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Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 11:33:33 AM   
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Scary thought:  will war with Iran be the cure for the current economic crisis?


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 11:39:57 AM   
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Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges

Scary thought:  will war with Iran be the cure for the current economic crisis?



That's the thought of a true capitalist.

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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 11:49:52 AM   
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Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges

Scary thought:  will war with Iran be the cure for the current economic crisis?


And who will we send to this war?  With what materiel?  The Army and Marines are thorougly beaten up from the number of deployments, and the materiel's in even worse shape.

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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 11:53:58 AM   
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And who will we send to this war? With what materiel? The Army and Marines are thorougly beaten up from the number of deployments, and the materiel's in even worse shape.

Same people we sent to WWII--the unemployed.  Materiel....a nice popular war would go a long way towards rehabilitating Detroit, don't you think (as well as the Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania and Ohio)?

Wars are great for economic stimulus.  That much is historical fact.


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 1:55:19 PM   
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Wars are great for economic stimulus.  That much is historical fact.


They've worked so well so far, with two ongoing wars bringing us to the heights of economic prosperity we enjoy today!

Sure, the largest economic expansion in our history happened during peacetime, but why let facts interfere with "conventional wisdom"?

If that's true, makes ya wonder how bad things REALLY are without the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld wars propping up the economy!











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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 2:06:31 PM   
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Same people we sent to WWII--the unemployed.  Materiel....a nice popular war would go a long way towards rehabilitating Detroit, don't you think (as well as the Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania and Ohio)?

If you think draftees in WWII were mainly made up of the unemployed your knowledge of history is shocking bad. Put yourself in the shoes of an unemployed person sent to a foreign environment and told to fight in a war they know nothing about, what will your first action be when given the liberty to fight or perhaps you were planning on only sending chain gangs to fight?

WWII people believed in that is why they went and that is why they fought and even some of those ran because the experience was understandably overwhelming. The last thing anyone needs is people with insufficient training and motivation in a war zone.
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Wars are great for economic stimulus.  That much is historical fact.

I love your facts you seem to pull them out of your arse because I can think of more than one war that had the opposite effect. Even more recently there has been the Iraq war and how has that stimulated your economy?


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 2:23:44 PM   
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They've worked so well so far, with two ongoing wars bringing us to the heights of economic prosperity we enjoy today!

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=us&v=67

The financial sector imploded because of its own stupidity, and the housing bubble was a train wreck everyone should have seen coming, but beyond those two negatives, the U.S. economy has posted steady, measurable, growth since 2000.

That WWII ended the Great Depression is historical fact, supported by nearly every economic indicator--unemployment in particular.

That Vietnam overheated the economy, as LBJ monetized the costs thereof (including privatizing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to help pay the piper), is also well documented.

Much of President Reagan's spending went to the defense budget.

Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in large part because he needed to pay and keep busy his large army left over from his indecisive war with Iran.

Adolf Hitler's buildup of the Wehrmacht contributed substantially towards the economic revitalization of Germany after the disaster of the Wiemar Republic.

Japanese expansionism and militarism was a driving force in their economy prior to WWII.

Losing a war is economically disastrous--as Germany and Japan discovered after WWII, but there is no denying that war and the logistics thereof expand a nation's economic output.


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 2:34:33 PM   
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That damn liberal media again, isn't it, just TELLING us we aren't doing well!

OK!!!! Let's invade somebody! Prosperity, here we come!

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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 2:44:50 PM   
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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 3:02:03 PM   
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Wars are great for economic stimulus.  That much is historical fact.


But not so great for those who would die, become disfigured, or find themselves emotionally scarred for life as a result of combat...


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 3:17:27 PM   
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Wars are great for economic stimulus.  That much is historical fact.


But not so great for those who would die, become disfigured, or find themselves emotionally scarred for life as a result of combat...


That is also very true.


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 5:40:02 PM   
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Just out of curiosity, why would be going for Iran before going after North Korea (abusive totalitarian state, nuclear material in hand with a confirmed fizzle), Pakistan (bad civil rights, used to trade nuclear weapons knowledge far and wide, has weapons) - and why didn't we go to war with the Soviet Union , East Germany, or China?

Given our record of invading countries without nuclear weapons, I can see the logic in acquiring them just to keep us out of their hair.  Doesn't mean I approve, but I can see the logic.

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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 5:44:18 PM   
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Just out of curiosity, why would be going for Iran before going after North Korea (abusive totalitarian state, nuclear material in hand with a confirmed fizzle), Pakistan (bad civil rights, used to trade nuclear weapons knowledge far and wide, has weapons) - and why didn't we go to war with the Soviet Union , East Germany, or China?

Why Iran before North Korea?  Good question, although North Korea has enough internal problems (like whether or not Kim Jong-il is even alive), that waiting for them to just fall apart might be the best strategy there.  One thing is certain about Iran--their theocratic government is stable, durable, and set up to be around for the long haul.

As for not going to war with the Soviet Union or China......that's easy.  Too big and too many nukes.


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 5:50:16 PM   
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Fact is, iran hasn't attacked outside its borders since before the USA began, and Ayatollah Khamenai has stated he will never attack another country or use nuclear weapons.

Another fact: Obama has been itching to go to war with iran.  And yet another: the US couldn't afford the other wars with Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  They surely can't afford more wars.

Yet another fact: Peace is good :)

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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 5:59:42 PM   
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Fact is, iran hasn't attacked outside its borders since before the USA began, and Ayatollah Khamenai has stated he will never attack another country or use nuclear weapons.

Conventionally, this is arguably true ("arguably" because there was a lot of finger pointing over who started the Iran-Iraq conflict in the 80s).

However, given the terrorist funding that has flowed out of Tehran since the 80s, I would be considerably more concerned about nuclear weapons in Iranian hands than in Indian or Pakistani hands.


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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 6:14:25 PM   
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Another fact: Obama has been itching to go to war with iran.  And yet another: the US couldn't afford the other wars with Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  They surely can't afford more wars.

Yet another fact: Peace is good :)



why does Obama want to go to war with Iran?

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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 6:50:37 PM   
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They've worked so well so far, with two ongoing wars bringing us to the heights of economic prosperity we enjoy today!

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=us&v=67

The financial sector imploded because of its own stupidity, and the housing bubble was a train wreck everyone should have seen coming, but beyond those two negatives, the U.S. economy has posted steady, measurable, growth since 2000.

That WWII ended the Great Depression is historical fact, supported by nearly every economic indicator--unemployment in particular.

That Vietnam overheated the economy, as LBJ monetized the costs thereof (including privatizing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to help pay the piper), is also well documented.

Much of President Reagan's spending went to the defense budget.

Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in large part because he needed to pay and keep busy his large army left over from his indecisive war with Iran.

Adolf Hitler's buildup of the Wehrmacht contributed substantially towards the economic revitalization of Germany after the disaster of the Wiemar Republic.

Japanese expansionism and militarism was a driving force in their economy prior to WWII.

Losing a war is economically disastrous--as Germany and Japan discovered after WWII, but there is no denying that war and the logistics thereof expand a nation's economic output.

No arguing with facts,though I do have one question.If we grant your assertion that war and the full-blown mobilization that is often required will and can stimulate the economy,could not the same stimulation occur by attending to the appalling state of our nations infrastructue....and avoid the attending bloodletting a war would entail.
PE Obama has stated ,in no uncertain terms,that he adheres to what has been U.S. stated policy...ie: Iran having nukes is a "gamechanger",there are other ways to address this short of war.The carrot and stick approach works best when one keeps his stick in his pocket till no other option is available....amping up an ailing economy would not seem to be a legitimate reason to bleed America of its #1 resource...it's youth.

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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 6:54:43 PM   
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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 6:56:22 PM   
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RE: Iran says it now runs more than 5,000 centrifuges - 11/26/2008 6:57:20 PM   
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