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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 2:08:12 AM

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Actually, no chinese characters refer to "slave that likes to be tied up and whipped". All the above suggestions were either leaning towards "servant", or "slave that works in the fields". So, if you are only willing to have one or two characters, be prepared for some misunderstandings.

It would also be better if you could get a fancy calligraphy tattoo instead of just the plain word itself.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 2:09:57 AM

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I don't know anyone who has gotten an oriental symbol tattoo on their lower back/ankle who has not regretted it.

granted, I only know three people who've done this but...still...

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 2:23:52 AM

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i recently begged a permanent mark from my Master, either a tattoo or a brand. the character i want spell 'jii' or said aloud, 'gee'. My reason for wanting this syllable in kanjii is because just a lowercase g is not elegant and i wouldn't be able to explain why i have it without revealing the whole slavery thing -- my first name does not start with g, lol.

i have no idea how to show the symbols on here, but i used three different sources to get it, one human.

BTW He decided to grant my request with a brand (i like that as i can 'see' it with my fingertips) if we can only find someone in PA who does. *sigh*

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 10:04:52 AM

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No they're not. The term that he has for "slave" is EXACTLY the one I explained earlier is a bad choice because it originally means "someone who became a government slave by being convicted of a crime."

Most of these sites belong to people who don't know very much.

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Try this site. His translations are very good.

http://www.chinese-word.com/data2/slave.html

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 10:51:50 AM

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I don't know anyone who has gotten an oriental symbol tattoo on their lower back/ankle who has not regretted it. granted, I only know three people who've done this but...still...

Hello, this slave's name is beth. No regrets on getting this tattoo nearly six years ago; Master has the complimentary one, also shown. http://www.chinese-word.com/data/0026-7.html

In response to L&M's comments; the tattoos are only significant to us and represent meaning important and impacting only us. Should anyone ask, we provide our meaning; however, with the insight you provided, next time we'll include the connection to being a "government slave". Based upon the taxes we pay - it's appropriate.

However, I don't know how much 'truth in advertising' comes into play with tattoos in the first place. When I see an '8 ball' I don't think the person is a refugee from a pool table.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 11:07:10 AM

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"When I see an '8 ball' I don't think the person is a refugee from a pool table. "

Thanks, I needed that laugh.

me either.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 11:31:19 AM

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Then there's no reason to ask anyone for advice.

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In response to L&M's comments; the tattoos are only significant to us and represent meaning important and impacting only us. Should anyone ask, we provide our meaning

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 11:40:57 AM

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erm...i dont think that Merc was asking for advice.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 11:44:37 AM

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My cynical question is why do a tattoo of something written in another language. How sexy would it seem if you were in China to have Slave written on your arm in Chinese? I think the Chinese would see it as pretty ordinary. Disclaimer, I lived 4 years in asia and tend to think in practical ways about such things.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 12:40:53 PM

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The OP was asking for advice. We were all responding to the OP until Merc barged in and declared that the tattoos don't have to mean anything in particular because he gives them their own meaning...or something like that.

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erm...i dont think that Merc was asking for advice.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 1:03:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: variation30
I don't know anyone who has gotten an oriental symbol tattoo on their lower back/ankle who has not regretted it. granted, I only know three people who've done this but...still...

However, I don't know how much 'truth in advertising' comes into play with tattoos in the first place. When I see an '8 ball' I don't think the person is a refugee from a pool table.

(Reply by Merc applying our perspective as a couple.)

LMFAO.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 1:41:42 PM

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Actually the link I gave to the kanji for slave has the meaning "One forced into involentary service, slave." But kanji are different then american words in that they adapt and change meaning slightly depending on the surrounding kanji so that it may have different meanings in different contexts.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 7:42:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The OP was asking for advice. We were all responding to the OP until Merc barged in and declared that the tattoos don't have to mean anything in particular because he gives them their own meaning...or something like that.

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erm...i dont think that Merc was asking for advice.

Gee so sensitive L&M - Forgive me - YOUR's is the 'one true definition'. The website I used or any website, or other reference for that matter should defer to your absolutism and 'one true link'.

Barging on...

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 7:50:39 PM

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I’ve gone back and forth on the idea of getting a tattoo for a long time and believe I’m finally ready. I know that I want the Chinese symbol for slave but I seem to be having a hard time identifying exactly what symbol that is ….

Is there anyone out there that reads/speaks Chinese that can help me out with this? Or anyone that can point me in the direction of an expert? I'd try to share what I have found but evidently you cannot post pictures on the forums so here is the link ..... http://www.chinese-symbols.com/s-chinese-symbol-for-slave Or i have posted the picture in my profile though it may take a few days to get approved.

Thanks for the help!!

Be extremely careful with this. There are plenty of horror stories for people who got a word on them that they thought meant one thing but meant something else or more likely didn't mean quite the same thing. One of my friends tells a story about a guy he saw in an elevator when he was chatting up a Japanese girl. The guy had the kanjii for "strong" on him but my friend noticed it didn't look right (he had spent the summer in Japan with a family there and picked up some of the language) and then the girl started giggling. The guy with the tattoo, a big biker type, got off the elevator and he asked about it suspecting what was up.

It was the word for strong alright but the context was for odor. So basically the guy had "I stink" tattooed on his arm.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 8:38:31 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveforsure

I’ve gone back and forth on the idea of getting a tattoo for a long time and believe I’m finally ready. I know that I want the Chinese symbol for slave but I seem to be having a hard time identifying exactly what symbol that is ….

Is there anyone out there that reads/speaks Chinese that can help me out with this? Or anyone that can point me in the direction of an expert? I'd try to share what I have found but evidently you cannot post pictures on the forums so here is the link ..... http://www.chinese-symbols.com/s-chinese-symbol-for-slave Or i have posted the picture in my profile though it may take a few days to get approved.

Thanks for the help!!

Be extremely careful with this. There are plenty of horror stories for people who got a word on them that they thought meant one thing but meant something else or more likely didn't mean quite the same thing. One of my friends tells a story about a guy he saw in an elevator when he was chatting up a Japanese girl. The guy had the kanjii for "strong" on him but my friend noticed it didn't look right (he had spent the summer in Japan with a family there and picked up some of the language) and then the girl started giggling. The guy with the tattoo, a big biker type, got off the elevator and he asked about it suspecting what was up.

It was the word for strong alright but the context was for odor. So basically the guy had "I stink" tattooed on his arm.

See, that's kind of my point. If you get a word wrong and go to asia, you will get laughed at. Bigger still, even if you get it right, it's ho hum for those who speak the language to see something written on you. Hell, get a picture of something tattooed on you. Disclaimer, no tattoos.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 8:48:10 PM

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Actually kanji is not seen as ho hum even for the chinese. It is calligraphy and depending on what form you get and the quality of the design it is an art form that expresses not only a thought but also a tradition.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 8:48:21 PM

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Come on, Merc. Going to some amateur website for information about Chinese writing is not much better than having a Japanese person visit Engrish.com for information about our language. (Or consulting the famed book "English as She Is Spoke.") Not all sources are equally valid.

(And yes, there is an Engrish.com. It's hilarious.)

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Gee so sensitive L&M - Forgive me - YOUR's is the 'one true definition'. The website I used or any website, or other reference for that matter should defer to your absolutism and 'one true link'.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 9:14:17 PM

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Be extremely careful with this. There are plenty of horror stories for people who got a word on them that they thought meant one thing but meant something else or more likely didn't mean quite the same thing. One of my friends tells a story about a guy he saw in an elevator when he was chatting up a Japanese girl. The guy had the kanjii for "strong" on him but my friend noticed it didn't look right (he had spent the summer in Japan with a family there and picked up some of the language) and then the girl started giggling. The guy with the tattoo, a big biker type, got off the elevator and he asked about it suspecting what was up.

It was the word for strong alright but the context was for odor. So basically the guy had "I stink" tattooed on his arm.

See, that's kind of my point. If you get a word wrong and go to asia, you will get laughed at. Bigger still, even if you get it right, it's ho hum for those who speak the language to see something written on you. Hell, get a picture of something tattooed on you. Disclaimer, no tattoos.

I forgot to add, and it ties in with both our points, that if you want to get the mystique of a foreign language there is nothing wrong with a Romance language and you likely to find a lot more people who can double check your French, Italian or Spanish. I'm partial to Latin myself.

I suspect the appeal of kanji and similar systems is people want something that looks neat and that they have plausible deniability about it's meaning. You can't even Google a "symbol" so the average person can't find out what it means. Tattooing "sex slave" on the small of your back in Spanish is something most people wouldn't do precisly becuase there are people walking around all about them and any one of them could figure it out. Of course this could happen with any Romance language because they have a Latin root, it's close to a borrowed word in English, or because it's spelled in in English letters the curious can run it through a translator. To me, all of these things are good things because it makes you "think" more about what you really want. The upside to this is you can be reasonabley sure about wether it says what you think it should say.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 9:44:14 PM

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Actually kanji is not seen as ho hum even for the chinese. It is calligraphy and depending on what form you get and the quality of the design it is an art form that expresses not only a thought but also a tradition.

I agree calligraphy can beautifully display letters and it can be a tremendous form of art, still it does not mean the actual word the letters form is not important.

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RE: Chinese Symbol for Slave - 11/25/2008 10:03:29 PM

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Of course you can Google words and phrases in Chinese and Japanese. Most Americans just aren't able to understand the results.

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I suspect the appeal of kanji and similar systems is people want something that looks neat and that they have plausible deniability about it's meaning. You can't even Google a "symbol" so the average person can't find out what it means.

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