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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 8:07:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Senate rules say otherwise Merc,but you know that.We`ve been over this.

The bullshit machine, is where you got that notion you just regurgitated.

Maybe you can explain to us why a Senator can block(Filibuster)a bill/law that passed w/ a majority of less that 60 Senate votes.

<waits patiently>

"Bullshit machine" addresses all the points as expected.

Regarding the false point of filibuster funding is a simple  - Just vote no to funding - no money no war QED. You see Owner, there had to be a positive vote to CONTINUE funding. I know you don't like that pointed out - but that's reality. You got to live with it - just like living with PE Obama putting a retro looking Clinton/Bush administration in place. 

Hows that for an explanation? Oh and if there is no call for a vote that also equals no money too. However since we have a PE and a Secretary of State who voted in favor of the continuation through next spring...

FOUR MORE YEARS!

More semantics? Or another succinctly put non response of "bullshit machine"?



It`s obviously about sour grapes,a sea-going tanker full and very, very hard feelings from the losers.


I`ve never heard of someone being accused of falsely promising to raise taxes, in order to get elected......to then be accused of reneging.


The guys not even in office yet.....and he`s getting attracted.(yet Wall street goes up every time the guy makes a move or cabinet pick.Never see the complainers mentioning that,though......)


I won`t wait for you to acknowledge Obama when he does turn things around,even though you`ll probably directly benefit from a stronger,growing economy.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 8:15:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no hope of obama cleaning anything up. I have no hope in anyone who hires as his advisers insiders, former senators, and former department heads. MercandBeth have the right idea, I'd rather have complete outsiders. The nation is not that fragile. We've endured alot worse than this, and in my opinion, most of this problem is from collasul clusterfucks in DC and NYC. I am an american, and yes obama is president. I don't like the man. I think he will go down as one of the most hypocritical presidents ever. have fun.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 8:17:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


Senate rules say otherwise Merc,but you know that.We`ve been over this.

The bullshit machine, is where you got that notion you just regurgitated.

Maybe you can explain to us why a Senator can block(Filibuster)a bill/law that passed w/ a majority of less that 60 Senate votes.

<waits patiently>

"Bullshit machine" addresses all the points as expected.

Regarding the false point of filibuster funding is a simple  - Just vote no to funding - no money no war QED. You see Owner, there had to be a positive vote to CONTINUE funding. I know you don't like that pointed out - but that's reality. You got to live with it - just like living with PE Obama putting a retro looking Clinton/Bush administration in place. 

Hows that for an explanation? Oh and if there is no call for a vote that also equals no money too. However since we have a PE and a Secretary of State who voted in favor of the continuation through next spring...

FOUR MORE YEARS!

More semantics? Or another succinctly put non response of "bullshit machine"?



It`s obviously about sour grapes,a sea-going tanker full and very, very hard feeling from the losers.


I`ve never heard of someone being accused of falsely promising to raise taxes, in order to get elected......to then be accused of reneging.


The guys not even in office yet.....and he`s getting attracted.(yet Wall street goes up every time the guy makes a move or cabinet pick.Never see the complainers mentioning that,though......)


I won`t wait for you to acknowledge Obama when he does turn things around,even though you`ll probably directly benefit from a stronger,growing economy.



How long till the economy gets better then under obama? 6 months? a year? It doesnt happen overnight, not even with the messiah at the helm.


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 8:21:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I won`t wait for you to acknowledge Obama when he does turn things around,even though you`ll probably directly benefit from a stronger,growing economy.

Didn't you get the memo?  If the economy improves, it's because Bush's masterful economic policies "finally took effect"



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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 8:40:00 PM   
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Bush will go down in history as one of our worst president's ever.

Actually, no he won't.  George W. Bush has not been a great president, but he's far from the worst.  Carter and LBJ are definitely farther south on the list of bad Presidents than him.

As for blaming Bush for the current financial wreckage, you really need to look at when the housing bubble began, and who signed the laws that set the stage.  Hint:  it wasn't George W. Bush.


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 8:49:57 PM   
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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 8:51:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I won`t wait for you to acknowledge Obama when he does turn things around,even though you`ll probably directly benefit from a stronger,growing economy.

Didn't you get the memo?  If the economy improves, it's because Bush's masterful economic policies "finally took effect"





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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 9:19:18 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		That Carter was a bad president is a myth pushed by republicans.

I`ve never heard his critics explain just how it was that he was so bad.

By every measure and standard,Bush is hands down the worst president in recent history.

Though I`m pleased that he`s ruined the republican party,I`m not happy about the damage he`s caused America in order to do that.

If I could remake things,I`d much rather re-create the good economy we had and live w/ a strong republican party.That I could deal with.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 9:34:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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Bush will go down in history as one of our worst president's ever.

Actually, no he won't.

Actually he already has:

61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

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As for blaming Bush for the current financial wreckage, you really need to look at when the housing bubble began, and who signed the laws that set the stage.  Hint:  it wasn't George W. Bush.


What President Clinton signed was a massive (15,000 page) Congressional appropriations bill, necessary to fund the Federal government, passed on the last day Congress was in session.  Buried in this bill (and added at the last minute when no one had time to read it) was a 264-page amendment which allowed unregulated portfolio insurance known as credit default swaps.  Without the sub-industry this amendment created, the bailout would have been around $70 billion rather than $700 billion.

Who tacked on that amendment?  None other than Sen. Phil Gramm (R), aka one of John McCain's chief financial advisors (until his "Americans are whiners" comment got him booted off the campaign temporarily)


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 9:48:16 PM   
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Gramm was slated to be president McCain`s Treasury Secretary.

Un-believable and outrageous,but true.

Imagine Treasury Secretary Phil Gramm........Scary isn`t it?

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 10:46:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		a) ask yourself where the money for the stimulus package will come from.
b) ask yourself what will pay for government programs if not tax money.
c) ask yourself whether or not what the government will do to pay for its programs will be more or less detrimental than not giving people a stimulus plan/cutting taxes.


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 10:49:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

I expect any politician make adjustments and compromises while in office.  It is the natue of the trade.  Can you provide an example of someone who fulfilled 100% of their stated goals and items on their agenda once they took office?


http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296

there ya go.


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 11:04:24 PM   
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Yes it is.  Anyone who deals with budgets for a living knows.........



Knows that you plan ahead, and where you seriously misjudge the situation either:

a) Your judgement isn't sound, and you're in desperate need of new advisors or

b)  You haven't misjudged the situation at all.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/24/2008 11:34:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Senate rules say otherwise Merc,but you know that.We`ve been over this.The bullshit machine, is where you got that notion you just regurgitated. Maybe you can explain to us why a Senator can block(Filibuster)a bill/law that passed w/ a majority of less that 60 Senate votes.
<waits patiently>
"Bullshit machine" addresses all the points as expected.
Regarding the false point of filibuster funding is a simple  - Just vote no to funding - no money no war QED. You see Owner, there had to be a positive vote to CONTINUE funding. I know you don't like that pointed out - but that's reality. You got to live with it - just like living with PE Obama putting a retro looking Clinton/Bush administration in place. 

Hows that for an explanation? Oh and if there is no call for a vote that also equals no money too. However since we have a PE and a Secretary of State who voted in favor of the continuation through next spring...

FOUR MORE YEARS!

More semantics? Or another succinctly put non response of "bullshit machine"?

It`s obviously about sour grapes,a sea-going tanker full and very, very hard feelings from the losers.
I`ve never heard of someone being accused of falsely promising to raise taxes, in order to get elected......to then be accused of reneging.
The guys not even in office yet.....and he`s getting attracted.(yet Wall street goes up every time the guy makes a move or cabinet pick.Never see the complainers mentioning that,though......)
I won`t wait for you to acknowledge Obama when he does turn things around,even though you`ll probably directly benefit from a stronger,growing economy.


You must be projecting again Owner. Who's better represents a "sour grapes" "loser"; me a person who had no horse in the race or a person who bought the rhetoric hook line and sinker and now gets to see by the point made by the OP and the people involved in the projected Administration - no 'change'?

As in the Iraq funding and control issue that you've given no response - its better just to project an alternative universe than the one your candidate, and soon our President is projecting. However, I wouldn't disagree that I'll benefit, as you project, from a stronger, growing economy based upon the status quo of governmental management. Four more years of the same - no matter who was elected - was what I saw forthcoming. I just didn't think PE Obama would cave so quickly.

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/25/2008 1:52:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure if I am seeing naivety or hard headedness. To expect out government to be transformed over night by a President Elect and simply by stepping outside of the normal channels of the government is hard to fathom. I do not see where the moves made by PE Obama have been anything but strong and rather calculated.
Hillary Clinton, intelligent, quick study, ball busting bitch that can get things done? ....Rham Emmanuel....Knows the House, understands how the White house operates, driven, ball busting prick, ....Timothy Geithner, Strong background, experience with the Treasury and the Fed, not an idealist, NOT A POLITICIAN, has the markets confidence, ....Larry Summers, Understands the Treasury...has experience as a successfull Secretary of the Treasury...macro economics specialist...not known for social skills...known to get things done and isn't concerned with image....Eric Holder, strong Litigator, selected by none other than Ronald Reagan for the position as Superior Court Judge for DC, served as Assistant Attorney General for the U.S. strong prosecutorial background, has a history in international advising as a private attorney.
Tom Daschle, political hack....must have photos of Obama in a dashiki, smoking dope with Bill Ayres and The Rev.....I'll give you the last one....but the others I have no problem with....As for the tax issue....let it ride through experation...it's not a bad thing!

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/25/2008 6:27:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Hint: Clinton Obsession is not healthy. Been gone for a decade CL. Time to blame Bush and puppetmaster Dick.

Not obsessed at all.  Bush was not a great President.  He fucked a few things up.

The housing and credit debacles, however, originated before he took office.  Unlike the "Bush is the worst President ever" nonsense, that is fact, not fiction.

For those addicted to blame, when it comes to the economy, blame Congress, blame Clinton, especially blame all the damned idiots who believed they would never actually have to pay their debts (and that foolishness extends far beyond Wall Street, as evidence by the number of "subprime" mortgages floating around).  There's plenty of legitimate criticism to be hurled in those directions.


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/25/2008 6:30:57 AM   
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That Carter was a bad president is a myth pushed by republicans.

Stagflation.
"Malaise"
Iran
Afghanistan

Unlike Bush, Carter was a fuckup from start to finish, who continued to celebrate his fucking up after he left office by going to places like Haiti and pretending to be a U.S diplomat.


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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/25/2008 6:52:18 AM   
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Sorry Merc,you`re just not being honest.

But you are entertaining at times,this being one.

Why I`m I supposed to disppointed again?

Cuz I`m not.  lol

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/25/2008 7:13:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
I am not sure if I am seeing naivety or hard headedness.

None of the above - it's simple pragmatism. I'm not reading anything into the reality of what has been disclosed by PE Obama. However, pragmatically it's not what was represented in the campaign. The surprise isn't that there isn't any meaningful 'change' or "outsiders". The surprise is that there are nothing but "insiders" and no 'change'. 

However, I'll stipulate to "strong" and "calculated" and add agenda based to the status quo Washington insiders 
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
"no horse in the race"
Sorry Merc,you`re just not being honest.
But you are entertaining at times,this being one.
Why I`m I supposed to disppointed again?
Cuz I`m not.  lol

I'm being as honest as you saying that PE Obama is putting in position people and policies you expected. Is there a need to quote your prior posts and positions regarding the tax cuts and/or the +$250k income tax hike in support of PE Obama's pre-election rhetoric?

Didn't know you were disappointed before; but - Good for you! I appreciated that you accept your party and what was represented in the election has been dramatically changed after winning.

Nobody who likes and enjoys the status quo should be disappointed. I'm just surprised. You're not?  
  • Continuation of the tax cut for, at least, 2 years.
  • Another 'economic stimulus' check promised.
  • Continuing the Iraq War (BTW - why are you off that fraudulent position about the 60 vote required majority?)
  • Same faces, same policies in the White House and more 'Clinton-ist' policy and back room politics.
  • PAC special interest people in position of leadership.

That's what you expected? Based upon your expectation of that result I guess the question about actually believing PE Obama's rhetoric has already been answered. Apparently I believed him more so than you.  
FOUR MORE YEARS!

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RE: Obama likely to not repeal Bush Tax Cuts - 11/25/2008 7:15:39 AM   
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Stagflation. I`ll take what ever you guys called those economic times over today`s,anytime.And so would America.I think the national debt was like a half trillion,before Reagan quadrupled it.

"Malaise" -I guess you prefer "bring`m on" and Mission Accomplished".lol Carter didn`t needlessly waste the lives of over 4000 good men and women,like your dearest one has.

Iran -That was Nixon`s fault.Perhaps you long for the days of SAVAK again.We don`t.

Afghanistan -Umm,that was the soviets,if I remember correctly.

Now I can`t really think of anything Bush didn`t fuck up,that he had a say in.Not one.

Can you give us good folks some examples of what Bush hasn`t fucked up or degraded,deminished or ruined?

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