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for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 7:09:19 AM   
hallieB


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Status: offline 		I read on here daily if your Master or Mistress asked you to do something outrageous would you do it. Things like would a lesbian service a man if her Mistress told her to do so? Would a straight female have sex with another female if her Master wanted her to? etc. I understand a Master or Mistress is supposed to train a sub to make them the best that they can be. Push their limits so they discover things about themselves that they never knew. But my question is what lesson can be learned from having a lesbian service a man or a straight female be with another woman? Sometimes it helps me to understand if I know what the lesson is I am suppose to walk away with. Is it confidence, loyality, or could there be something else?
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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 7:18:34 AM   
SirMIkeSD


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Status: offline 		I personally would not have them do that, but I can see it being something that would please the Master to see or be part of. Not everything is 'training' sometimes it's just something the Master wants.

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 7:25:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hallieB
But my question is what lesson can be learned from having a lesbian service a man or a straight female be with another woman?


you can definitely learn exactly why you're not attracted to them as you find yourself repulsed by each multitude of things you weren't even aware of as being a factor in your distaste =p

my best guess is that there is no lesson, just "them" wanting you to do it out of spite for their own personal/selfish enjoyment.  the concept of becoming the "best" sub/slave is completely subjective and different in every scenario. 

i wouldn't walk into or out of anything expecting it to be a lesson or that you will come out with greater knowledge, let alone for any "reason".  it's most likely not a "lesson", just a "session", and anything you take out of it and/or learn is completely inward in terms of self exploration/realization, something you didn't need "them" for. 

so while lesbians aren't attracted to men, if questioned as to why, they'd probably say "i just don't like them", but after having sex with one, i bet they could and very much so would be willing to go into far greater detail as to why, and there would be plenty of passion in their disdain as they explained it then lol

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 7:30:05 AM   
Lashra


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Status: offline 		Sometimes these things have a lesson and sometimes it is the Owner showing their sub the power that they wield over them. As a slave friend of mine told me once (her words not mine) "Sometimes a Owner has to show their property just how much control they have over them." For her it made her feel all warm and fuzzy when he could force her to do things she did not want to do.

Just my two cents,
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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 7:46:46 AM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Personally your answer will vary upon the individuals. To find out why your master would want you to do a specific thing, you would have to ask him. In addition, it may vary from one situation to the next. Or one slave to another. I've considered taking on two slaves, or even a switchy semi-submissive. Asking one girl to do a specific task could have a very different goal than asking the very same thing of another.

It would be the difference between handing a scrumptous bar of excellent dark chocolate to me and saying "please eat this" versus my giving it to a slave that hated chocolate, to a person that had a mild allergic reaction to chocolate.

I would love it and consider it a gift. The slave that hated chocolate would gag but eat it to please me, the person that had the mild allergic reaction would eat it, knowing she would suffer for me for doing so.

.........sorry, d-i-e-t, chocolate on the mind here......

But it works to explain my point!


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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 8:05:00 AM   
BRNaughtyAngel


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Status: offline 		To add to what the others have said, some things are done to push us out of our comfort zones.  For example, my Master is a big time exhibitionist, but I was always too shy and easily embarassed to engage in such behavior.  The first time He made me go outside His house naked, I was so embarassed (he lives in the country, but does have neighbors across the street who can see any activity in front of His house).  Then we had sex outside and that added to my embarassment.

Next was His first requirement that I go topless at our local BDSM club.  I was mortified, but He was right there with me, firmly and lovingly encouraging me.

I was pushed out of my comfort zone by Him ordering me to do something I would have likely never done on my own, and I'm so very glad He did this.

BUT, I do believe that the dominant should know their submissive really well before they go pushing some buttons, because they could end up causing harm to the individual and/or their relationship in some cases. 


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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 8:23:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would do almost anything for my Master.  As long as it did not break my hard limits and did not cause harm to anyone or anything, i would do what he asked of me.  If he wanted me to service another woman that would not happen, because then it would be a breach of my hard limits.  I have a few other hard limits that was just an example.  He would not ask me to do anything that would harm his property ,so as i said i would do almost anything he asked of me.

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 8:42:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hallieB

I read on here daily if your Master or Mistress asked you to do something outrageous would you do it. Things like would a lesbian service a man if her Mistress told her to do so? Would a straight female have sex with another female if her Master wanted her to? etc. I understand a Master or Mistress is supposed to train a sub to make them the best that they can be. Push their limits so they discover things about themselves that they never knew. But my question is what lesson can be learned from having a lesbian service a man or a straight female be with another woman? Sometimes it helps me to understand if I know what the lesson is I am suppose to walk away with. Is it confidence, loyality, or could there be something else?


It emphasizes who's in control, which can be an incredible turn-on. Doing something you REALLY don't enjoy, just because your dominant requires it of you, can be very humbling.

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 8:50:11 AM   
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...Is it confidence, loyality, or could there be something else?


perhaps it is a lesson in self-less submission to another's desires, regardless of your own comfort level or proclivities.
some dominants are also sadists...and they enjoy observing another struggle with something that other finds personally distasteful.

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 9:15:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hallieB
Sometimes it helps me to understand if I know what the lesson is I am suppose to walk away with. Is it confidence, loyality, or could there be something else?


Obedience.
 
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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 9:17:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I only have one hard limit and thats not to do something that would seriously turn me off to the point that I would possibly walk away from the relationship.

I was at a club the other night and suddenly spotted this Mistress Grub sitting on a thrown. Just for a flickering second I thought about sending my sub over and ask to service her. I ask myself why I thought about that and the answer is clear.... because it would of entertained me but I also know that it would of put serious questions in my subs head about me, so although it may of been fun to watch the humiliation, what I would in fact of been doing is making myself vulnerable to the possibility of losing my sub and I don't want that.

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 9:24:16 AM   
myotherself


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Status: offline 		I have hard limits, and they're there for a reason. I don't have many, but the ones I have are not there to be broken.  I don't share, I don't do bi and I don't switch are the main ones.  Anyone wants to push those particular limits - fine.  But at the end of it (or even part-way through it) I'd be walking away. 

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 9:51:43 AM   
chamberqueen


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Status: offline 		I have been tested in this way to prove my loyalty, my willingness to obey a command that is a huge turn off to me, and to show my trust in my Master.  It has proven that I have turned control of my body over to my Master.  It has made me more dear to him.

I know that this is a difficult thing for many, and it causes some to simply walk away.  In my own experience it ended up making our bond much stronger.  The fear before doing the act was much worse than the act itself, and it has made me a stronger person.


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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 10:03:54 AM   
DVsFox


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Status: offline 		If my Owner were to "test my loyalty" by demanding that I have sex with a man, a woman, or anybody else...then she obviously has a very low opinion of my loyalty to begin with and our relationship has been a sham.

Though, if it was all part of a kink that we enjoyed, then it'd be fine.

Just my two cents,
DV's Fox

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 10:21:17 AM   
DavanKael


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Status: offline 		I thought that Mercnbeth stated things very well. 
Also, pushing boundaries is something that many find helps to grow their relationship.  Additionally, this whole same-sex contact with straight folks is bieng discussed on another thread; a lot of people who say they are straight indulge in and enjoy behaviors that are not and a Master or a Mistress keyed in on that could very well play with that aspect of a person's sexuality. 
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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 10:29:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Personally your answer will vary upon the individuals. To find out why your master would want you to do a specific thing, you would have to ask him. In addition, it may vary from one situation to the next. Or one slave to another. I've considered taking on two slaves, or even a switchy semi-submissive. Asking one girl to do a specific task could have a very different goal than asking the very same thing of another.

It would be the difference between handing a scrumptous bar of excellent dark chocolate to me and saying "please eat this" versus my giving it to a slave that hated chocolate, to a person that had a mild allergic reaction to chocolate.

I would love it and consider it a gift. The slave that hated chocolate would gag but eat it to please me, the person that had the mild allergic reaction would eat it, knowing she would suffer for me for doing so.

.........sorry, d-i-e-t, chocolate on the mind here......

But it works to explain my point!



Ms. Tigresse, I HATE chocolate (as has been well-documented by my posts on these forums) Is there anything I can do to please you?
Anything?

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 10:38:09 AM   
hallieB


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Status: offline 		allthatjaz, I am thankful to see that there are Masters/Mistresses/Dominants what ever the case may be that do consider the consequences of what they may ask their subs to do. I think I am much more eager and willing to serve a Master that cares about what happens to me than one that only wants to be entertained at any cost. I do understand that at times it will be no other reason than for his pleasure only. I want to love my Master to no limits. I want to do anything that pleases him because I know he loves me. I believe I have opened up another can of worms so to speak. Is that wrong of me, does that mean that I am not submissive because I want love in return. Does submission mean to do for one unconditionally even if it means you are just an object but in another sense dont people love their personal property and would do anything to keep it? huh??????

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 11:43:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hallieB

allthatjaz, I am thankful to see that there are Masters/Mistresses/Dominants what ever the case may be that do consider the consequences of what they may ask their subs to do. I think I am much more eager and willing to serve a Master that cares about what happens to me than one that only wants to be entertained at any cost. I do understand that at times it will be no other reason than for his pleasure only. I want to love my Master to no limits. I want to do anything that pleases him because I know he loves me. I believe I have opened up another can of worms so to speak. Is that wrong of me, does that mean that I am not submissive because I want love in return. Does submission mean to do for one unconditionally even if it means you are just an object but in another sense dont people love their personal property and would do anything to keep it? huh??????


This is where entering a relationship where the other person is compatable with you comes in.  Darcy loves me and I wouldn't be in a relationship with him if he didn't.  He tells me and shows me he loves me consistantly and continuously.  But I would still submit to anything he desired.  Now when we were in the beginnings of our relationship, we both discussed the merits of monogamy vs poly.  We are both monogomous so there is no issue there.  He doesn't want me servicing anyone because - in his words - he wants me to himself and this has already been agreed.  You don't submit to someone you do not know well enough.  Well, people do - but that is why relationships falter, fail and people get fucked over.

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 11:56:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hallieB

allthatjaz, I am thankful to see that there are Masters/Mistresses/Dominants what ever the case may be that do consider the consequences of what they may ask their subs to do. I think I am much more eager and willing to serve a Master that cares about what happens to me than one that only wants to be entertained at any cost. I do understand that at times it will be no other reason than for his pleasure only. I want to love my Master to no limits. I want to do anything that pleases him because I know he loves me. I believe I have opened up another can of worms so to speak. Is that wrong of me, does that mean that I am not submissive because I want love in return. Does submission mean to do for one unconditionally even if it means you are just an object but in another sense dont people love their personal property and would do anything to keep it? huh??????


Submission is submitting. Who and what you submit to, why you want to and under what circumstances you do.......are all going to be peculiar to you and whoever you're with.

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RE: for what purpose? - 11/25/2008 3:43:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		In regards to the OP. For me, when my Owner asks me to do something I'm not really that excited about doing or really that in to...or even something that I just flat out don't wanna do...the lesson isn't usually to discover something new and learn to like it. It's not even just to try something new. It's generally a lesson designed to help me put myself aside and please Him. Not because it's something that I want to do and that I like doing, but because it's what HE wants. There have been times He's had me do things that He isn't even really all that in to, except that He wants to push me past my own comfort zone so that I can literally become more HIS. When I think of things in that sort of context, I really enjoy doing things I don't like hehehhe

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