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Musicmystery -> Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 11:39:33 AM)

I mean, virtually everyone knows, all are expert.

Pretty amazing, actually.




awmslave -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 12:43:03 PM)

Most people have some common sense and the basic principles (that are rather trivial) can not be ignored in macroeconomics either (no matter how hard the governments try).




colouredin -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 12:46:35 PM)

Or everyone has an opinion as everyone has on everything.




celticlord2112 -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 12:47:24 PM)

I always figured it was because people like taking the long road to agreeing with me.....




awmslave -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 12:48:48 PM)

One reason for widespread speculative discussions is that the government is not telling the truth about real situation. Also, some government actions seem to be panic-driven and contradictory.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 2:00:22 PM)

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Most people have some common sense


Amazing then that they disagree. Which are the smart ones?




MrRodgers -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 2:42:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

I always figured it was because people like taking the long road to agreeing with me.....

No, it's because the Orwellian school of capitalist culture has finally taken hold. With all of our new meanings to words...everybody becomes the expert.

When people still fear the 'socialism' of an Obama while simlutaneously turning an ignorant, blind eye to the conscriptively (forced) funding of the 'socialism' of wall street and the investor class...one begins to get the message.

The ambiguous debate of idealogy vs pragmatism and the poltical divisions that debate causes has the great working class just where the bankers want them/us...divided. While we debate, the real power goes on either consolidating more or at least influencing control of actual policy...hence these bailouts.

They have families more worried about our work, health and debt future than in eliminating their influence on policy and truly conservative dare I say, truly free market pragmatism. Such policies would have any president in danger of being politically marginized or, if all else fails...dead.




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 4:09:39 PM)

I am the expert on everything. End of discussion. 




DarkSteven -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 4:29:16 PM)

We may not be "experts", but we sure understand the situation better than the government.




MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 4:31:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

We may not be "experts", but we sure understand the situation better than the government.


I agree completely.

Which begs the question:  Why the fetish among so many for centralized planning?




Irishknight -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 4:36:33 PM)

Most Americans realize the simple solution.  We need to stop jobs going away and we need to replace those that have.  More than a few of us have good ideas in relation to both of those things.  Then we elect people who want to "help and protect" everyone in the world but those who elected them.  Why should we expect our elected corporate stooges to fix our economy?




SageFemmexx -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 4:51:32 PM)

I think its about common sense. We the people have it--they the government--don't.




pahunkboy -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 5:02:15 PM)

the problem is that we get happy over the govt wisely moding the society  in an efficient manner.

so we have x amount of widgets, no more, no less.  we can arrange the widgets linear, horizontal, or vertical.

the government proclaims  to have our best interest in their plan.  but as we continue on,  there is yet another string that we must agree to in order to have order.

we forget about earlier strings before ..even a few months prior.

so the awesome widgets  if properly arranged by government, are always with in site, but to far to ascertain in real time.

the entire mode is ...questionable. 

rather then re-arranging existing widgets...  a growing population needs more of these widgets.

despite having teck gains in the past 10 years, culturally we went backwards.     humans are capable of so much more then creating digital currency and making the masses work 3 months a year for the IRS. 

the flaw is that anything that is not monitised- has no value. when in fact- it is those things that are paramount to a civilization.




thishereboi -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 6:10:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

I always figured it was because people like taking the long road to agreeing with me.....


Naw, I just agree with ya 'cause you have celtic in your name and I like your pic.....short little path lol


oh and you make a lot of sense, but that's beside the point.

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Termyn8or -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 7:22:58 PM)

Mus, I understand your statement but can't quite grasp exactly what you're getting at with it. I don't know whether to take it as a complaint or something along those lines, or just as a statement with no implications. It is also possible that you, like me, sometimes will choose words that are not exactly right. One time I was taken as making a threat, and of course I never meant it like that.

At any rate, this is a discussion forum, as such opinions will fly. Being so diverse, that is those of us who participate in this forum more than occasionally, I might even say profusely, each posseses a mind. Each mind has been subjected to a slightly different life experience, which indeed shaped it. When you talk about government, they keep going back to the same type of people for answers, and that ain't us.

However Merc for one worked in some relatively high fallouting stuff at one time, and others have demonstrated knowledge of the economy much greater than mine. Perhaps in an order of magnitude. The more specific information which eludes most, is available to others. When that information is shared, it can become more of a think tank in a way.

For example, people have been shooting down the plan outlined in my thread "How's this for ......." about double taxing imports, but ONLY if a viable US alternative is available. Yes it is a bit socialist in nature, but look around. Well I have skimmed the responses and people are trying to shoot it down. They've not convinced me though. I will be getting back to that soon. I just don't want to jump back in without reading it all. There may be some valid points.

This forum has also given me cause to reconsider a few things. For example abolishing the fed. I see Hunky has started another one, about that. Someone will have to school him I guess, because the main fact is WE CAN'T DO THAT. It is that simple. I would like nothing more than going back to carrying sacks of gold coins off our belts or whatever, but we can't. It simply won't work.

I say right now, we need to think outside the box, but we can't forget about the box because the box is what we are trying to salvage here, if possible. What better way than to use thousands of minds rather than just a few ?

T




variation30 -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 7:59:45 PM)

not everyone has the solution.

most people's propositions would compound the problem.




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 8:00:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: variation30

not everyone has the solution.

most people's propositions would compound the problem.



Shut up.




variation30 -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 8:05:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

Shut up.



that's quite the thoughtful rebuttal.






rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 8:09:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: variation30

quote:

ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

Shut up.



that's quite the thoughtful rebuttal.






Its my feelings towards your endless gibberish.




variation30 -> RE: Why is it everyone knows the solution to economic problems? (11/26/2008 8:15:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

Its my feelings towards your endless gibberish.



since my gibberish is endless, I would have imagined you'd be used to it by now.




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