this fragile Nation. Apparently not, so when Obama cleans up this fucking Bush mess like Clinton did,  they can shut up and not say "well, I was supporting him too!".  


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:41:05 PM   
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Come on, V, he knew what was what during the election campaign; this isn't a sudden awakening.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:42:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		i heard the NYSE's better numbers today was due to the Citi bailout.  during the Obama press conference the NYSE dropped 100 points.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 7:54:25 PM   
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First of all, ANY Bureau chief or department head should be disqualified, based upon one fact - they've never succeeded. If they did, their Bureau, wouldn't be needed any more.

Wow...just...wow.

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